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Jazerus posted:iirc the star trek and miscellaneous movie plinkett reviews are better and somewhat less offensive than the star wars ones Yeah it's easy to dunk on the prequels, but I think Mike's true passion is trek and you can tell how sad he is that the TNG movies range from mediocre to trash. I'd say nemesis is worse than the prequels.
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah it's easy to dunk on the prequels, but I think Mike's true passion is trek and you can tell how sad he is that the TNG movies range from mediocre to trash. I'd say nemesis is worse than the prequels. It's Insurrection for me. And it's not that Insurrection is HORRIBLE. It just really feels like an extended, and overbudgeted episode outside of that dumb dune buggy scene. I also can never rewatch it because I was watching it when we got the phone call about my grandfather passing.
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Mokinokaro posted:It's Insurrection for me. Also, I totally get not wanting to watch a serial killer review movies and be terrible about women, but portrayal isn't condoning. Mr. Plinkett is not a hero. He's the villain of those reviews. It's like watching Silence of the Lambs and thinking it approves of eating people. That being said, no narrative project RLM has ever produced has ever featured a woman with a job outside of sex work, so... yeah. Big fan, but they've got problems. They weirdly poo poo on labor unions sometimes, for instance.
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah it's easy to dunk on the prequels, but I think Mike's true passion is trek and you can tell how sad he is that the TNG movies range from mediocre to trash. I'd say nemesis is worse than the prequels. Nemesis is easily worse than any of the prequels. John Logan makes George Lucas look like a goddamn writing genius, and Stuart Baird makes George Lucas look like a goddamn directing genius. I swear that movie would make a hell of a lot more sense if Logan admitted he was deliberately trying to troll Trek fans with that movie. It is aggressively stupid.
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I never really cared much about Plinkett's Trek reviews, it just feels like half an hour of Mike pointing out extremely minor details that ARE WRONG. They never go into full in depth analysis mode like the Star Wars reviews. Anyway, to me RLM means Best of the Worst mostly. I watch Half in the Bag only when it's about a movie i care so i can see what these hack frauds are saying. Cingulate posted:I literally joined SA cause supermechagodzilla is awesome Christ almighty. Frionnel fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Jan 11, 2018 |
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The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > The TV IV > The Orville: RedLetter Media Gen-ChatFrionnel posted:... I'm pretty much the same with RLM. I like The Nerd Crew (when it doesn't make me painfully reflect on my own failings as a podcaster.)
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Frionnel posted:I never really cared much about Plinkett's Trek reviews, it just feels like half an hour of Mike pointing out extremely minor details that ARE WRONG. They never go into full in depth analysis mode like the Star Wars reviews. i will never not laugh at picard casually throwing his prized, irreplaceable ancient pottery around the wreck of his office like it's nothing interesting
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Jazerus posted:i will never not laugh at picard casually throwing his prized, irreplaceable ancient pottery around the wreck of his office like it's nothing interesting it's all replicated copies, you don't keep the originals next to a distressingly unstable atomic bomb
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Baronjutter posted:It's really weird to sit down and try to explain or deconstruct why something tickles your funny bone, but Orville is between series so gently caress it. I'm also not saying "I can understand how terrible people might like it". I can't understand how anyone might like it. I totally get the Voyager/Janeway mom line. It's a very typically human explanation for why someone might like something. It won't convince anyone else, but it's not puzzling either. Ok, question. What's the point of listening to nerds explain to you why something you've both seen is bad (or perhaps even good)? I like SMG because while I almost never agree with them, it's almost always an angle I've never heard of before. Most movie critics you'd read to decide if you want to see the film. What's the role of RLM? Is it that they're enjoyable in themselves? How enjoyable is it to, compared, The Orville itself? Does it enrichen your experience of The Orville?
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Cingulate posted:No, and the more I learn about RLM, the less I understand how anyone might enjoy it. I didn't know about the bones/chained-up women gag, and it seems painfully unfunny. (I'm not making a moral claim. I'm saying, it's not in the least funny.) 
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Sometimes the GoonMind (which totally doesn't exist, is a hoax, etc,) gravitates towards some stuff, eh guys? What I'm saying is, take a nap. We won't put the brain worm in while you sleep, promise.
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:What I'm saying is, take a nap. We won't put the brain worm in while you sleep, promise. We seek cuddly coexistance. 
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Cingulate posted:What's the role of RLM?
