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Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Andy Dufresne posted:

Are you trying to make a point?

Yes, that for most people 5% isn't a lot of money. We're talking people playing with hundreds of dollars here, the amount a person would reasonably spend visiting Vegas, not the thousands you're mistakenly thinking they're wasting.

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Adar
Jul 27, 2001

QuarkJets posted:

Are the remaining 10% planning to hold their CC balances indefinitely, eventually declaring bankruptcy and trying to hide their bitcoins from debt collectors? I wonder if the industry has already prepared for this

the 'I bought (expensive asset) with a credit card planning to declare bankruptcy' routine dates back to the third or fourth person ever to get a credit card and the proceeds of the purchase weren't even traceable forever, so good luck with that

however 'I bought a bunch of buttcoins pre-crash, they crashed, and now I have to declare bankruptcy' will definitely be a thing and will also have the hilarious side effect of judges forcing a bunch of people to forfeit their bitcoins to the banks

milkrun
Mar 7, 2007

Ccs posted:

Yes, that for most people 5% isn't a lot of money. We're talking people playing with hundreds of dollars here, the amount a person would reasonably spend visiting Vegas, not the thousands you're mistakenly thinking they're wasting.

I think the less money you have the more careful you should be with it

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
Finally a new industry to embrace bitcoin: collections

Get a judgement saying "the bitcoins belonging to private key x in transaction y are the officially the property of bank y, you must surrender that exact amount of bitcoins or the listed bitcoins will be regarded as stolen property" then just follow the transactions forever still someone in us jurisdiction gains control or cashes out

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

Here are Bitcoin Billionaire Cameron Winklevoss' 2 favorite Science Fiction books:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/cameron-winklevoss-shares-his-2-favorite-science-fiction-books.html

Dune and Foundation

An interesting insight into a very powerful genius of Bitcoin.

FAGGY CLAUSE
Apr 9, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Invest in NAMBLACOIN and mine hot lil BOY ASSHO

meat police
Nov 14, 2015

Pochoclo posted:

Maybe your life someday

Don’t make me hopeful

Andy Dufresne
Aug 4, 2010

The only good race pace is suicide pace, and today looks like a good day to die

Ccs posted:

Yes, that for most people 5% isn't a lot of money. We're talking people playing with hundreds of dollars here, the amount a person would reasonably spend visiting Vegas, not the thousands you're mistakenly thinking they're wasting.

People who can't adequately fund their retirement accounts should not speculate in bitcoin. Is this a controversial position or something?

They probably shouldn't go to Vegas either.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

FAGGY CLAUSE posted:

Invest in NAMBLACOIN and mine hot lil BOY ASSHO

Ah, I didn't know Bruce Wagner had an SA account.

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005

french lies posted:

The back offices of most major banks and financial institutions will be completely hollowed out once blockchain and smart contracts are fully rolled out.
oh god the true believers never believe they are the true believers. they always think theyre just the rational ones

Alpha Mayo
Jan 15, 2007
hi how are you?
there was this racist piece of shit in your av so I fixed it
you're welcome
pay it forward~
I don't understand the point of proof of work, even if the entire bitcoin network was secured by a single i386 wouldn't that be enough as long as the hashing algorithm is unbroken?

I thought PoW was more useful in rate limiting such as spam and brute forcing simple passwords. Maybe I'm missing something though.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Alpha Mayo posted:

I don't understand the point of proof of work, even if the entire bitcoin network was secured by a single i386 wouldn't that be enough as long as the hashing algorithm is unbroken?

I thought PoW was more useful in rate limiting such as spam and brute forcing simple passwords. Maybe I'm missing something though.

You're missing the crazy libertarians hijacking a tech toy because it's clearly the future of economy, then entering a stupid arms race driven by greed for more virtual Chuck E Cheese tokens. Then, once it was clear that crazy libertarians were willing to pay for these tokens, other people started paying for them because they thought the price would go up, and once it was clear that non-crazies were willing to pay for them... well, you get the point.

It's like those videos with polyethylene glycol - just takes a little push for the molecules to start pulling each other, but there's only so much of it to go around and only so much the force will go against gravity and no, you can't build a perpetual motion machine with it.

Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Jan 14, 2018

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
you could have the same constant duplicate verification going on if a lot of people people were willing to allocate 2+GB of hard drive space and a little bit of cpu resources at no benefit to themselves. but just in case that wasnt appealing theres "mining" proof of work and reward bitcoins

plus thats where the coins come from in the first place. otherwise satoshi would have given 21 million to himself

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
if you think you dont understand something about bitcoin because it sounds stupid that means you actually understand it perfectly

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Friend of mine may have been a codeveloper of bitcoin or maybe satoshi himself. He had the earliest bitcoins but he killed himself a few years ago over drama with a crazy girlfriend. Not even joking a little bit. He had the bitcoins before they were even publicly available.

Ruggan
Feb 20, 2007
WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!


jonathan posted:

Friend of mine may have been a codeveloper of bitcoin or maybe satoshi himself. He had the earliest bitcoins but he killed himself a few years ago over drama with a crazy girlfriend. Not even joking a little bit. He had the bitcoins before they were even publicly available.

Probably worth finding and searching his old hard drives

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

jonathan posted:

Friend of mine may have been a codeveloper of bitcoin or maybe satoshi himself. He had the earliest bitcoins but he killed himself a few years ago over drama with a crazy girlfriend. Not even joking a little bit. He had the bitcoins before they were even publicly available.

Do tell

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

jonathan posted:

Friend of mine may have been a codeveloper of bitcoin or maybe satoshi himself. He had the earliest bitcoins but he killed himself a few years ago over drama with a crazy girlfriend. Not even joking a little bit. He had the bitcoins before they were even publicly available.

are you sure that he wasn't just telling you made up poo poo because he was crazy and killed himself

Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!


Grimey Drawer
I still think there's at least a ten percent chance Satoshi is dead maybe more

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Inept posted:

are you sure that he wasn't just telling you made up poo poo because he was crazy and killed himself

I highly doubt he was satoshi and never claimed that. But the timeline of when he was talking about the project jives with my theory that he helped or contributed to the original design. When they started to become accepted for buying drugs he pretty much considered the project a success.

But then his crazy girlfriend wanted to get them both thrown in jail so he killed himself via overdose.

His name was Dennis Moran.

Telarra
Oct 9, 2012

Alpha Mayo posted:

I don't understand the point of proof of work, even if the entire bitcoin network was secured by a single i386 wouldn't that be enough as long as the hashing algorithm is unbroken?

I thought PoW was more useful in rate limiting such as spam and brute forcing simple passwords. Maybe I'm missing something though.

Proof of work is a (terrible, but currently only) solution to the problem of picking which miner's block should be the official one, while remaining 'trustless'. It has nothing to do with protecting keys, and everything to do with decentralization. If you threw out PoW and picked one specific miner as the god of bitcoin, the entire network could be collapsed down to just a single machine, but that would require trusting someone, and we can't have that!

And yeah, that god of bitcoin still wouldn't be able to do stuff like make fraudulent transactions, but they could do shady stuff like ignoring or prioritizing specific transactions in the queue, which can compromise the network just as badly.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

jonathan posted:

I highly doubt he was satoshi and never claimed that. But the timeline of when he was talking about the project jives with my theory that he helped or contributed to the original design. When they started to become accepted for buying drugs he pretty much considered the project a success.

But then his crazy girlfriend wanted to get them both thrown in jail so he killed himself via overdose.

His name was Dennis Moran.

ah this one?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Moran_(computer_criminal)

https://steemit.com/hacking/@ackza/...d-corporate-web

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
Holy lol if that's the slightest bit true

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008


lol apparently his alias was Coolio

toiletbrush
May 17, 2010
Just before Xmas, a relative put £400 into some Bitcoin business where you had to make a minimum deposit of £200 and you couldn't withdraw any of that money for three months, but you'd earn 1% interest every day and then at the end of the three months you could either take it all out or leave it in there earning 1% per day...or something like that. Does anyone know who this is or what his chances are of ever seeing his money again?

Katana Gomai
Jan 14, 2007

"Thus," concluded Miyamoto, "you must give up everything you have to be my disciple."

toiletbrush posted:

Just before Xmas, a relative put £400 into some Bitcoin business where you had to make a minimum deposit of £200 and you couldn't withdraw any of that money for three months, but you'd earn 1% interest every day and then at the end of the three months you could either take it all out or leave it in there earning 1% per day...or something like that. Does anyone know who this is or what his chances are of ever seeing his money again?

