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EugeneJ posted:When is the best time to do Jericho/Okada, Jericho/Suzuki and Jericho/Tanahashi? Jericho/Okada: I'd say Dominion, it'd just take one Jericho promo after losing to Kenny/Naito of "you stupid idiots I'm gonna beat Okada and win the belt and show you how great I am" to get the program going. Jericho/Tana: prob next year's Wrestle Kingdom tbh, running Okada/Danielson, Kenny/Naito, and Tana/Jericho gives you a solid card to run on top at the dome. Jericho/MiSu: probably never tbh, even if I was wrong that Jericho was just a one off, it doesn't make sense for him to go beyond putting over the four aces. Jericho's absolutely not working a G1 at his age and stature, and as much as it'd be to see him go against YTR and have to drive a decent match out of Fale, it doesn't make any sense to put him through a tour like that. He gets his four match New Japan run, keeps people talking about him, and then he's out before the returns diminish too much, and then he's in the 2019 Rumble and can get set for a Wrestlemania payday after some time away boosting his stock and playing with his band.
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Benne posted:Those cards look really good. Fantasticamania is really fun because you get to see Luchas pulling off sequences that makes the Korakuen crowd lose their absolute minds. It’s a lot of fun to watch, especially after the New Year Dome dramas. I’m honestly not sure what Kenny would have to do to get major time on Japanese TV, but I’m all for it happening. Especially for one of the late-night chat shows which have like 10 panelists, if his Japanese can hang there he’ll be a god.
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Making a high profile but secondary belt for gaijins to fight over seems like a smart way for the promotion to minimise booking hassles and keep the IWGP prestige, when they inevitably take the WWE money bait and lure 12 months later. Omega will win the main belt at some point and the US title is the litmus test for both his loyalty to NJPW and ability to establish the belt's worth. Am I close or way off? Strawberry Panda posted:WHEN!?!?!?! I'd definitely look at a Melbourne roa(nd)d trip to catch one show at least, there's no way my city would be on the schedule. Benne posted:Jay White looks like a guy who has very strong opinions about ethics in game journalism You should watch Wrestle Kingdom 8 while you're back in 2014.
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New Beginning in Sapporo: 2 Rounds of Snow Night One (January 27) Katsuya Kitamura Challenge Series Round 2 Katsuya Kitamura vs. Michael Elgin KUSHIDA, Tiger Mask, Jushin Liger, Satoshi Kojima and Hiroyoshi Tenzan vs.Suzuki Gun (TAKA Michinoku, El Desperado, Taichi, Yoshinobu Kanemaru and Takashi Iizuka) Tomohiro Ishii and Toru Yano vs. Chase Owens and Yujiro Takahashi NEVER Openweight 6 Man Tag Team Championship Bullet Club (Tanga Loa, Tama Tonga and Bad Luck Fale) (c) vs. Togi Makabe, Ryusuke Taguchi and Toa Henare David Finlay, Juice Robinson and Kota Ibushi vs. Bullet Club (Marty Scurll, Hangman Page and Cody) YOSHI-HASHI and Will Ospreay vs. Tetsuya Naito and Hiromu Takahashi CHAOS (Kazuchika Okada, Hirooki Goto and Gedo) vs. Los Ingobernables de Japon (SANADA, EVIL and BUSHI) CHAOS (Jay White, SHO and YOH) vs The Elite (Kenny Omega, Matt Jackson and Nick Jackson) IWGP Intercontinental Championship Hiroshi Tanahashi (c) vs. Minoru Suzuki New Beginning in Sapporo: 2 Rounds of Snow Night Two (January 28) Katsuya Kitamura Challenge Series Round 3 Katsuya Kitamura vs. Juice Robinson Shota Unno*, Ryusuke Taguchi, Tiger Mask and Jushin Liger vs. Suzuki Gun (TAKA Michinoku, El Desperado, Taichi and Yoshinobu Kanemaru) Toru Yano & Tomohiro Ishii vs. Hiku'leo* and Yujiro Takahashi Toa Henare, Satoshi Kojima, Hiroyoshi Tenzan and Togi Makabe vs. Bullet Club (Chase Owens, Tanga Loa, Tama Tonga and Bad Luck Fale) Hiroshi Tanahashi and Michael Elgin vs. Minoru Suzuki and Takashi Iizuka Kota Ibushi, David Finlay and KUSHIDA vs. Bullet Club (Cody, Hangman Page and Marty Scurll) CHAOS (Kazuchika Okada, Hirooki Goto, YOSHI-HASHI, Will Ospreay and Gedo) vs. Los Ingobernables de Japon (SANADA, EVIL, Tetsuya Naito, Hiromu Takahashi and BUSHI) IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship The Young Bucks (c) vs. Roppongi 3K IWGP United States Heavyweight Championship Kenny Omega (c) vs. Jay White Road to New Beginning (February 5) Ryusuke Taguchi, Tiger Mask and Jushin Liger vs. Shota Unno, Tetsuhiro Yagi and Ren Narita Satoshi Kojima and Michael Elgin vs. Yujiro Takahashi and Hiku'leo Katsuya Kitamura Challenge Series Round 4 Katsuya Kitamura vs. Hiroyoshi Tenzan Roppongi 3K (Rocky Romero, SHO and YOH) vs. Suzuki Gun (Taichi, TAKA Michinoku and El Desperado) Toa Henare and Juice Robinson vs. Toru Yano and Tomohiro Ishii Hiroshi Tanahashi, Togi Makabe and KUSHIDA vs. Minoru Suzuki, Takashi Iizuka and Yoshinobu Kanemaru David Finlay vs. Jay White Elimination Tag Match CHAOS (Kazuchika Okada, Hirooki Goto, YOSHI-HASHI, Will Ospreay and Gedo) vs. Los Ingobernables de Japon (SANADA, EVIL, Tetsuya Naito, Hiromu Takahashi and BUSHI) Road to New Beginning (February 6) KUSHIDA, Tiger Mask and Jushin Liger vs. Shota Unno, Ren Narita and Tetsuhiro Yagi Hiroyoshi Tenzan and Michael Elgin vs. Hiku'leo and Yujiro Takahashi Katsuya Kitamura Challenge Series Round 5 Satoshi Kojima vs. Katsuya Kitamura Roppongi 3K (Rocky Romero, SHO and YOH) vs. Suzuki Gun (TAKA Michinoku, Yoshinobu Kanemaru and El Desperado) Toa Henare, Juice Robinson and David Finlay vs. CHAOS (Jay White, Toru Yano and Tomohiro Ishii) Hiroshi Tanahashi, Ryusuke Taguchi and Togi Makabe vs. Suzuki Gun (Minoru Suzuki, Taichi and Takashi Iizuka) CHAOS (YOSHI-HASHI, Gedo and Will Ospreay vs. Los Ingobernables de Japon (Tetsuya Naito, Hiromu Takahashi and BUSHI) IWGP Tag Team Championship Kazuchika Okada and Hirooki Goto vs. EVIL and SANADA (c) New Beginning in Osaka (February 10) Katsuya Kitamura Challenge Series Round 6 Yuji Nagata vs. Katsuya Kitamura Roppongi 3K vs. El Desperado and Yoshinobu Kanemaru Michael Elgin, Juice Robinson and David Finlay vs. CHAOS (Jay White, Toru Yano and Tomohiro Ishii) Hiroshi Tanahashi, Togi Makabe, KUSHIDA and Ryusuke Taguchi vs. Suzuki Gun (Minoru Suzuki, Takashi Iizuka, TAKA Michinoku and Taichi) Gedo vs. BUSHI YOSHI-HASHI vs. Tetsuya Naito IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship Will Ospreay (c) vs. Hiromu Takahashi NEVER Openweight Championship Hirooki Goto (c) vs, EVIL IWGP Heavyweight Championship Kazuchika Okada (c) vs. SANADA *Shota Umino has been renamed Shota Unno and Leo Tonga has been renamed Hiku'leo
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https://twitter.com/destroyalllines/status/950638394597523456  Brisbane
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Goddamn I'm hype AF for all those title matches!
