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DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Nobody likes you.
Everybody hates you.
You're gonna lose.

Smile, you fuck.
Scott Porter.

EDIT: drat, new page.

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Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010

Basebf555 posted:

I figured that guy never had time to take any other roles, it seems like he had a Zatoichi movie to film like every single year for 20 years or something. He has to have the record for playing the same character in the highest number of films.

Nah, that's the guy who played Wong Fei Hung in like 100 movies.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Who plays the Bill Paxton character that he repeatedly abuses and is constantly loving with?

Sebastian Stan easily especially if he keeps his I, Tonya mustache.

brocked
Oct 25, 2005

All shall love me and despair!
Sam Rockwell

Steen71
Apr 10, 2017

Fun Shoe

Basebf555 posted:

I figured that guy never had time to take any other roles, it seems like he had a Zatoichi movie to film like every single year for 20 years or something. He has to have the record for playing the same character in the highest number of films.

Fun fact, Shintaro Katsu was supposed to play the lead in Kurosawa's Kagemusha, but his ego was apparently insufferable, and Kurosawa had to replace him with Tatsuya Nakadai before filming even started.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

Steen71 posted:

Fun fact, Shintaro Katsu was supposed to play the lead in Kurosawa's Kagemusha, but his ego was apparently insufferable, and Kurosawa had to replace him with Tatsuya Nakadai before filming even started.

Sounds like a funny story, according to Wikipedia Katsu brought his own film crew to the set and was gonna make like an unauthorized Kurosawa documentary and I guess he just assumed Kurosawa would be totally cool with that?

Hard to imagine Kagemusha without Nakadai though. I saw Sword of Doom for the first time a few weeks ago and that's fantastic as well.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Bob Odenkirk is getting his own John Wick... produced by some of the people behind Wick and Atomic Blonde.

Get the gently caress in.

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.

This is amazing.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
Assuming Odenkirk is physically capable of performing the necessary action choreography, he would be absolutely perfect for a movie like this. He'd have been a much more inspired casting decision for the Death Wish remake now that I think about it.

The choreography is key though, that was a big part of what made casting Keanu such a great decision. And even he had to then go off and do intensive weapons training in addition to his previous martial arts experience.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
If Colin Firth could pull it off for Kingsman...

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Basebf555 posted:

Assuming Odenkirk is physically capable of performing the necessary action choreography, he would be absolutely perfect for a movie like this. He'd have been a much more inspired casting decision for the Death Wish remake now that I think about it.

The choreography is key though, that was a big part of what made casting Keanu such a great decision. And even he had to then go off and do intensive weapons training in addition to his previous martial arts experience.

Oh man, this is so spot-on it’s kind of depressing.

The thing about Odenkirk is that he’s continually surprised me. Back when Mr. Show was airing, I never in a million years would have thought he could do drama. And even when he was in Breaking Bad, I never would have thought he could lead his own drama. But he’s shown time and time again that he can step the gently caress up. And I think him being a producer on this will go a long way in making him bring his A-game in terms of physicality.

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.

Basebf555 posted:

Assuming Odenkirk is physically capable of performing the necessary action choreography, he would be absolutely perfect for a movie like this. He'd have been a much more inspired casting decision for the Death Wish remake now that I think about it.

The choreography is key though, that was a big part of what made casting Keanu such a great decision. And even he had to then go off and do intensive weapons training in addition to his previous martial arts experience.

People keep asking if he can handle the action choreography. Uh, yeah, I'm thinking he can handle it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77u30-01Asw

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

Wheat Loaf posted:

If Colin Firth could pull it off for Kingsman...

Definitely, I'd have said the same thing about Firth and he definitely pulled it off. So I have high hopes for Odenkirk and obviously we know that he can handle whatever the acting demands are.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I know one of the expectations about contemporary action movies is that the lead will get into really good shape for it to the point of physically transforming themselves (Exhibit A: Chris Pratt in Guardians of the Galaxy) but are there any examples of action leads who either wouldn't or couldn't get into shape?