Napkin math says they'd owe your relative just under 1000 GBP at the end of three months, so either way it's not a lot. It's absolutely a scam though, the rate seems dangerously close to those payday loans they have in America

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

toiletbrush posted:

Just before Xmas, a relative put £400 into some Bitcoin business where you had to make a minimum deposit of £200 and you couldn't withdraw any of that money for three months, but you'd earn 1% interest every day and then at the end of the three months you could either take it all out or leave it in there earning 1% per day...or something like that. Does anyone know who this is or what his chances are of ever seeing his money again?

This could be out of a textbook description on Ponzi schemes.

Dave Concepcion
Mar 19, 2012
lol 1% compounding interest over 90 days is like 2.5 times the money back, sounds mega legit

Ruggan
Feb 20, 2007
WHAT THAT SMELL LIKE?!


Dave Concepcion posted:

lol 1% compounding interest over 90 days is like 2.5 times the money back, sounds mega legit

Yeah, assuming a 30 day month, that’s a 35% return per month. 145% over 90.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

QuarkJets posted:

lol apparently his alias was Coolio
*microsoft groove music maker synthline plays*

Keep spending most our lives
Livin' in a hacka's paradise
Been spending most their lives
Livin' in a hacka's paradise

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

jonathan posted:

I highly doubt he was satoshi and never claimed that. But the timeline of when he was talking about the project jives with my theory that he helped or contributed to the original design. When they started to become accepted for buying drugs he pretty much considered the project a success.

But then his crazy girlfriend wanted to get them both thrown in jail so he killed himself via overdose.

His name was Dennis Moran.

so what happened to the gf

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
The gf was actually CARLA MARK FORCE IV

Some classic lols for the newer people: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-03-30/bitcoin-secret-agents-were-pirates-themselves

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

That's him but holy poo poo did you read that second link ?

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Sentient Data posted:

The gf was actually CARLA MARK FORCE IV

Some classic lols for the newer people: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-03-30/bitcoin-secret-agents-were-pirates-themselves

please do not doxx his roleplay

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

toiletbrush posted:

Just before Xmas, a relative put £400 into some Bitcoin business where you had to make a minimum deposit of £200 and you couldn't withdraw any of that money for three months, but you'd earn 1% interest every day and then at the end of the three months you could either take it all out or leave it in there earning 1% per day...or something like that. Does anyone know who this is or what his chances are of ever seeing his money again?

Was it Bitconnect?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4j00YUB5Vs

The CryptoChick(aka MoneyMonsta) explains in this video how BITCONNECT gives you an average of 1% interest, which you cannot lose (per their own policies) so it seems your friend took advantage of a great opportunity!

Meanwhile... you’re on the sidelines scratching your buttocks, grunting like an ape 🦍 at this whole “Crypto? Hhhhnnrrrr? “ thing. My friend, be like your friend, buy the Bitcoin NOW

ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

How do you prove someone owns a bitcoin? Isn't it anonymous? If you borrow an assload of money to buy buttcoin and bury them, say in coinbase, then declare bankruptcy how do collectors take your bitcoin?

Adar
Jul 27, 2001

Stefan Prodan posted:

I still think there's at least a ten percent chance Satoshi is dead maybe more

close to 100%, imo

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

ilmucche posted:

How do you prove someone owns a bitcoin? Isn't it anonymous? If you borrow an assload of money to buy buttcoin and bury them, say in coinbase, then declare bankruptcy how do collectors take your bitcoin?
The big problem you're glossing over is buying the buttcoins anonymously. If you pay by wire transfer, credit card, etc, they know you sent money to someone in exchange for bitcoins. If that was a US-based company like Coinbase, they keep records of who you are, where they send bitcoins, and will happily tell investigators everything.

As for how they take your bitcoins - H. Beatty Chadwick's wife divorced him. The court found that he was holding a lot of money overseas and put him in prison until he coughed up the cash. He refused, so he spent 14 years in prison.

Moxxis Endowment
Dec 11, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Gobbeldygook posted:

H. Beatty Chadwick's wife divorced him. The court found that he was holding a lot of money overseas and put him in prison until he coughed up the cash. He refused, so he spent 14 years in prison.
drat, that guy really hated his wife.