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My problems with nemesis are that they killed off data so that he could "age" even though they already showed that he could in all good things. The dune buggy scene. And the manual control Gravis flight stick because why. I did like them trying to expand on the Romulans beyond backstabbing villains.
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Jazerus posted:i will never not laugh at picard casually throwing his prized, irreplaceable ancient pottery around the wreck of his office like it's nothing interesting Oh yeah, i won't deny some parts of them are very funny 
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Kurieg posted:And the manual control Gravis flight stick because why. That's Insurrection. The two movies are so offensively bland, they're merging in everybody's brains!
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Jan 11, 2018 16:19
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If you're going to kill of Data just loving do it The worst crime of all is not calling back to Pop Goes the Weasel if they were doing a Data's Katra is-it-or-isn't-it bit
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Maera Sior posted:As someone who enjoyed all of the Plinkett reviews, they're very good at pointing out what is exactly wrong with the films they're covering, both from a nitpicky standpoint ("Why did X say Y?") and from a storytelling/directorial standpoint (their Episode III review will always be the best for me). They're very good at using the source material to back up what they're saying instead of making blanket statements and hoping you agree.
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Cingulate posted:My question was, what does that do that for you? Why is that a role that needs to be fulfilled/that you enjoy seeing fulfilled? Same thing any good reviewer does? Expresses ideas and insights about a subject I might not think of or fully realize myself. I knew I didn't like the prequels going into the Plinkette reviews. But they did a good job clarifying why.
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I just enjoy RLM for the best of the worst/wheel of the worst type stuff. Its charmingly unpretentious like I'm just seeing some friends laughing and picking at bad movies. I don't know how I can explain humor other than saying watching Rich try to explain the plot of a horrible movie never fails to make me smile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KolenE1GCyg or listening to them describe the stupid wookipedia info on darth vader's suit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo I can't speak to the Plinket stuff since I've never really watched that but, they're just kinda shlubby sarcastic people talking stuff in a humorous way  .
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Cingulate posted:I like SMG because while I almost never agree with them, it's almost always an angle I've never heard of before. Most movie critics you'd read to decide if you want to see the film. What's the role of RLM? Is it that they're enjoyable in themselves? How enjoyable is it to, compared, The Orville itself? Does it enrichen your experience of The Orville?
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Cingulate posted:My question was, what does that do that for you? Why is that a role that needs to be fulfilled/that you enjoy seeing fulfilled? In the world of movie reviews there's a ton of subjectivity, so by finding reviewers who have similar tastes as your self you have a better chance at learning if it's a movie you might enjoy seeing or best steer clear of. There's conservative christian movie reviewers who other christian conservatives watch to get that sort of perspective on movies and warn people of potential spiritual hazards in the movie, maybe liberal Hollywood rated this movie G but did you know it encourages paganism, magic, and disobedience of ones parents? There's feminist movie review sites that look at media through that lens, and so on and so on for all sorts of different artistic, political, or demographic lenses. Most people want to find a source that matches their own tastes so the reviews are relevant to them, they just want to learn if the movie is good or bad or worth their time/money to see. Or they want someone they see as a peer telling them their opinions on the movie were in fact correct and good, and putting their general gut reactions to the movie into better words and explaining why they probably felt how they did. Like maybe you went to a movie a lot of your friends and critics said is great, but you hated it and aren't 100% sure why. You then find a review that manages to perfectly explain your feelings and now you've learned why a bunch of scenes bothered you so much and why you found the ending so unsatisfying while other's didn't. You've found someone who has similar reactions to movies as your self, but understands film much better so can explain the "why" in ways you might not have thought. The RLM guys often do this for me, and even if we had very different takes on a movie I'm understanding why people who aren't totally alien to me might have liked/disliked something. I'm not going to get anything relevant or even entertaining from a hyper-christian movie reviewer other than maybe a chuckle at "lol crazy people who think finding dory is satanist brainwashing" or what ever, and I feel much the same way reading SMG's zizekian nose scratchings. It might be funny to laugh at how I think the person's though-process about movies is absolutely insane but it's not something I'm going to seek out because their perspectives and tastes are so unlike my own. When looking for movie reviews I'm looking for: people with similar tastes as my self, people who aren't paid shills, people who's screen presence or writing style I find enjoyable. For me, personally, RLM has been the best match so far. I understand if someone doesn't like them because they don't at all agree with their opinions or way of looking at movies, or find their personalities repulsive, or hate the little skits they do, that's 100% understandable for me as I'm not a robot.