I imagine Seagal is one who might be mention, but I recently watched Under Siege and I think he tended to rely on his martial arts rather than getting really jacked like Arnold or Stallone.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Wheat Loaf posted:

I know one of the expectations about contemporary action movies is that the lead will get into really good shape for it to the point of physically transforming themselves (Exhibit A: Chris Pratt in Guardians of the Galaxy) but are there any examples of action leads who either wouldn't or couldn't get into shape?

I imagine Seagal is one who might be mention, but I recently watched Under Siege and I think he tended to rely on his martial arts rather than getting really jacked like Arnold or Stallone.

Late-era Charles Bronson always looked like he showed up in a wheelbarrow full of cigarettes butts. And then you’ve got Joe Don Baker, whose entire persona was built around “big angry ham.”

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Wheat Loaf posted:

I know one of the expectations about contemporary action movies is that the lead will get into really good shape for it to the point of physically transforming themselves (Exhibit A: Chris Pratt in Guardians of the Galaxy) but are there any examples of action leads who either wouldn't or couldn't get into shape?

Liam Neeson?

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Lobok posted:

Liam Neeson?

He did it for the A-Team movie, oddly enough.

By Taken #12 I'm sure he gave zero fucks about anything though.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
Probation
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I don't know what movies or serious movies were the ones that changed the game, but it's only recently that guys like Arnold, Stallone, and JCVD aren't exceptions anymore. Bruce Willis and Nicholas Cage are some others who rarely or never got really jacked up for their roles. I don't remember Matt Damon being in ridiculous shape to do the first Bourne movie, but then of course he was jacked up by the last one. (Granted, even in that, it's not like he went all the way to a bodybuilder physique.)

When it comes to martial artists, Jackie Chan was extremely cut when he was young, following Bruce Lee, but size wasn't a big deal. Now he has no need to put his body through that. Donnie Yen didn't bulk up until he did a movie with Vin Diesel. Chuck Norris was always in shape, but he looked like a normal human being.

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Jan 12, 2018

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Nicolas Cage was pretty jacked in Con Air, but I think that was a one-and-done. Come to think of it, did he ever have another outright “spinkick a motherfucker in the face” action movie after that? I’m not talking about Ghost Rider, but a movie where he was presented as being able to do legit martial arts poo poo. Because I’m coming up blank, and you would have thought the success of that movie would have changed his course trajectory, kind of like how Wesley Snipes went from drama to martial arts action star.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I always liked the story about Michael Gambon being offered the role of James Bond where he protested to Cubby Broccoli:

quote:

"I said, I can't play James Bond, because I'm bald, I've got a double chin and I've got girl's tits," he told RTE's Ryan Tubridy. "So he said, well, so has Sean Connery, so we put a wig on him, and we put two big leather bags full of ice on his chest before the take. And then a man comes in just before the action and takes the bags off and then Connery has a beautiful flat chest and he has false teeth and all that.

Fart City posted:

Nicolas Cage was pretty jacked in Con Air, but I think that was a one-and-done. Come to think of it, did he ever have another outright “spinkick a motherfucker in the face” action movie after that? I’m not talking about Ghost Rider, but a movie where he was presented as being able to do legit martial arts poo poo. Because I’m coming up blank, and you would have thought the success of that movie would have changed his course trajectory, kind of like how Wesley Snipes went from drama to martial arts action star.

His other action movies after Con Air were Face/Off and Gone In Sixty Seconds, but I don't think he did a whole lot of what you're talking about in them (Face/Off is more gunplay and Gone In Sixty Seconds is cars).

One thing that's always bothered me about Con Air is that Cameron Poe shows up in a redneck bar in full dress uniform and still has some guys try to pick a fight instead of buy him a drink.

