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NEED MORE MILK posted:those suck and also the pencil gives you pressure sensitivity and assists with hand/palm rejection wacom is the gold standard, especially when it comes to things like pressure and tilt sensing, and have a passive (well, operating off the magnetic field the sensor emits) pen afaik
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:wacom is the gold standard, especially when it comes to things like pressure and tilt sensing, and have a passive (well, operating off the magnetic field the sensor emits) pen afaik Wacom is also rapidly losing market share every Wacom tablet I used in the 00’s was garbage, can’t say about recent offerings
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kwinklesOFFICIAL posted:lmao if you have a pencil. dixon ticonderoga bithc accept no substitutes
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:06 |
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Wacom is also rapidly losing market share never met a serious art/design person with anything else yet, but, either way, going "timb had to put a battery in there to enable the ~pressure sensitivity~" is bullshit i again maintain the ipads pro are great though, but let's not defend random aspects in random ways
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:12 |
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ah yes, this one feature was done in the 90's with a dedicated unit 8x the size of the products we're talking about, therefore it could be done with marginal space now. rock solid theory here
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:23 |
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wacom is for arts people not normal or business people
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:never met a serious art/design person with anything else yet, but, either way, going "timb had to put a battery in there to enable the ~pressure sensitivity~" is bullshit there’s a bunch of people on YouTube making art videos with the Pro, who previously used Wacoms, most seem to like the pencil better
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:23 |
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yes there are quite a few paid shills in the world, on youtube especially if an engineer came to steve with the ipencil he would have done the joker disappearing pencil trick with them
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:25 |
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maybe instead of demanding an eraser you should be making less mistakes to begin with
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:27 |
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JawnV6 posted:ah yes, this one feature was done in the 90's with a dedicated unit 8x the size of the products we're talking about, therefore it could be done with marginal space now. rock solid theory here what on earth are you on about? wacom digitizers are commonly used in various tablets, of size and weight similar to the pros (it is literally another coil and controller chip, nothing actually fancy) none are, still, as good as an ipad pro, but not because of digitizer quality. i would assume wacom has a bunch of patents on the stuff making almost all competitors go other routes, but it is not independently powered pens that somehow enables quality pressure sensitivity
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:33 |
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:it is not independently powered pens that somehow enables quality pressure sensitivity cool, maybe use an argument that supports that conclusion instead of specious garbage?? idk im not the one making claims
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:36 |
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...uh? wacom does pressure sensitivity and does not have independently powered pens, what are you looking for beyond this?
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:40 |
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:...uh? wacom does pressure sensitivity and does not have independently powered pens, what are you looking for beyond this? proof the pencil would be better the way you describe, specifically, proof the current design of the pencil does not in any way enable it to be better than its competitors
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 20:56 |
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i used a windows tablet pc in the naughts, with a wacom digitizer. it was pretty thin and light for its time. the pen had an eraser, didn't need to charge, and had good pressure sensitivity. the computer could track the pen when it hovers near the screen, so that could have been leveraged for palm rejection on a touchscreen. its latency was as good as anything made since up until the most recent ipad. it had a lot of problems, all of which can be traced back to the decision to cram wintel into a tablet form factor edit: it was this one Dixie Cretin Seaman fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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Stymie posted:if an engineer came to steve with the ipencil he would have done the joker disappearing pencil trick with them
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 21:03 |
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carry on then posted:proof the pencil would be better the way you describe, specifically, proof the current design of the pencil does not in any way enable it to be better than its competitors obviously something prevented this being possible, every thought anyone in yospos ever has about a change in such a major product will have been thought about previously by someone better paid and informed working on the product, i do dare point out, however, that a battery is not needed for excellent pressure sensitivity, as evidenced by wacom being very good at that aspect. i'd bet on patent issues mostly personally considering that i love the end product either way this all seems pretty defensive
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 21:04 |
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steve "the newton was a mistake" jobs would weep over what the ipad has become
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 21:05 |
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JawnV6 posted:cool, maybe use an argument that supports that conclusion instead of specious garbage?? idk im not the one making claims JawnV6 posted:ah yes, this one feature was done in the 90's with a dedicated unit 8x the size of the products we're talking about, therefore it could be done with marginal space now. rock solid theory here look at how upset this guy is. lmao
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 21:08 |
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doesn’t the pencil also have accelerometers so it can tell what angle it’s being held at, to simulate pencil shading etc?