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Baronjutter posted:In the world of movie reviews there's a ton of subjectivity, so by finding reviewers who have similar tastes as your self you have a better chance at learning if it's a movie you might enjoy seeing or best steer clear of. There's conservative christian movie reviewers who other christian conservatives watch to get that sort of perspective on movies and warn people of potential spiritual hazards in the movie, maybe liberal Hollywood rated this movie G but did you know it encourages paganism, magic, and disobedience of ones parents? There's feminist movie review sites that look at media through that lens, and so on and so on for all sorts of different artistic, political, or demographic lenses. Most people want to find a source that matches their own tastes so the reviews are relevant to them, they just want to learn if the movie is good or bad or worth their time/money to see. Or they want someone they see as a peer telling them their opinions on the movie were in fact correct and good, and putting their general gut reactions to the movie into better words and explaining why they probably felt how they did. Or sometimes the opposite is true. I often like reading perspectives that are completely different from mine, because sometimes they point out new layers to the subject that I can better appreciate.
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Actually there are very few things on the internet more entertaining than reading movie reviews by religious nutjobs. You can just picture the mouth frothing.
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Cingulate posted:No, and the more I learn about RLM, the less I understand how anyone might enjoy it. I didn't know about the bones/chained-up women gag, and it seems painfully unfunny. (I'm not making a moral claim. I'm saying, it's not in the least funny.) Is there a level 2 version of  ?
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eth0.n posted:Same thing any good reviewer does? Expresses ideas and insights about a subject I might not think of or fully realize myself. I knew I didn't like the prequels going into the Plinkette reviews. But they did a good job clarifying why. There's also a post-movie review reading where your entire perspective shifts. But this does not seem to be the same thing either, as it doesn't depend on long lists of details and wookipedia. Baronjutter posted:In the world of movie reviews there's a ton of subjectivity, so by finding reviewers who have similar tastes as your self you have a better chance at learning if it's a movie you might enjoy seeing or best steer clear of. There's conservative christian movie reviewers who other christian conservatives watch to get that sort of perspective on movies and warn people of potential spiritual hazards in the movie, maybe liberal Hollywood rated this movie G but did you know it encourages paganism, magic, and disobedience of ones parents? There's feminist movie review sites that look at media through that lens, and so on and so on for all sorts of different artistic, political, or demographic lenses. Most people want to find a source that matches their own tastes so the reviews are relevant to them, they just want to learn if the movie is good or bad or worth their time/money to see. Or they want someone they see as a peer telling them their opinions on the movie were in fact correct and good, and putting their general gut reactions to the movie into better words and explaining why they probably felt how they did. Here, I get everything you're saying and it makes sense and is very interesting, and then you say you find RLM's style "enjoyable", and, yeah, I'm lost again. And the more nice and gentle explanations you're writing, the worse it gets, because it widens the gap between where I'm with you (everything you're saying outside of your enjoyment of RLM), and your enjoyment of RLM. I don't know if this is a great success of communication, or a great failure. Either way, have you considered becoming a kindergarten/pre/middle school teacher? Cause if you have that kind of patience explaining things IRL, you could be a true boon upon babykind.
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I can't stand watching videos of idiot nerds reviewing things most of the time since unlike a forum like this there's no way to participate in the discussion, and gently caress that
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the plinkett reviews have a good sense of comedic timing if you skip the edgy nonsense and do a good job of tying together details, backed up directly by the footage being shown, to explain why movies like the star wars prequels are less than the sum of their parts. there's more to say about why a movie is bad than a viewer can always fully articulate to themselves; it's like the difference between knowing the earth orbits the sun and understanding orbital mechanics, except much goonier the other rlm content is definitely not that, and I too struggle to understand its appeal
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Tighclops posted:I can't stand watching videos of idiot nerds reviewing things most of the time since unlike a forum like this there's no way to participate in the discussion, and gently caress that Cingulate posted:Here, I get everything you're saying and it makes sense and is very interesting, and then you say you find RLM's style "enjoyable", and, yeah, I'm lost again.
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The Plinkett reviews have more incommon with literary analysis than regular reviews, which is why you'd generally watch them after having seen the movie. But there's more to it than that, I watched and enjoyed them without having seen more than 1/3rd of the first prequel and I find the original movies so utterly boring I've never sat through one in a single sitting. The people of RLM are just good at being relatable to me, and I enjoy almost everything they do.