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Mr.PayDay
Jan 2, 2004
life is short - play hard
LOL what, Athene was talking about Bitcoin 4 years ago https://youtu.be/iU8ie9QEzQk

(He is a former WoW and Hearthstone Streamer and Troll, just watch his grab the 10K video where he offered Forsen money up to 10k Dollar for testing his gaming for good stream tools and ended donating this to Sodapoppin or his early YT stuff where he got millions of clicks by monetizing his girlfriends (Tania) DD boobs via clickbait and her décolleté; he later explained how the team „exploited“ YouTube algorithms and Viewers.
He is wacky and a diva but not dumb and likes to be underestimated )

4 years later, he launched Purpose, an altruistic crypto currency:

„Purpose is a token built on the ERC-20 Token Standard that allows people to contribute to its altruistic objectives by holding it. Its primary feature is its ability to generate a second token called DUBI (Decentralized Universal Basic Income) that is supported by a large community of activists as well as an independent group of volunteer developers who work together towards increasing DUBI’s value, in preparation for eventually gradually distributing it among the world’s population. Distribution is to be facilitated on-chain with an allowance contract that grants each individual DUBI at a rate that can be set to equal that of the DUBI output of 1 to 100 Purpose, a process that also incorporates optional automated taxation for government compliance.

Purpose is only distributed for donations not towards its creator but towards charity and/or the above-mentioned volunteers who are collaborating on initiatives that support Purpose. It will also be available on exchanges when the tokens are claimable, which should be in the first quarter of 2018. In the meantime, Purpose continues to be reserved at Athene’s discretion for donations directly towards, for example, Save the Children on PRPS.io.

[...]
Athene is a well-known philanthropist who started the idea of Purpose to enable a new form of decentralized altruism that uses a Decentralized Universal Basic Income utility token to combat poverty and counteract the imminent global repercussions of industries’ increasing reliance on automation and AI.
Altruism and philanthropy are the foundation of Purpose and are the driving forces behind the community that supports it. As a result, holding Purpose and/or developing & supporting initiatives and software around it is of primary interest to its current owners.

In contrast to more feature-rich cryptocurrencies, Purpose’ functionality is rudimentary and its value primarily originates from its ideological objective and the future intrinsic value of Purpose integrated software. Purpose and its basic features are built on the idea of its supporters ‘hodling’ it, with the intent of contributing to its value and, by extension, its ability to do good. Consequently, supply is limited, which may maintain a high demand and steadily raise the value of Purpose. Furthermore, there are several simple added incentives for holding Purpose to ensure its ripple effect.

Beyond the altruistic driving force of its community that is committed to increasing its value, Purpose’s ‘HODL’ mechanism allows users to lock the token away with a smart contract for up to 12 months and instantly receive a 4% return in the form of a second token, called DUBI.
DUBI can be used in applications built by the development team with likely minimum equal value as Purpose. Moreover, it may be used to give its holders recognition and access within the community to features such as private message boards. Since technological functionality itself is rarely what drives the economy of cryptocurrencies on exchanges, Purpose incorporates specific elements and strategies that allow it to potentially respond exceptionally to scenarios wherein its community engages in trading and other independent initiatives that give Purpose and DUBI value. Exchange dynamics are often determined by fear, whether FOMO (fear of missing out) or FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt). Purpose’s ‘HODL’ feature makes it easy to overcome the latter while low supply and actively maintained marketing livestreams that mobilize its community may fuel FOMO. Purpose’s HODL culture is largely code-based rather than solely reliant on trust. Amount in circulation and amount of Purpose being ‘hodl’d’ can be tracked and seen on PRPS.io.“

More in the whitepaper.

https://www.prps.io
https://www.prps.io/Purpose.pdf
https://youtu.be/5M4hP8H1O24

Let’s see how a famous internet Troll (who on contrast does a lot for charity, seriously, he raised multi millions for charity https://youtu.be/-nMJdXJAHPA) is handling crypto currency.


I find this interesting so far and it fits in the Bitcoin thread because this Purpose project deconstructs the crypto currency in an Athene style way. At least he is trying to build something good.
(Edit: it is Athene after all so you never know if he is trolling; „if you want to invest into a scam, at least chose the right one“: he wrote. His charity work was ever honest, tho, so there is that.)
You can be sure, some trolling will be part of it:
https://youtu.be/wS9yN9YuDBg

Mr.PayDay fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jan 14, 2018

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