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HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


As a fellow chicken poo poo non overclocker, I suggest only doing that with enough cash to replace it. Overclocking is scary stuff.

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Gobblecoque
Sep 6, 2011

Mans posted:

Do they expect anyone to buy the mini Attila new game they're going to release after showing off this incredible teaser? :iiam:

It was just a cutscene and doesn't show off any gameplay so I don't really get what's incredible about it. The teaser doesn't really tell us anything other than the setting and lord knows Total War has definitely made lovely games in potentially awesome settings.

plehsistential
Jan 29, 2012

death to all avatar havers
gonna need a modpack at launch to replace and add in hero models for everyone from dynasty warriors 3 up

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

I play on a laptop with most texture stuff on ultra and most lighting effects on medium and get like 50 fps and it still looks p drat good. I turn off sharpening and the low number of antialiasing passes don't matter that much.

Caveat: I'm getting older and don't wear my contacts for prolonged computer use and my eyes aren't really good enough to get the benefit of the post-process sharpening.

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013
Back to three kingdoms chat: If this game doesn't have the yellow turban rebellion as playable with the leaders being represented as lightning-throwing crazy taoist wizards I will be quite sad.

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

NewMars posted:

Back to three kingdoms chat: If this game doesn't have the yellow turban rebellion as playable with the leaders being represented as lightning-throwing crazy taoist wizards I will be quite sad.

Only if every time they do it, a big text popup appears that says "100% historically accurate"

Billzasilver
Nov 8, 2016

I lift my drink and sing a song

for who knows if life is short or long?


Man's life is like the morning dew

past days many, future days few

Zhuge liang with a 100% chance to control the weather.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


NewMars posted:

Back to three kingdoms chat: If this game doesn't have the yellow turban rebellion as playable with the leaders being represented as lightning-throwing crazy taoist wizards I will be quite sad.

I'd rather they did it properly as an expansion, a la FotS or rather more like RotS. Maybe they'll do way more Caesar in Gaul style focussed campaigns, which would be cool.

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

I'm not super keyed up on Chinese history. Should look into this stuff more I think. Is the obviously evil fat guy supposed to be anyone in particular?

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Dong Zhuo, notorious usurper.

Burned down the capital city when it became clear he could not hold it.

Murdered by his adopted son and chief general, Lu Bu.

The history of this period is out of control.

Roobanguy
May 31, 2011

can i trick my enemies into treating with me until the sun is in their eyes and then skip back to my men while laughing???

also i hope all the "good" guys are like pure jade. with absolutely ridiculous ear lobes.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!

Arglebargle III posted:

Dong Zhuo, notorious usurper.

Burned down the capital city when it became clear he could not hold it.

Murdered by his adopted son and chief general, Lu Bu.

The history of this period is out of control.

Sounds good, I’m in. Was hoping for a Victoria-esque game but I ain’t even gonna pretend that I won’t buy the shot out of these TW games.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
If Three Kingdoms is good I hope they make an Iliad game. I want to smash up bronze age spear men with Ajax.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Just for future reference, the zh sound in Chinese is closest to an English j sound, but pronounced a little further back on the palate.

Modern Chinese has a very restrictive syllable construction system with only about 400 possible syllables. (This is why tones are necessary.)

Here's a handy multimedia pronunciation guide for all possible syllables in Mandarin Chinese:

https://chinese.yabla.com/chinese-pinyin-chart.php

shalcar
Oct 21, 2009

At my signal, DEAL WITH IT.
Taco Defender
This looks pretty damned amazing, the setting really has potential to make an incredible Total War game and it will be interesting to see what they do with hero units and the general system. Either the composers have stepped their game up or Jeff van Dyck is back because that was a seriously good track on the trailer.

Funky Valentine posted:

Total War Megathread 2 - Do Not Cycle Charge Lu Bu

What the hell, the thread needs a new title anyway and this is pretty great. Any idea who the current mod of Games is so I can get it changed?

Reiterpallasch
Nov 3, 2010



Fun Shoe

Arglebargle III posted:

Dong Zhuo, notorious usurper.

Burned down the capital city when it became clear he could not hold it.

Murdered by his adopted son and chief general, Lu Bu.

The history of this period is out of control.

an goddamn primary source posted:

Gan Ning would kill for pleasure, and he gave outlaws refuge and lodging in his offices. Whenever he went in or out, if he was on land there were horsemen and chariots drawn up in array, and if he travelled by water there were lines of small craft, all with followers in embroidered clothing. Wherever he halted he used a silken rope to moor the boat, and when he moved on again he cut the rope and left it, to show how little he cared

the same, actual, primary source posted:

Pan Zhang was a rough, fierce man, whose orders were always respected. He loved to play a fine part, but he began as an impoverished drunkard: when creditors came to his gate he simply assured them that one day he would be wealthy and powerful, and he would repay them then. Later, when he held command, he would steal for the benefit of his men and on his own account, and if one of his officers or soldiers happened to be well off, he would sometime skill him and take his property

hell yeah posted:

Zhu Huan, as general of Wu on campaign against Wei, quarrelled bitterly with his commander-in-chief, killed numbers of his attendants, and then "pretended he was insane" and left the army. Sun Quan, however, soothed him down, treated him with honour, and returned him to the front with a largely independent command. Zhu Huan remarked that now he had the opportunity to return to active service, his ailment would cure itself.

the historical three kingdoms owned just as much as the folklore version

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME

turn off the TV posted:

An excerpt from Kerbal Space Program's reviews, on the day when it had a 57% rating instead of the normal 96%, dealing with a controversy over a quote on the side of a spacecraft found only in the background of the main menu:


Originally it was a pun of some sort referencing a Chinese proverb. The developers changed it to not be referencing a Chinese proverb when someone complained to them about it, which made other people Very Angry.

In english the text says "mun or bust."

I don't understand this at all. Who did what and why did it anger different subsections of Chinese gamers?

EDIT: I don't play KSP so I have 0 context

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









shalcar posted:

This looks pretty damned amazing, the setting really has potential to make an incredible Total War game and it will be interesting to see what they do with hero units and the general system. Either the composers have stepped their game up or Jeff van Dyck is back because that was a seriously good track on the trailer.


What the hell, the thread needs a new title anyway and this is pretty great. Any idea who the current mod of Games is so I can get it changed?

that's p lol, I've pm'd Videogames to ask him if he can change it.

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003
The system works! :D

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
Lu Bu will be Cycle Charging YOU. Those distinctive head feathers mark him out as a cavalry captain.

Blooming Brilliant
Jul 12, 2010

For anyone who wants to brush up on the setting, I'd recommend the Three Kingdoms 2010 TV series. You can find them most of them if not all on Youtube with subtitles.

shalcar
Oct 21, 2009

At my signal, DEAL WITH IT.
Taco Defender

VideoGames posted:

The system works! :D

Thanks Videogames! The system really does work =D

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

shalcar posted:

This looks pretty damned amazing, the setting really has potential to make an incredible Total War game and it will be interesting to see what they do with hero units and the general system. Either the composers have stepped their game up or Jeff van Dyck is back because that was a seriously good track on the trailer.

Warhammer 2's music is very good too - distinctive and also extremely Howard-Shore-Lord-of-the-Rings-score in a good way.

New Butt Order
Jun 20, 2017

Third World Reggin posted:

I like that total war warhammer has been a test bed for ideas for the historical series.

poo poo I hope will be carried over.

Heroes (warhammer)
Food system (skaven warhammer)
Political partys (rome 2)
Loyalty (skaven and dark elf warhammer and rome2)
Turns being seasonal

I would loving love to see someone raid your farm province, gently caress over your storages, cause a dip in loyalty in your armies, and having one rebel against you.

Every Total War Campaign is just the beta for the next Campaign. The new features of the last one are refined and polished into the next. It's why you still find references to Shogun 2 in the data files of the Warhammer games.

Speaking of which, I really hope they go back to the Shogun 2 style loyalty system where a disloyal general will defect to another faction rather than just becoming their own.

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

John Charity Spring posted:

Warhammer 2's music is very good too - distinctive and also extremely Howard-Shore-Lord-of-the-Rings-score in a good way.

The Elves have music like this, sure, but the Skaven have like weird throat singing and horror music, while the Lizardmen tracks sound straight out of the Fallout 1 and 2 OST's at times. The variety and quality of all of the music in WH2 is one of my favorite parts of the game.

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE
Oh yeah for sure. I quite liked the Warhammer 1 music too but WH2's is definitely more memorable and distinctive on the whole.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Deltasquid posted:

I don't understand this at all. Who did what and why did it anger different subsections of Chinese gamers?

EDIT: I don't play KSP so I have 0 context

https://steamed.kotaku.com/kerbal-space-program-review-bombed-over-controversial-c-1819417868

It is seriously a storm in a teacup. 479 chinese misogynists/maoists exist therefore china bad I guess

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Fangz posted:

https://steamed.kotaku.com/kerbal-space-program-review-bombed-over-controversial-c-1819417868

It is seriously a storm in a teacup. 479 chinese misogynists/maoists exist therefore china bad I guess

I don't think that anyone is calling China bad, it's more that there is a population of Chinese Steam users who have extremely unreasonable expectations about the familiarity that foreign developers have with the Chinese language and Chinese gaming community. Like, the KSP devs are Mexican. I can almost guarantee you that they a) did not know that the original translation was a reference to anything and b) did not know that the person who suggested the change was infamous in other Chinese online forums.

If people got mad about Kerbal Space Program, I can only imagine the reaction that China's version of Total War Center is going to have about the historical accuracy of wheelbarrows.

Rookersh posted:

I'm using a i5 3570k ( at 3.40.. ) and a 970 and I run both WH1 and WH2 at a 60 fps with light dips into mid 50s.