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SalTheBard posted:Goddamn I'm hype AF for all those title matches! They're all great but I'm most excited to see Switchblade and Yano interacting as a team.
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gdi more elgin really i guess this was the company that continued to employ honma, so, whatever when are they doing jericho/naito? sakura genesis? long beach? abraham linksys fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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gently caress yeah more Swole Vampire Kitamura. I've seen him a grand total of once and I already love that man
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Baron Corbyn posted:New Beginning in Sapporo: 2 Rounds of Snow Night One (January 27) i hope this is the one EVOLVING MONSTER!! wins. when is elgin's deal up? aside from being a piece of poo poo, he's also got a thousand yard stare going and has clearly lost a step.
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Foul Fowl posted:i hope this is the one EVOLVING MONSTER!! wins. I think the word was after this tour.
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Hyped! I wonder how much it'll cost. I'll be on a plane to Sydney when they go on sale so may need to get someone to buy it for me.
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 Full Fantasticamania cards: NJPW PRESENTS: CMLL FANTASTICAMANIA 2018 January 19th at 4:30 EST/9:30 GMT Korakuen Hall Fuego vs. Okumura Kojima, Dragon Lee, Star Jr, and Kawato vs. Los Ingobernables (Naito, Rush, Hiromu, and BUSHI) Atlantis, Volador Jr, Mistico, and Drone vs. Ultimo Guerrero, Cavernario, Puma, and Disturbio CMLL World Middleweight Championship:Angel de Oro(c) vs. Cuatrero Mexican National Welterweight Championship:Soberano Jr.(c) vs. Sanson CMLL World Lt. Heavyweight Championship:Niebla Roja(c) vs. Gran Guerrero NJPW PRESENTS: CMLL FANTASTICAMANIA 2018 January 21st at 4:30 EST/9:30 GMT Korakuen Hall Drone and Star Jr. vs. Puma and Disturbio Soberano Jr, Ryusuke Taguchi, and Fuego vs. SHO, YOH, and Okumura Atlantis, Kojima, KUSHIDA, and Kawato vs. Los Ingobernables (Naito, Rush, Hiromu, and BUSHI) CMLL Hermanos Tournament Rd 1:Niebla Roja and Angel de Oro vs. Ultimo Guerrero and Gran Guerrero CMLL Hermanos Tournament Rd 1:Mistico and Dragon Lee vs. Sanson and Cuatrero NWA World Historic Welterweight Championship:Volador Jr.(c) vs. Barbaro Cavernario NJPW PRESENTS: CMLL FANTASTICAMANIA 2018 January 22nd at 4:30 EST/9:30 GMT Korakuen Hall Ryusuke Taguchi and Fuego vs. Puma and Disturbio KUSHIDA, Liger, TMIV, and Star Jr. vs. SHO, YOH, Rocky, and Okumura CMLL Hermanos Tournament 3rd Place Match ?????? vs. ??????? Hirai Kawato Farewell Match:Atlantis and Hirai Kawato vs. Barbaro Cavernario and Gedo Volador Jr, Soberano Jr, and Drone vs. L.I.J (Naito, Hiromu, and BUSHI) Satoshi Kojima vs. Rush CMLL Hermanos tournament Final ?????? vs. ???????
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Kitamura is going to beat Mike Elgin. I feel it in my bones. Also, what's the deal with Henare? Did he get the David Finlay graduation where you don't go on excursion and are completely ignored? It's a bit of a bummer because I had high hopes for him.
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With basically all the top guys except Naito off those cards I realize they may look less compelling than prior years but give them a chance. Many of those CMLL guys are outstanding and if you don't watch CMLL it's a good way to discover them without the elements of CMLL (weird tag rules and bad referees) many find confusing or off putting.
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Barbaro Cavenario teaming with Gedo is the type of weird, dope poo poo that only Fantasticamania can deliver. I hope he gives Barbaro a bandana.
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Charles Gnarwin posted:Kitamura is going to beat Mike Elgin. I feel it in my bones. I think it's safe to say with his mild renaming and gear he isn't going on excursion. Hopefully he avoids Finlay syndrome as he definitely has a higher ceiling than that.