After that, he leaves when he's threatened by them to de-escalate the situation, fights back to defend his pregnant wife when they follow him out into the car park and only kills one of the attackers when they pull a knife on him. I think the single most unrealistic thing in that gloriously silly movie is that he's put in prison at all at the start. :v:

Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Jan 12, 2018

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Wheat Loaf posted:

I always liked the story about Michael Gambon being offered the role of James Bond where he protested to Cubby Broccoli:

Funny thing is that Connery was an amateur bodybuilder before he got the Bond role, and completely dropped that stuff and just had a generic not-fat 1960s male physique for his classic run of Bond movies.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
Cage is an interesting case because he broke through in action movies in The Rock, where he's not the stereotypical action hero character at all. He's a nerdy scientist guy who is thrust into a situation he isn't prepared for and he becomes the hero over the course of the movie.

He really only became "action hero" Cage for Con Air and really he never did that again. He did a car movie with Gone in 60 Seconds, and Face/Off where he's the villain(his body is at least), 8mm which is just a detective noir story with very little action, etc. etc.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World
I think you see the transition to making normal actors get jacked for action roles in the early 2000s, give or take. Like Hugh Jackman in X-Men was just a ordinary looking fit dude, but by X2 in 2003 he's huge.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

sean10mm posted:

I think you see the transition to making normal actors get jacked for action roles in the early 2000s, give or take. Like Hugh Jackman in X-Men was just a ordinary looking fit dude, but by X2 in 2003 he's huge.

Jackman's thing is that he works out really, really hard before he does an X-Men movie, then lets it go once he's finished until the next one's ready to start.

Conversely, I think Henry Cavill's supposed to have enjoyed the regimen he was put on when he was cast as Superman and kept it up after he finished Man of Steel, which is why he looks like Superman all the time.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Wheat Loaf posted:

Jackman's thing is that he works out really, really hard before he does an X-Men movie, then lets it go once he's finished until the next one's ready to start.

Conversely, I think Henry Cavill's supposed to have enjoyed the regimen he was put on when he was cast as Superman and kept it up after he finished Man of Steel, which is why he looks like Superman all the time.

Yeah, and also IIRC he had to get way smaller to play other roles in-between where he's a physically normal human.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
Bale's transformation from Patrick Bateman, to The Machinist, and then back to huge for Batman was influential as well. I think a lot of actors saw that and were like "poo poo, I gotta up my game."

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
Probation
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Fart City posted:

Nicolas Cage was pretty jacked in Con Air, but I think that was a one-and-done. Come to think of it, did he ever have another outright “spinkick a motherfucker in the face” action movie after that? I’m not talking about Ghost Rider, but a movie where he was presented as being able to do legit martial arts poo poo. Because I’m coming up blank, and you would have thought the success of that movie would have changed his course trajectory, kind of like how Wesley Snipes went from drama to martial arts action star.
Wesley Snipes was a legit martial artist, though. Cage would never have been more than a Matt Damon or a Christian Bale in that regard.

I wish John Cusack had done more martial arts in his movies. He started training under Benny Urquidez for the role in Say Anything... and kept at it for years. It's just weird that he's more of a legit martial artist than most action stars, and he only puts those skills to work in comedies.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

The first case of an actor’s diet and workout regiment being a major point of conversation that I can remember was Tobey Maguire in Spider-Man.

Basebf555 posted:

Bale's transformation from Patrick Bateman, to The Machinist, and then back to huge for Batman was influential as well. I think a lot of actors saw that and were like "poo poo, I gotta up my game."

I rewatched Batman Begins last week and I had forgotten just how big he is in that. And I remember reading something where when he had originally shown up for his costume fitting he has actually put on too much muscle, which ironically made him look puffy when in the bat suit. So when you see him in the finished film he’s actually smaller than what he built himself up to be for the role.

Tart Kitty fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Jan 12, 2018

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Fart City posted:

The first case of an actor’s diet and workout regiment being a major point of conversation that I can remember was Tobey Maguire in Spider-Man.

How about Linda Hamilton in Terminator 2?

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

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Uh, Arnold?

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

I mean in the line of conversation about non-bodybuilder actors getting crazy cut for roles.