I literally just went to double check after this post because I knew my game was smoother then that. WH1 is smooth 60 during my turn, no dips. During AI turn it sits around 30. I started as Bretonnia in both games so I could do a quick 20 v 20 battle at Grunt Zint and in both battles my fps never dropped below 55.

In WH2 at launch my game ran like rear end on the campaign map ( guessing 30 tops ), but would hop back up to 50-60ish during battles. Now that I installed the latest drivers it's also a smooth 60.

I should have clarified, the benchmarks I was looking at were on very high. That said, I don't know how you're getting that good of FPS, neither my GPU or CPU max out in WH2 on very high unit sizes and I still drop to around 20 FPS in bigger battles, which I assumed was just a limitation of the i5.

turn off the TV fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Jan 11, 2018

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Is it worth reading an English translation of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms? If so, what would be the best one?

ninjahedgehog
Feb 17, 2011

It's time to kick the tires and light the fires, Big Bird.


Cao Cao did nothing wrong. Wei for life.

Unrelated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeSMpetv34M

ninjahedgehog fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Jan 11, 2018

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

ZearothK posted:

Is it worth reading an English translation of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms? If so, what would be the best one?

It's like reading Chinese Shakespeare if Shakespeare wrote an epic rather than plays that focused more on the war aspect than actual drama (imagine MacBeth engaged in a debate about whether to besiege a suspiciously empty city between a bunch of generals and a strategist rather than thinking about/eventually killing King Duncan).

Zhuge Liang hype though

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Stay Safe posted:

It's like reading Chinese Shakespeare if Shakespeare wrote an epic rather than plays that focused more on the war aspect than actual drama (imagine MacBeth engaged in a debate about whether to besiege a suspiciously empty city between a bunch of generals and a strategist rather than thinking about/eventually killing King Duncan).

Zhuge Liang hype though

so it's like LoGH but in china

Stay Safe
Sep 1, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

turn off the TV posted:

so it's like LoGH but in china

yeah just imagine this dialogue but for 120 chapters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZBl2PXhMXs

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

turn off the TV posted:

I don't think that anyone is calling China bad, it's more that there is a population of Chinese Steam users who have extremely unreasonable expectations about the familiarity that foreign developers have with the Chinese language and Chinese gaming community. Like, the KSP devs are Mexican. I can almost guarantee you that they a) did not know that the original translation was a reference to anything and b) did not know that the person who suggested the change was infamous in other Chinese online forums.

If people got mad about Kerbal Space Program, I can only imagine the reaction that China's version of Total War Center is going to have about the historical accuracy of wheelbarrows.


I should have clarified, the benchmarks I was looking at were on very high. That said, I don't know how you're getting that good of FPS, neither my GPU or CPU max out in WH2 on very high unit sizes and I still drop to around 20 FPS in bigger battles, which I assumed was just a limitation of the i5.

You might be new to the internet, but people get mad about EVERYTHING. A small and insignificant brouhahaha about KSP pales relative to the rage CA has already seen in recent times.

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Stay Safe posted:

yeah just imagine this dialogue but for 120 chapters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZBl2PXhMXs

This is what LoGH is except for 120 episodes.

Fangz posted:

You might be new to the internet, but people get mad about EVERYTHING. A small and insignificant brouhahaha about KSP pales relative to the rage CA has already seen in recent times.

So uhh you agree with me?

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

turn off the TV posted:

I don't think that anyone is calling China bad,

As someone who reads the china gbs thread full of people who live in china, I will call china bad.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






turn off the TV posted:

there is a population of Chinese Steam users who have extremely unreasonable expectations about the familiarity that foreign developers have with the Chinese language and Chinese gaming community.

Chinese players loved Oriental Empires though.

This is just a big important country thing. Chinese people are used to getting their own way and having foreigners accommodate them now the way that Anglo-Americans have done for the past couple of centuries or so. The market’s big enough that it’s worth people’s while to localise properly. No-one bats an eyelid at expecting games to be translated into English.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

Third World Reggin posted:

As someone who reads the china gbs thread full of people who live in china, I will call china bad.

What treachery is this!!!!

DKD
Dec 25, 2011

ZearothK posted:

Is it worth reading an English translation of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms? If so, what would be the best one?

Robert Moss' seems to be the best translation, but it can still be quite a task. Everyone has at last two names, and the one they use most is not the one you know from Dynasty Warriors - he's Kongming or Master Sleeping Dragon, not Zhuge Liang; Zhao Yun is usually Zhao Zilong; and the three brothers are often (but not always) called Xuande, Yunchang, and Yide, instead of Liu Bei, Guan Yu (or Lord Guan), and Zhang Fei. I enjoyed reading it (though it was the abridged version), but do keep a cheat sheet handy.

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my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous

turn off the TV posted:

so it's like LoGH but in china

To be more specific, LoGH is not shy about basically being Romance of the Three Kingdoms plus Napoleonic Wars in space with more Germans.

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