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 21:09 |
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Going to be hilarious when Samsung and Microsoft launch folding phones and Tim blindly copies 'em.
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 21:13 |
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need to launch the touchscreen macs first, so it'll be a bit
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 21:14 |
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cool startup feel posted:look at how upset this guy is. lmao extremely mad about pencils lol
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 21:22 |
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cool startup feel posted:look at how upset this guy is. lmao lol. So weird
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 21:22 |
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carry on then posted:dixon ticonderoga bithc rotring 800
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 21:35 |
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Doc Block posted:doesn’t the pencil also have accelerometers so it can tell what angle it’s being held at, to simulate pencil shading etc? not only has wacom had this (pen tilt) for years, they also self a pen that tracks the rotation of the pen along its cylindrical axis. so you can define a fancy oblong brush head in photoshop and get different effects as you twist the pen during the stroke like the eraser on the back, it's the kind of physically-intuitive interface apple used to aspire to
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 22:23 |
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apple should buy wacom and their lovely patents
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 22:51 |
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i figure they can just improve the charging situation. wacoms solution is really neat, but with batteries cheap and dense it is probably not really needed anymore. inductive charging for the pen, and a stand where it happens, and no one would think about it again may be worth it to buy wacom anyway to just replicate all the features of their stuff, but that'd be a committal to an actual pro market, which is likely not apples aim anymore
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 23:01 |
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before I bought an iPad Pro, I had a Windows Lenovo Yoga tablet 8 or whatever it was called with "anypen" tech, which I'm pretty sure was just a dumb name for a hypersensitive touchscreen. I could use literally any metallic implement as a stylus and it was real bad. Sometimes I could hover a finger over the screen and get phantom touches. anyhow, one time I heard a guy pronounce Wacom as 'Wackem' and that sounds a lot stupider than how I imagined it to be pronounced, which was 'Way-Com'.
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 23:32 |
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my mom wants "a larger ipad", and i just know she's going to find a way to shatter it in a million pieces somehow hopefully a smart cover will do most of the work
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# ? Jan 12, 2018 23:51 |
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apple should just use some faceid sensors to track and respond to a new apple pencil that's just a solid piece of pencil-shaped white plastic with some IR-reflective markings for calibration. sell it as an accessory for $200
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:apple should just use some faceid sensors to track and respond to a new apple pencil that's just a solid piece of pencil-shaped white plastic with some IR-reflective markings for calibration. sell it as an accessory for $200 Don't you get in serious, police haul you off to a secret black site kind of trouble for leaking Apple product road maps?
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# ? Jan 13, 2018 01:23 |
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nah tim just kind of shrugs and tsks vaguely steve would literally have leakers thrown off roofs
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# ? Jan 13, 2018 08:47 |
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:never met a serious art/design person with anything else yet, but, either way, going "timb had to put a battery in there to enable the ~pressure sensitivity~" is bullshit wacom owns a billion patents around that and will sue the gently caress out of you if you get anywhere near a non-battery operated pressure sensitive stylus.
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# ? Jan 13, 2018 09:08 |
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or maybe Apple figured that they will sell ten million iPads but one hundred thousand pencils so it’s more cost effective to put the expensive hardware in the pencil rather than in every iPad sold
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# ? Jan 13, 2018 17:23 |
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apple doesnt seem to have a problem building in expensive hardware nobody uses on the mac. touch bar, thunderbolt controllers, etc
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# ? Jan 13, 2018 17:35 |
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Jimmy Carter posted:maybe instead of demanding an eraser you should be making less mistakes to begin with "Fewer" not "less". Hth.
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# ? Jan 13, 2018 17:50 |
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Schadenboner posted:"Fewer" not "less". Hth. the only less mistake is using more
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# ? Jan 13, 2018 20:11 |
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Did Apple change the type of plastic used for the keyboards starting with the 12-inch MacBook? The keys on my early-2015 look all greasy and generally gross and I barely ever use this thing. My Air's keyboard looks almost new after nearly 5 years of use. I think I've asked this before. Not sure.
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# ? Jan 13, 2018 20:29 |
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just ran into this https://pikeralpha.wordpress.com/2017/08/05/osinstall-mpkg-appears-to-be-missing-or-damaged/ what loving genius came up with code:
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i should clarify, this was on an imac with no boot fuckery like that guy, just the fix is the same because the updater has a best-by date that kills your install if it expires before completion
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