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Did a quick read of IS, and one thing that stands out as weird to me is that he voted AA twice in a row yesterday. Day two, while Quid is going down, he posts a reasonable case on AA, and while he votes Quid, he does state that he intends to vote AA at the start of the next day, which he does at the start of D3: IllegallySober posted:I know I've been mentioned a couple of times and will respond to those and read more deeply the posts I missed from yesterday/this morning on my lunch break. Then he unvotes when the Moat stuff gets posted, briefly OMGUS-es MMT (and he does openly admit it's a reactive vote), and unvotes from there after Moat claims: IllegallySober posted:##unvote from MMT. Then, with KB's permission, votes AA: IllegallySober posted:Sure thing ##vote AA He then says that he'd be fine with a Moat vote, and that he doesn't think his vote on AA is doing anything... but during this time he's digging through AA's post history, and digs up the AA quote about popping Indomitable Will: IllegallySober posted:I totally missed how he phrased this. Moat is still well ahead in the votes at this point, and some people express disappointment that they don't think it can be swung onto AA. Then IS posts this: IllegallySober posted:I agree and I will help you if we have the votes ##vote AA Switching his vote to AA... from AA. Within about an hour of his previous vote on AA, who was his top read for scum for the day, and in less time than that since he referenced the fact that he was voting AA, time during which he was looking through AA's posting history. Did he really somehow forget who he was voting for? It feels more like an attempt to make it look like there was a switch in momentum.
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I'd actually forgotten my vote was parked on AA. Reasonable for you to suspect, but that exchange with KB was right as I'd walked back into work so I'd spaced that he'd asked me to place the vote on AA from before.
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Jan 11, 2018 19:50
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The Lord of Hats posted:He then says that he'd be fine with a Moat vote, and that he doesn't think his vote on AA is doing anything... but during this time he's digging through AA's post history, and digs up the AA quote about popping Indomitable Will: This isn't right, though. I noticed it because TMM had quoted something AA had said, not because I was independently going looking for it myself.
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Jan 11, 2018 19:57
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Oh, my bad, sorry. I just saw that you quoted the original AA post .
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Jan 11, 2018 20:04
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King Burgundy posted:Keep in mind, just because you see someone claiming a lot, doesn't mean it is all from their own abilities. I'm neither but I have a positive status for the next battle only that is essentially the same as being a bruiser
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Jan 11, 2018 20:09
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Yeah, I'm a rancher
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Jan 11, 2018 20:27
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This day seems slow. Where is everyone?
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Jan 11, 2018 21:11
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Long weekend coming in the US. Maybe they traveling? Speaking of: I'm traveling this weekend KB. My posting will be very slow. I'll still try to vote and update sheets and participate, but it's hard to do while herding a fam in Orlando. Gone tomorrow thru Tuesday night
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Jan 11, 2018 21:20
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 Votecount for Day 4   Moatillata (2): Murmur Twin, Slaan Truth Quark (2): GeneX, Moatillata chaoslord (1): Truth Quark IllegallySober (0): OMGVBFLOL, The Lord of Hats (0): Kashuno, Not Voting (13): chaoslord, Flying Leatherman, Gamerofthegame, Hal Incandenza, IllegallySober, Kashuno, King Burgundy, OMGVBFLOL, SalTheBard, The Lord of Hats, TMMadman, Tobbs Gnawed, Your Personal Muse  With 18 people still alive, it takes 10 votes to execute. The current deadline is January 12th, 2018 at 8 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 day, 4 hours.
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Jan 11, 2018 21:26
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TMMadman posted:This day seems slow. Where is everyone? I just woke up a little while and am catching up. Tobbs and TMM both being sure of Hats as town is admittedly kind of loving me up. I still think Moat is the best vote for today and would be hard-pressed to change my mind.
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Jan 11, 2018 21:30
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Murmur Twin posted:I just woke up a little while and am catching up. Tobbs and TMM both being sure of Hats as town is admittedly kind of loving me up. Did KB give the go-ahead to lynch all out or shine-independent confirmed healers?
