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DivisionPost posted:Some more upbeat news: https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/952265886110502912 No animated sections this time plz
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Spatula City posted:So I hadn't bothered to watch any Black Mirror except San Junipero (heard romance and 80's pop figured heavily, must-watch), but recently I watched USS Callister and Hang the DJ. Preferred the former to the latter, but both were fun riffs on the same sort of idea, and more to the point, were less grim than the hype led me to believe about Black Mirror. Which other Black Mirror episodes aren't super-grim? I just ain't in the mood for really dark twists or characters put through the ringer. okay, USS Callister actually gets pretty horrifying, but it's buoyed by being a rip into the nice guy trope, with a bona fide happy ending, and a tremendous performance by Cristin Milioti (who really deserves her own show, she's got loads of charisma to spare). In my view, USS Callister, San Junipero, Hang the DJ, and maybe Hated in the Nation are the only ones with some semblance of happiness. The rest end badly. White Christmas for example is a waking nightmare of despair and shook me to my core. I love it.
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Rarity posted:Well this is just excellent I hope the episode is called "The Secret World of Allie Mack".
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“What would Jesus do if he was being attacked! He’d kill the guy! With his trident!” Great News rules
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Rocksicles posted:gently caress Scientology is about to become gently caress Cults. Leah's going balls deep.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Hell yeah, expose all the cults for the poison they are She's coming for you CineD
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Rocksicles posted:She's coming for you CineD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayRpOLrghos
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I don’t know if I could handle seeing that many Zack Snyder shrines
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Is anyone watching Blindspot this season? it's been better than ever with more humour and the cases of the week fast paced and entertaining. But I have to say i'm somewhat amused at the simplicity of the overall bad guys, first the evil mole Hirst who we knew nothing about and now David Morse, we have no idea what his motivation is, what he's planning, what he does, just that he is bad apparently and has to be stopped. Have to admire the total lack of dressing up the enemy macguffin I guess
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Jan 14, 2018 04:55
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Wandle Cax posted:Is anyone watching Blindspot this season? it's been better than ever with more humour and the cases of the week fast paced and entertaining. But I have to say i'm somewhat amused at the simplicity of the overall bad guys, first the evil mole Hirst who we knew nothing about and now David Morse, we have no idea what his motivation is, what he's planning, what he does, just that he is bad apparently and has to be stopped. Have to admire the total lack of dressing up the enemy macguffin I guess I am!
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Jan 14, 2018 04:57
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poo poo, gently caress, drat. I went on a date with Aziz Ansari. It turned into the worst night of my life
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Jan 14, 2018 05:04
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Rarity posted:People are the loving worst. Mad props to Dushku for coming forward with that. I can't imagine my kids coming to me with something like that and not immediately going to stomp the perpetrator into the ground. How her parents didn't murder that dude is beyond me, I hope they at least tried calling the police or something.
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Jan 14, 2018 05:15
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IRQ posted:They all get bored and do premium shows of some kind. Jon Stewart is leaving his dog farm or whatever to do an HBO show too. Leno probably did something idk, he sucks. Leno does a car show on CNBC(?) that reminds me of Top Gear from back in the day. As a car show with banter, it's not that bad a watch.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPos66MpHe8 I'm assuming this is going to be good solely because I like all those actors but we'll see.
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Looks like Horatio Hornblower but messed up. Love seeing Julius Caesar and Brutus together again. We just need James Purefoy and Pullo.
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I was a bit surprised when I learned Jared Harris's name. For some reason I was expecting Nigel or something more British sounding
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Lurdiak posted:poo poo, gently caress, drat. Rarity posted:People are the loving worst.
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drat if that one’s real it fuckin stings e: realistically though it’s not like abuse-level, just another dude who’s a horny idiot and can’t understand basic signals Escobarbarian fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Jan 14, 2018 |
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Escobarbarian posted:e: realistically though it’s not like abuse-level, just another dude who’s a horny idiot and can’t understand basic signals I feel like saying this is minimising the impact of his actions. No it's not an aggressive rape but it was non-consensual coercion that still had long-term traumatic impact on the victim. Writing it off as 'just a horny dummy' is implying that it's ok that he didn't establish full consent first or that he kept going after she'd made it clear she wasn't interested.
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Jan 14, 2018 12:07
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It looks pretty bad on Aziz's part but it's hard for me to believe that a 90 pound twig like him could physically force anyone to do anything. In the article she says he asked several times for a blowjob and she eventually did it. The gently caress? Why not tell him to go gently caress himself. I don't think he committed any crime, the most he did was sort of forcefully put his fingers in her mouth which is weird and maybe he watches too much porn. Unless there's a torrent of other accusers showing this happens a lot, I bet he'll be fine with an apology.