I’d forgotten about all of the Linda Hamilton chatter though. I do remember that being a big thing now that I think about it.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
The one I remember most keenly is actually Daniel Craig in 2005/2006 just before Casino Royale came out. It was either an image from the production of that scene where he emerges from the sea onto a beach like Ursula Andress in Dr No or just a picture of him at the beach, but I remember there was a lot of remarks about how he'd gotten into pretty good shape for the movie.

Then again, there was a lot of hostility to him when he was announced and part of that was that he didn't have the look, so maybe it played into that. In any event, I don't have the impression that any of his predecessors had that discussion around them. You look up Roger Moore on Wikipedia and it's got a picture of him with his shirt off in 1979 and he's not in bad shape for his age (he was 52) but at the same time he doesn't exactly have the physique of a stereotypical action star.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
The Craig thing was 100% about his hair, people flipped their poo poo that James Bond was gonna be a blonde guy. It was pretty dumb.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Oh, absolutely, the hair was the biggest part of it but I remember the tabloids grumbling that he was schlubby-looking as well.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Bond Blonde, so what

Another actor who had an interesting shift in trajectory was Jason Statham. The dude was never out of shape, but in movies like Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch he was more known for his banter than anything. Then he did the Transporter and more-or-less never looked back.

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.

Wheat Loaf posted:

The one I remember most keenly is actually Daniel Craig in 2005/2006 just before Casino Royale came out. It was either an image from the production of that scene where he emerges from the sea onto a beach like Ursula Andress in Dr No or just a picture of him at the beach, but I remember there was a lot of remarks about how he'd gotten into pretty good shape for the movie.

Then again, there was a lot of hostility to him when he was announced and part of that was that he didn't have the look, so maybe it played into that. In any event, I don't have the impression that any of his predecessors had that discussion around them. You look up Roger Moore on Wikipedia and it's got a picture of him with his shirt off in 1979 and he's not in bad shape for his age (he was 52) but at the same time he doesn't exactly have the physique of a stereotypical action star.

That beefcake shot of him walking out of the water in tiny shorts was pretty smart marketing.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 14 hours!

Neo Rasa posted:

Uh, Arnold?
I think the question concerns people who weren't professional athletes before they became actors.

LesterGroans posted:

That beefcake shot of him walking out of the water in tiny shorts was pretty smart marketing.

La Perla must have sold thousands of men's swimsuits.

Wheat Loaf posted:

Jackman's thing is that he works out really, really hard before he does an X-Men movie, then lets it go once he's finished until the next one's ready to start.

Conversely, I think Henry Cavill's supposed to have enjoyed the regimen he was put on when he was cast as Superman and kept it up after he finished Man of Steel, which is why he looks like Superman all the time.
I don't keep up with press release photos, but I really doubt he has six-pack abs all the time. My understanding is that if male actors don't completely let themselves go when they're not filming, they're definitely not on the "boiled chicken breasts and sadness" diet that you need to get that onscreen physique.

Wheat Loaf posted:

One thing that's always bothered me about Con Air is that Cameron Poe shows up in a redneck bar in full dress uniform and still has some guys try to pick a fight instead of buy him a drink.
The insane thirst for troop dick didn't exist in 1997. It's entirely a propaganda product of the War On Terror.

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jan 12, 2018

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Halloween Jack posted:

The insane thirst for troop dick didn't exist in 1997. It's entirely a propaganda product of the War On Terror.

There was some around the Gulf War, but it was pretty mild and pretty transient compared to what we got from 9/11 to now.

It also had an undercurrent of "making up for" how Vietnam veterans were treated. Even though people's ideas about that were based on Hollywood action movies as much as anything real.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

My favorite thing about the opening to Con Air is that it’s set in a bar that you can seemingly only reach by boat.

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Wasn’t De Niro putting on 50 pounds for the end of Raging Bull a big deal? And also didn’t Rock Hudson beef up after it came out that he was gay?

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