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Jan 11, 2018 21:32
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Did KB give the go-ahead to lynch all of our shine-independent confirmed healers?
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 Prelim healing assignments: Slaan on FL IS on FL FL on Tobbs Moat on TMM Hats, go ahead and vampire OMG, he isn't doing much at the moment. --- Lock them in. As before be prepared to change your target if necessary. This note is especially for Moat and Hats, no repeat of yesterday. 
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Jan 11, 2018 21:35
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Did KB give the go-ahead to lynch all out or shine-independent confirmed healers? King Burgundy posted:I don't consider Hats a healer and don't think anyone does. Vampire Self Heal is not on my list of gotta keep this dude alive.
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Jan 11, 2018 21:35
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Kash or KB if MMT is confirmed town or something just say something, because if not I think we should lynch her. Don't worry MMT you don't have to respond to more casing. I've made all my points already. ##vote MMT
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Jan 11, 2018 21:37
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I'll clarify anything new about people I don't want cuddled(or do!) after we get to soft deadline, as long as everyone has their thoughts/votes in by then as planned. This might slip a bit depending on that second part.
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Jan 11, 2018 21:37
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MMT: Moat and IS are confirmed healers.
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Jan 11, 2018 21:38
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King Burgundy posted:
Can I volunteer for being vampired? A tiny amount of damage at the start of prelim would go a long way toward my buying Hats' claim.
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Jan 11, 2018 21:39
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:MMT: Neither me nor KB seems to believe that Moat is a confirmed healer. Do you not understand that, or...?
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Jan 11, 2018 21:40
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I voted for MMT yesterday, I don't really see any reason to change my vote today. ##vote MMT
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Jan 11, 2018 21:40
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Tobbs - you buffed your rank in battle #1 and tracked Hats battle #3, am I reading that correctly?
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Jan 11, 2018 21:41
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Murmur Twin posted:Can I volunteer for being vampired? A tiny amount of damage at the start of prelim would go a long way toward my buying Hats' claim. Hmmm, yes, I'll consider this. I'm also using the threat of vamping to try to prompt OMG to actually contribute though, so we'll see.
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Jan 11, 2018 21:42
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SalTheBard posted:I voted for MMT yesterday, I don't really see any reason to change my vote today. ##vote MMT So the cases I posted today had no effect on your read? Like if you think I'm scum, that's one thing, but I'm a bit curious that "I voted for her yesterday and see no reason to change my vote" flies as voting rationale. King Burgundy posted:Hmmm, yes, I'll consider this. I'm also using the threat of vamping to try to prompt OMG to actually contribute though, so we'll see. If it helps, I have a healing potion which can probably cover a vampiring.
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Jan 11, 2018 21:45
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King Burgundy posted:
Understood and completed, boss.
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Jan 11, 2018 21:46
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TMMadman posted:This day seems slow. Where is everyone? Lurkers are alive posters are dead
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Jan 11, 2018 21:48
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Maybe instead of vamping OMG..we kill him. Or TQ. I'll be back with some case info later I hope
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Jan 11, 2018 21:49
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Sal, convince me I am right to believe that you are just a new person who doesn't really know how to scum hunt yet and really just wants to be in battle in order to feel useful.
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Jan 11, 2018 21:49
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:MMT: Can I ask why you're so strongly in belief that it was town Moat who healed Hats instead of scum (healer) who did it to buy scumbro Moat cred?
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Jan 11, 2018 21:49
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Murmur Twin posted:Neither me nor KB seems to believe that Moat is a confirmed healer. Do you not understand that, or...? Who topped me off D2 and healed Hats D3? Murmur Twin posted:Tobbs - you buffed your rank in battle #1 and tracked Hats battle #3, am I reading that correctly? These things are true.
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Jan 11, 2018 21:50
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Murmur Twin posted:Can I ask why you're so strongly in belief that it was town Moat who healed Hats instead of scum (healer) who did it to buy scumbro Moat cred? By this logic we have no confirmed healers.