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Jan 14, 2018 12:23
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Mu Zeta posted:It looks pretty bad on Aziz's part but it's hard for me to believe that a 90 pound twig like him could physically force anyone to do anything. In the article she says he asked several times for a blowjob and she eventually did it. The gently caress? Why not tell him to go gently caress himself. Sexual coercion is a thing. The power dynamic between the two of them was so weighted in Ansari's favour based on his age and his celebrity status that for her to reject him that strongly would require a huge amount of confidence and it's not fair to blame her for not having that. It's like when Terry Crews had his dick grabbed by a producer. You're also ignoring the fact that it doesn't matter that she didn't tell him to gently caress himself. She didn't say yes and that's what consent is. Saying that it's her fault for not rejecting him strongly is victim blaming and is the exact reason it's taken so long for the Me Too movement to happen.
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Jan 14, 2018 12:29
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It's not victim blaming to say that a woman needs to know to say no very clearly or just leave the place entirely when she is uncomfortable. It's a sad state of affairs that woman should have that responsibility to protect themselves, and Aziz obviously acted like a massive creep in this situation. But it could have been avoided on her part and reducing talk like that to victim blaming is sending the wrong message. Men are creeps and women need to know that and be strong enough to resist that without falling into this victim mentality. I think there's also danger in conflating a more avoidable situation and more horrific abuse all into the "sexual assault" label which risks trivialising the more serious cases.
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Why did Chandler and Monica decide between them that Rachael would be moving out when Chandler moved in without consulting her? That's incredibly inconsiderate, especially in an apartment that could easily house 4+.
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Jan 14, 2018 12:38
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Steve2911 posted:Why did Chandler and Monica decide between them that Rachael would be moving out when Chandler moved in without consulting her? That's incredibly inconsiderate, especially in an apartment that could easily house 4+. It's because it's Monica's grandmother's apartment
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Jan 14, 2018 12:39
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I said Aziz is the one that has to apologize. That said, does she bare absolutely no responsibility for her own actions regarding the blowjob? Overall it's good that people are speaking out and getting the story out there but there's room for nuance too. What power dynamic does he have over her. It's not like Harvey Weinstein promising someone a career for sleeping with him.
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Wandle Cax posted:It's not victim blaming to say that a woman needs to know to say no very clearly or just leave the place entirely when she is uncomfortable. It's a sad state of affairs that woman should have that responsibility to protect themselves, and Aziz obviously acted like a massive creep in this situation. But it could have been avoided on her part and reducing talk like that to victim blaming is sending the wrong message. Men are creeps and women need to know that and be strong enough to resist that without falling into this victim mentality. I think there's also danger in conflating a more avoidable situation and more horrific abuse all into the "sexual assault" label which risks trivialising the more serious cases. Yes and maybe she shouldn't have worn such a short skirt and she probably shouldn't have been drunk either. What you've just said is literally victim blaming. It is not anyone's responsibility to not be assaulted. It's everyone's responsibility to not assault people.
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Rarity posted:I feel like saying this is minimising the impact of his actions. No it's not an aggressive rape but it was non-consensual coercion that still had long-term traumatic impact on the victim. Writing it off as 'just a horny dummy' is implying that it's ok that he didn't establish full consent first or that he kept going after she'd made it clear she wasn't interested. Yeah, I phrased that pretty poorly. I didn’t mean for that to come off like it lessens what happened in any way for me. Just that I don’t see it as “abuse” in the sense it’s been spoken of recently. Doesn’t mean it isn’t hosed-up and creepy that a 34 year old man who professes to understand so much could be so pushy, and so wilfully ignorant (or blind, if you wanna wish for the best, but come on) to signals. The “doesn’t seem like you hate me” line is the one thing that makes me question this but without knowing the context in which it was said it’s entirely possible he was trying to be self-deprecating. e: I do not agree with Wandle Cax or Mu Zeta’s comments at all. Escobarbarian fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Jan 14, 2018 |
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Escobarbarian posted:Yeah, I phrased that pretty poorly. I didn’t mean for that to come off like it lessens what happened in any way for me. Just that I don’t see it as “abuse” in the sense it’s been spoken of recently. Doesn’t mean it isn’t hosed-up and creepy that a 34 year old man who professes to understand so much could be so pushy, and so wilfully ignorant (or blind, if you wanna wish for the best, but come on) to signals. The “doesn’t seem like you hate me” line is the one thing that makes me question this but without knowing the context in which he was said it’s entirely possible he was trying to be self-deprecating. I figured that was where you were coming from, I just felt the language you used wasn't great. And that's the real problem right now with having this conversation. Words like abuse and assault are big red flag words and as soon as they're said it raises everyone's tensions. We really need words that separate this kind of act from the violent and aggressive kind of sexual assault.
