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Whenever someone brings up the superheroes as Westerns comparison, I ask how many independent studios can go out and shoot their own Batman movies to light a fire under the bloated tentpole asses of the world. Superheroes are tied with intellectual properties in a way that negates any that aren't preexisting as illegitimate in the eyes of the buying public. The only successful modern exception (unless you want to go obtusely broad and say that Indiana Jones and Luke Skywalker and all the Campbell protagonists are superheroes like a pedant) is The Incredibles, which was successful on the backs of being a Disney/Pixar film. Dreamworks tried making The Incredibles years later and you got Megamind and everyone knew it was cut-rate before they saw it which is why it... gently caress, it didn't lose money, but I think my argument still holds up that you can't really proliferate the superhero genre without writing a check for beaucoup dollars unless you want to go shoot Nigerian Batman, which we should be so blessed as to have.
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Superheroes as a genre absolutely lend themselves to all of the advantages of huge media conglomerates. They only really work with a combination of existing IP with ideas to draw from and some measure of existing fanbase to lend legitimacy, and a big enough budget to make all the superpowers and action setpieces look good. Even then it's not like you can't have fuckups, but for the most part it works.
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Jan 14, 2018 12:26
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Snowman_McK posted:Or Westerns. The Revenant made half a billion dollars, Django Unchained made $400m and The Lone Ranger made a quarter billion dollars. They're not dominating the box office but they've still got a sizable audience when the studios can be bothered putting the effort in.
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Jan 14, 2018 12:44
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The Revenant made half a billion dollars, Django Unchained made $400m and The Lone Ranger made a quarter billion dollars. They're not dominating the box office but they've still got a sizable audience when the studios can be bothered putting the effort in. Lone Ranger was a notorious bomb, though.
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Jan 14, 2018 13:14
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Wheat Loaf posted:Lone Ranger was a notorious bomb, though. Only because of its ridiculous budget.
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Jan 14, 2018 13:28
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Is Lone Ranger really a western though? I haven't seen it but it looked about as western as Pirates of the Caribbean looks like a period piece.
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Jan 14, 2018 13:38
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It's basically Pirates of the Caribbean with cowboys instead of pirates. Same director, producer, screenwriter and Johnny Depp.
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Jan 14, 2018 13:44
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starkebn posted:Is Lone Ranger really a western though? I haven't seen it but it looked about as western as Pirates of the Caribbean looks like a period piece. It had cowboys and
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Jan 14, 2018 14:25
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It had cowboys and :okay:
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starkebn posted::okay: What's your definition of a Western movie and why don't you think that Lone Ranger fits in the genre? I'm not trying to argue, I'm honestly curious.
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Jan 14, 2018 14:32
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Alvarez IV posted:Dreamworks tried making The Incredibles years later and you got Megamind and everyone knew it was cut-rate before they saw it which is why it... gently caress, it didn't lose money, but I think my argument still holds up Megamind was entertaining and you're talking out of your butt
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Jan 14, 2018 15:18
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The best superhero movie is Lucy.
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starkebn posted:Is Lone Ranger really a western though? I haven't seen it but it looked about as western as Pirates of the Caribbean looks like a period piece. It's the most western a movie ever was, it includes like 80% of all western tropes imaginable.
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Jan 14, 2018 15:34
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Rango was the best modern western.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's the most western a movie ever was, it includes like 80% of all western tropes imaginable. How many times to they ride by the same rock while going to completely different places?
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Jan 14, 2018 16:25
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Best modern western = Broken Arrow from 1996. (It's about a train robbery in the desert and it has an abandoned mine, what more do you want?)
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:What's your definition of a Western movie and why don't you think that Lone Ranger fits in the genre? I'm not trying to argue, I'm honestly curious. starkebn posted:I haven't seen it
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:The best superhero movie is Lucy. I saw Lucy for free and still wanted my money back
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Jan 14, 2018 16:36
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starkebn posted:
Yeah I know that, but I'm still interested to know why you thought it wasn't a western.