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Jan 11, 2018 21:50
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:By this logic we have no confirmed healers. 
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Jan 11, 2018 21:51
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Who topped me off D2 and healed Hats D3? Why not scum trying to buy Moat cred?
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As far as I can tell, MMT has cased (in sorta chronological order): Kash (unflipped, leaning town) Me (unflipped, I don't think I'd even posted about my heal yet) Gamer (unflipped, leaning scum) Keane (flipped town) Moat (unflipped, unconfirmed healer, null read) AA (flipped town, confirmed healer) Hats (unflipped, leaning town based on Tobbs' info) IS (unflipped, confirmed healer, null read) She also agreed that Slaan was scummy at a few points. largely based on my case. Healers MMT has not suspected or cased: FL I don't know how conclusive this information is tbh. I haven't been reading MMT very carefully. She's a good player and I have a very hard time determining her alignment one way or another :/
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:By this logic we have no confirmed healers. This is disingenuous and you know it. You can't pretend like Moat and FL/Slaan are on the same level of claim believability, even KB acknowledges this.
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Murmur Twin posted:Why not scum trying to buy Moat cred? Same can be said for literally everyone who ever claimed to heal anyone. Also, what? Moat's original anti-claiming position WRT healers fits his claim nicely. Are you saying that the simplest explanation is that Moat has been role-playing a healer to cover for a healer scumbro? Why? Also, if Moat's heals don't work, whether he does them or not, isn't it better to keep him alive, else the secret hidden scum conspiracy healer can stop obeying KB and pick his own targets. This is why you're scum.
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Murmur Twin posted:This is disingenuous and you know it. You can't pretend like Moat and FL/Slaan are on the same level of claim believability, even KB acknowledges this. Your logic literally applies equally to all those healers. Scum X pretends to heal someone while Scum Y performs the heal. And the question remains: WHYYYYYY?
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People who have been posting very sparsely since D3 who I would like to hear more from: OMG GeneX chaoslord (pops back in just to respond to my case and then vanishes again?) YPM FL Gamer Sal and to a lesser extent, Hal. Today has mostly be a party with me Tobbs MMT TMM and KB, and frankly our opinions are largely stale and moving in circles. I would be happy voting for either chaoslord or Gamer, as it stands now. MMT is tunneling very hard on this Moat/IS/Hats theory, and while I strongly disagree about that being the correct move for today (voting for one of those three), I'm kind of leaning towards MMT being town for it. Like Moat has straight up not been helpful to town so I don't see scum putting in this much effort to try and get him voted out.
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Jan 11, 2018 22:06
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Truth Quark posted:As far as I can tell, MMT has cased (in sorta chronological order): I know I said I wasn't going to try and defend myself but I just wanted to correct that because I never suspected Slaan. (which is important because I'm being accused of trying to rid the town of healers and that's bullshit - I was defending AA all day yesterday.) re: my D1 cases - I don't get why people are using "she cased town d1" as a tick against me since (a) I admitted it as soon as I realized and (b) reads are supposed to evolve, not stay static. For those who want an official record, my current list goes: I know they're town: Me, KB I strongly believe they're town: TMM I think they're town: TQ, YPM, Hal, Slaan, Gamer, Gene, FL, Kash I think they could potentially be scum: OMG, Chaoslord, Sal, Tobbs* I strongly believe they're scum: Moat, Hats, IS *(new as of a few minutes ago but I need to study over his posts because I've thought he was town until this game day)
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Truth Quark posted:People who have been posting very sparsely since D3 who I would like to hear more from: I feel like Moat (someone who was afk when they were on the voting block at deadline / someone who hasn't replied to my case on him yet) has to be on that list, no?
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Can someone who isn't me read over Tobbs and tell me if it feels like he's willfully misinterpreting me in order to discredit what I'm saying? That's what it feels like is happening to me but I admit I might obviously be biased.
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