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Rarity posted:Yes and maybe she shouldn't have worn such a short skirt and she probably shouldn't have been drunk either. I don't mean to say it's her fault, and obviously people have a responsibility not to assault people, and obviously Aziz is 100% in the wrong. But if a woman in a situation like this leaves or pushes back more firmly maybe clueless guys like Aziz might start to get a hint that what they are doing is wrong
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Wandle Cax posted:It's not victim blaming to say that a woman needs to know to say no very clearly or just leave the place entirely when she is uncomfortable. It's a sad state of affairs that woman should have that responsibility to protect themselves, and Aziz obviously acted like a massive creep in this situation. But it could have been avoided on her part and reducing talk like that to victim blaming is sending the wrong message. Men are creeps and women need to know that and be strong enough to resist that without falling into this victim mentality. I think there's also danger in conflating a more avoidable situation and more horrific abuse all into the "sexual assault" label which risks trivialising the more serious cases. jfc no. The article says she actually said no more than once, and he kept going after telling her he'd back off. Celebrities will always have the upper hand in those situations.
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Mu Zeta posted:I said Aziz is the one that has to apologize. That said, does she bare absolutely no responsibility for her own actions regarding the blowjob? Overall it's good that people are speaking out and getting the story out there but there's room for nuance too. What power dynamic does he have over her. It's not like Harvey Weinstein promising someone a career for sleeping with him. Because when you're faced with someone who's likely stronger than you, you sometimes fear what will happen if you don't do the 'right' thing. Maybe consider that you don't know when someone might flip completely and make a situation worse. She's already getting pushy vibes from Ansari and she must've been thinking 'Where does this end?' and 'What can I do to make this situation better?' Maybe she says no and he takes it a step further. Maybe she says no again and it ends with her being forced, or beaten, or worse. You can't be ignorant and handwave away the blowjob while ignoring the much broader context. Power dynamics go way beyond employer and employee and poo poo like that. They're everyday things.
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This also apparently went down just a few months ago. Have any of the other recent accusations been so recent? It's shocking that this would've happened literal days before #MeToo started.
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Steve2911 posted:This also apparently went down just a few months ago. Have any of the other recent accusations been so recent? It's shocking that this would've happened literal days before #MeToo started. Yeah when I first read it I thought well maybe it was a while ago and since then he's learned a lot, particularly as that MASTER OF NONE episode addresses this stuff. But nope, this was all after that.
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Mu Zeta posted:I said Aziz is the one that has to apologize. That said, does she bare absolutely no responsibility for her own actions regarding the blowjob? Overall it's good that people are speaking out and getting the story out there but there's room for nuance too. What power dynamic does he have over her. It's not like Harvey Weinstein promising someone a career for sleeping with him. The thing is it's not like she didn't want to have sex with him, she just didn't want to have sex with him then. So he has the power of deciding whether a second date happens or not and that means she would feel like just being 'gently caress you, I'm out' takes that off the table. When you combine that with the age/status it makes it extra difficult to express boundaries. Obviously at some point in the interaction that switch gets flipped and she never wants to see him again but it's not like that would happen the instant he made his first advance because it's a slow erosion over time. Wandle Cax posted:I don't mean to say it's her fault, and obviously people have a responsibility not to assault people, and obviously Aziz is 100% in the wrong. But if a woman in a situation like this leaves or pushes back more firmly maybe clueless guys like Aziz might start to get a hint that what they are doing is wrong Not every woman feels capable of having that strength in the moment and it's not her fault for feeling that way. I just want to clarify my position that I've got nothing against either of you for what you're saying. I think it's emblematic of a wider societal issue that we're teaching boys and girls that certain behaviours are ok when they're really not which means we end up with otherwise decent people doing things that are harmful without realising and accepting other people doing things that are harmful.
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Rarity posted:Not every woman feels capable of having that strength in the moment and it's not her fault for feeling that way. This is what it comes down to. It’s so, so easy to say “oh why didn’t you just leave” but in that situation it’s far far more complex than that. The main argument I really hate is the whole “oh but they know some men are like this” thing. It feels like arguing we should focus more on training women to avoid men who do this poo poo than, you know, training men not to do this poo poo.
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Escobarbarian posted:This is what it comes down to. It’s so, so easy to say “oh why didn’t you just leave” but in that situation it’s far far more complex than that. Yeah absolutely. There was a line someone used earlier which was 'Men are creeps' but that viewpoint reduces things down too much and basically takes away all forms of agency. Men don't have to be creeps, it's not like having a dick automatically takes away all your critical thinking. And we also need to acknowledge that women are capabale of sexual assault and rape and that's just as awful as when men do it.
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It just hit me that Matt Lauer is in that Kimmy Schmidt scene about women doing anything to avoid being rude.Wandle Cax posted:It's because it's Monica's grandmother's apartment Though it's massive with two bedrooms. (The actual reason was so Joey could have a roommate for sitcom shenanigans.) Lycus fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Jan 14, 2018 |
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Wandle Cax posted:It's because it's Monica's grandmother's apartment If I remember right it's also rent controlled
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Party Plane Jones posted:If I remember right it's also rent controlled Yeah but Monica didn't need to move out. I get wanting to live alone but that place was way too big for two people sharing a bedroom.
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Yeah I wouldnt be rushing in to defend Ansari esp since this feels like the calm before the tide rushes back in. The account made it seem like he's def a predator.
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