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Alvarez IV posted:Whenever someone brings up the superheroes as Westerns comparison, I ask how many independent studios can go out and shoot their own Batman movies to light a fire under the bloated tentpole asses of the world. Superheroes are tied with intellectual properties in a way that negates any that aren't preexisting as illegitimate in the eyes of the buying public. The only successful modern exception (unless you want to go obtusely broad and say that Indiana Jones and Luke Skywalker and all the Campbell protagonists are superheroes like a pedant) is The Incredibles, which was successful on the backs of being a Disney/Pixar film. Dreamworks tried making The Incredibles years later and you got Megamind and everyone knew it was cut-rate before they saw it which is why it... gently caress, it didn't lose money, but I think my argument still holds up that you can't really proliferate the superhero genre without writing a check for beaucoup dollars unless you want to go shoot Nigerian Batman, which we should be so blessed as to have. How much is beaucoup? Chronicle was made for $12M and Lucy was made for $40M and they both earned it back tenfold.
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Jan 14, 2018 17:18
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Best original superhero movie: Darkman.
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Neo Rasa posted:How many times to they ride by the same rock while going to completely different places? There's far too much money thrown at the movie to do that even for a gag.
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Jan 14, 2018 17:22
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SciFiDownBeat posted:Megamind was entertaining and you're talking out of your butt Yeah, The Incredibles and Megamind are the two best superhero movies I've seen.
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Jan 14, 2018 17:38
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Yeah I know that, but I'm still interested to know why you thought it wasn't a western. [/quote] From the little I picked up about it, it looked just like "whacky Johnny Depp in dress up", it's not like I've got some ulterior motive.
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I'm sorry dude it's just really amusing how you could see more than a few seconds of THE LONE RANGER (or even just the poster/being culturally aware of it) and not immediately know it's a western. Like I'm pretty sure if I played the trailer for my 2 year old niece she'd probably shout things like "cowboy!" and "horsie!" within moments.
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Jan 14, 2018 18:22
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Yeah I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything, I was just wondering how you came to that conclusion. To be fair if all you knew about it was from watching the first minute of this trailer you'd be excused for assuming it was a supernatural thriller/horror set sometime in the past https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAUjV2hGuW4 If you only saw the first 40 seconds of this trailer you might have guessed it was about time travel and was partly set in the time of Alexander the Great and possibly Paris during the Moulin Rouge era https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9DDCKVrZfU The line "Imagine time and space under the mastery of man, power that makes emperors and kings look like fools" was a terrible was to start the trailer. The promotional material for the film had massive tonal issues, they really obviously had no idea how to sell it to audiences. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jan 14, 2018 |
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Plus it gave us those games from Johnny Depp where the entire character was built around "Yeah I fell in love with this Indian painting with the striped makeup so I based the entire character around it" and "Actually I am part Native American, like 1/4 Cherokee like from my great grandma or some poo poo." And I know that stuff made me and a lot of other folks not even consider seeing the movie way before a trailer was even out.
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Jan 14, 2018 18:47
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Is bone tomahawk a western or a horror?
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That end train scene is dope as hell though. It’s almost kind of worth it for that. But not really.
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Lobok posted:How much is beaucoup? Chronicle was made for $12M and Lucy was made for $40M and they both earned it back tenfold. Chronicle is the product of two scions of successful Hollywood figures, find me someone else without connections who can pull together a tenth of its budget for a movie like that and hope to make a profit. Lucy was Luc Besson's thing, and he's more independent of the needlessly expensive American film industry than most, and even then it was the highest budgeted film in EuropaCorp's history. When a regular person wants to make a movie, they go for something within their financial means, which if you want to make a genre film means horror or very occasionally science fiction.
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Bone tomahawk is a western horror movie
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Wild Wild West is a western horrible movie.
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Neo Rasa posted:Wild Wild West is a western horrible movie. It's near the top of both the list of movies I was most excited for as a kid and the list of movies I was most disappointed by. CelticPredator posted:Bone tomahawk is a western horror movie Here's my idea for one of those Star Wars spin-off movies: Bone Tomahawk, except with Tusken Raiders.
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Jan 14, 2018 19:11
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CelticPredator posted:That end train scene is dope as hell though. It’s almost kind of worth it for that. I think the funny thing about it is that I didn't see it coming at all, despite the fact that Verbinski spends 90+ minutes setting up a train chase to the William Tell Overture.
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Neo Rasa posted:Wild Wild West is a western horrible movie. I had the toy of the cool spider robot as a kid, that's all I remember.
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Jan 14, 2018 19:17
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The best thing about Wild Wild West was the giant mechanical spider.
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Well, at least when Will Smith made a bad movie back then he'd do a song to go with it.
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I... I like Wild Wild West  It’s just so absurd that it becomes entertaining
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