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So why did they go with the old retired guy to win the NJ rumble instead of using it to make a young guy look strong?
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becuase it's not really important and they wanted a feel good moment where they paid tribute to takayama. Suzuki's one of the only guys they have who's a true heel and was set to important match so they couldn't use him.
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Bigass Moth posted:So why did they go with the old retired guy to win the NJ rumble instead of using it to make a young guy look strong?
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sad no chaos or kenny on fantasticamania but it'll still be fun. it's nice to have cmll guys in a watchable format/environment because watching arena mexico to me is like being hit in the head with a squeaky rubber mallet repeatedly. january has to be the best value month of njpw world this year with the new beginning shows not in feb.
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The last week of March through the first week of April is gonna be brutal from a wrestling fan perspective. The New Japan Cup final, the US show, Sakura Genesis and Mania, plus all the Mania week indie stuff, all in a 2 week span...
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27th-28th of this month is gonna be grueling as dave's been moaning about. 27th is the first Sapporo show and NXT Takeover, and the second half of the doubleshot and the Rumble is on the 28th. I've mostly stopped watching wwe but even i'll make exceptions for the top ppvs and takeovers.
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Bigass Moth posted:So why did they go with the old retired guy to win the NJ rumble instead of using it to make a young guy look strong? Also he recently recovered from cancer. It was 100% a feel good moment.
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Same general idea as bringing back Hogan and giving him another title reign in the early 2000's, except, you know, nowhere near as harmful because you aren't putting the old guy over stars in serious matches and building the show around him.
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Bigass Moth posted:So why did they go with the old retired guy to win the NJ rumble instead of using it to make a young guy look strong? The NJ Rumble doesn't mean poo poo & isn't supposed to mean poo poo.
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Elgin's (final?) tour includes working with some of the old NJPW hands. Their input on how he carries himself will be considered if they retain him. So unless he turns in 5 star efforts or becomes expert bag carrier/back shaver, don't expect him after this tour.
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Honestly, asking him to put over Kitamura might be a good call, see how he reacts, if they're just basing it on his professional behaviour and not the personal stuff.
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Thauros posted:27th-28th of this month is gonna be grueling as dave's been moaning about. 27th is the first Sapporo show and NXT Takeover, and the second half of the doubleshot and the Rumble is on the 28th. I've mostly stopped watching wwe but even i'll make exceptions for the top ppvs and takeovers. Imagine if you want to catch all NJPW and WWE programming. 27: New Beginning day 1 + NXT Takeover 28: New Beginning day 2 + Royal Rumble 29: RAW 30: SD Live + 205 Live 31: NXT 
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coconono posted:you could skip the WWE programming and just enjoy good wrestling that isn't intentionally booked to piss you off. That's what all the cool people will do, and also the people who are not cool but who'll still do that like me, but there are 100 % some people out there who'll want to watch all of that. At the very least Dave Meltzer
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extradite THIS! posted:That's what all the cool people will do, and also the people who are not cool but who'll still do that like me, but there are 100 % some people out there who'll want to watch all of that. At the very least Dave Meltzer Dave's not watching 205.
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If anyone finds an early bird link for the AU tour tickets, DM me that poo poo.
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I'm all aboard for the Kitamura challenge tour! This is the most I've seen a young lion featured since I've started watching NJPW so I assume management is high on him too. The tag title one night/singles titles next night is an interesting arrangement I haven't seen them do before. It's fun to see the tag titles at the top of the card but I don't expect it to last. That big multi man elimination match should be great too. I'm wondering if Jericho will beat Naito to set up a title shot. He should be putting over youner guys but that's the only way an Okada match makes sense.
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the funniest thing about kitamura to me is that he does the spear and jackhammer combo
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Bigass Moth posted:So why did they go with the old retired guy to win the NJ rumble instead of using it to make a young guy look strong?
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Kitamura's gonna go to Mexico and do all of the steroids and it's gonna own. God bless the Swole Vampire.
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Benne posted:Kitamura's gonna go to Mexico and do all of the steroids and it's gonna own. God bless the Swole Vampire. This insinuates he hasn’t already done all the steroids
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