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Maybe you guys could talk about Red Letter Media in one of the Red Letter Media threads, instead of, you know the Orville thread
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Cingulate posted:My point is, from what I've gathered, people watch RLM after already having seen Star Wars 500 times. Then, the RLM people explain to them various details about the thing they've already seen 500 times. To the extent I've gotten that right, that's rather different from most reviews. Just because I've watched a movie or TV show doesn't mean I've picked up on everything a reviewer does. I can't always put my feelings into words as well as a reviewer can, or pinpoint root causes of various feelings, or imagine how it could have been better as well as they can. For example, I came out of Episode 1 disappointed. I probably felt like the characters weren't good in a general "blah" sense, but the first part of Plinkett's review does a much better job of explaining why they suck, and fall short of the OT characters. quote:There's also a post-movie review reading where your entire perspective shifts. But this does not seem to be the same thing either, as it doesn't depend on long lists of details and wookipedia. To me, this is a weird CineD thing, and I don't see it anywhere else. I find these "readings" overwrought BS, and why I got tired of trying to read those threads pretty quick. I've never read a review that actually changed how much I enjoyed a piece of entertainment. In much the same way that I doubt an explanation of a joke has ever made it funny for anyone who didn't get it initially. My interest in a review is either to set expectations for something I haven't seen yet (most mainstream movie reviews), or to help crystallize and understand how I've already reacted (e.g., Plinkett, and most TV reviews). And I read/view a lot more of the latter than the former; word-of-mouth is more what I rely on to decide whether to watch something (if it isn't an auto-watch like MCU or SW).
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Kurieg posted:My problems with nemesis are that they killed off data so that he could "age" even though they already showed that he could in all good things. The dune buggy scene. And the manual control Gravis flight stick because why. Personally, I envisioned the cast reading the script for Nemesis, then drawing straws to see who gets to die at the end, and Spiner wins.
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Jazerus posted:the plinkett reviews have a good sense of comedic timing if you skip the edgy nonsense and do a good job of tying together details, backed up directly by the footage being shown, to explain why movies like the star wars prequels are less than the sum of their parts. there's more to say about why a movie is bad than a viewer can always fully articulate to themselves; it's like the difference between knowing the earth orbits the sun and understanding orbital mechanics, except much goonier This is the Correct Opinion.
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I was working at Games Workshop when the Phantom Menace review came out and the first customer I had that day came in and said "Hey have you heard of this thing called Red Letter media? They do a really good review of why EPisode 1 is terrible, also the guy who does it kills women and thats hilarious" and I instantly was turned off forever of them. The fact they thought this was the best character to do their reviews with says a huge amount about these guys. This is what Hiatus's do to us!!!
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twistedmentat posted:I was working at Games Workshop when the Phantom Menace review came out and the first customer I had that day came in and said "Hey have you heard of this thing called Red Letter media? They do a really good review of why EPisode 1 is terrible, also the guy who does it kills women and thats hilarious" and I instantly was turned off forever of them. The fact they thought this was the best character to do their reviews with says a huge amount about these guys. I hate jokes also.
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twistedmentat posted:I was working at Games Workshop when the Phantom Menace review came out and the first customer I had that day came in and said "Hey have you heard of this thing called Red Letter media? They do a really good review of why EPisode 1 is terrible, also the guy who does it kills women and thats hilarious" and I instantly was turned off forever of them. The fact they thought this was the best character to do their reviews with says a huge amount about these guys. Have you watched it though? I mean, I get why you might find it offensice if you only know it from some guy saying "killing women is hilarious", but it's really not like that.
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twistedmentat posted:I was working at Games Workshop when the Phantom Menace review came out and the first customer I had that day came in and said "Hey have you heard of this thing called Red Letter media? They do a really good review of why EPisode 1 is terrible, also the guy who does it kills women and thats hilarious" and I instantly was turned off forever of them. The fact they thought this was the best character to do their reviews with says a huge amount about these guys.  you worked at Games Workshop
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Measly Twerp posted:Have you watched it though? I mean, I get why you might find it offensice if you only know it from some guy saying "killing women is hilarious", but it's really not like that. Why bother? The subject matter is not compelling and the framing device is repugnant. I don't need to watch long rear end videos to know the prequels were bad. I have seen some of their normal stuff, and they come off little better than CinemaSins, and the derisive way they said "Disney Star Wars" turns me off even more. Like watch and enjoy whatever you want, but don't come to me and get salty when I don't think it sounds like the greatest thing ever.
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