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Yeah my granddad was pretty horrible for the last couple of years of his life. It'd be good to have a medical professional's opinion though.
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Has anyone besides the Daily Mail actually corroborated the allegations against Stan Lee? My 10 second Google isn't bringing up anything.
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Eliza Dushku's former agent and a long-term friend of hers both back up her story. The agent told the producer of TRUE LIES (who was a woman) and was told "I'll look into it" and the matter was never addressed again: http://deadline.com/2018/01/eliza-dushku-former-agent-a-friend-confirm-sexual-assault-true-lies-set-nobody-did-anything-1202242890/
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A freelance editor has accused Aziz Ansari of forcing himself on a friend in a bathroom stall. Obviously none of these allegations are confirmed, but one has to wonder if this means we're seeing the first raindrops of a thunderstorm. Tart Kitty fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Jan 14, 2018 |
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For gently caress's sake, Tom. No wonder they stopped doing 'Tom Haverford the hound dog' plots on Parks and Rec. gently caress. poo poo like this makes you look at all their projects much more criticially, and goddamn is Parks and Rec creepy now.
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Jan 14, 2018 23:45
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Snowman_McK posted:For gently caress's sake, Tom. They probably stopped it because it got stale.
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Jan 14, 2018 23:47
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CelticPredator posted:They probably stopped it because it got stale. Or because a guy who won't take no for an answer is pretty loving creepy, and that's what Tom was for much of the show's early run.
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Jan 14, 2018 23:48
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Every man in Hollywood should preemptively and unconditionally apologize, right now, even if they're dead certain they didn't hurt anyone. Because they did. The TMZ isn't the studio zone, it's the perversion zone.
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McSpanky posted:Every man in Hollywood should preemptively and unconditionally apologize, right now, even if they're dead certain they didn't hurt anyone. Because they did. Good idea.
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It's actually really disappointing as I actually knew a lady who went out with Aziz for a bit and made him out to be this hyper respectful guy. It was nice to have eyewitness evidence of this guy being a decent dude and having faith that he was someone who probably wouldn't turn out to be lovely. Oh well, I'm an idiot. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jan 15, 2018 |
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Jan 15, 2018 01:07
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Snowman_McK posted:Or because a guy who won't take no for an answer is pretty loving creepy, and that's what Tom was for much of the show's early run. Tom never raped anyone. The only time I can recall him doing anything like that is when he was trying to win back his green card wife.!
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CelticPredator posted:Tom never raped anyone. The only time I can recall him doing anything like that is when he was trying to win back his green card wife.! I didn't say that he did. I said he never took no for an answer. He wears down Ann for two or three seasons. There's a creepy aspect of the character that they downplayed after the first two seasons.
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Ah yeah, the Ann stuff. I dunno, he was playing a creep and then developed into not one. There was a clear progression of the character where he gives his all and loses everything and picks himself out of that fairly well.
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CelticPredator posted:Ah yeah, the Ann stuff. I dunno, he was playing a creep and then developed into not one. There was a clear progression of the character where he gives his all and loses everything and picks himself out of that fairly well. it's like the "loving a coworker from afar" stuff with Boyle in the first season of Brooklyn 99. it's really uncomfortable to watch him pine over Rosa that obviously and obnoxiously (not for the exact reason early Tom was, but similar reasons), but once the writers developed the character a bit more and realized how stale and awkward that story is, the show gets a lot better. oh god I hope Joe Lo Trugilo isn't a creeper
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DC Murderverse posted:it's like the "loving a coworker from afar" stuff with Boyle in the first season of Brooklyn 99. it's really uncomfortable to watch him pine over Rosa that obviously and obnoxiously (not for the exact reason early Tom was, but similar reasons), but once the writers developed the character a bit more and realized how stale and awkward that story is, the show gets a lot better. I still think that romantic comedies and romance subplots hosed up people's ideas of relationships at least as much as porn.
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Inescapable Duck posted:I still think that romantic comedies and romance subplots hosed up people's ideas of relationships at least as much as porn. They did yeah.
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This isn't victim blaming or anything like that by any means, but the only thing I find odd about the Aziz story is that after she goes to the bathroom she doesn't get dressed and sits naked with Ansari for a while. It's kind of hidden in the story, but it's only later that she says they got dressed. It's not too discount what she's said in any way, but I guess if it was a genuine misread of signals on his part (and I don't think that it was) I can kinda see how that happens.
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CountFosco posted:How is your exaggeration of the actual condition of the US any better than the moral panicking you accuse it of, you hypocrite? Honestly, if you think that's an exaggeration you're not even worth talking to. A person doesn't even have to be "woke", the prison thread alone is enough.
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Which prison thread?
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jet sanchEz posted:Which prison thread? Yeah I was about to say the same, didn't the last one die ages ago?
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DrVenkman posted:This isn't victim blaming or anything like that by any means, but the only thing I find odd about the Aziz story is that after she goes to the bathroom she doesn't get dressed and sits naked with Ansari for a while. It's kind of hidden in the story, but it's only later that she says they got dressed.
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What Ansari did may or may not fall under some legal definition of sexual assault but it most certainly falls under the banner of loving pathetic behavior from someone who should know better, who publicly asserts to know better by his association with #Metoo and Time's Up campaigns, and nobody buys these wormy "sry misread the signs" excuses anymore.
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Timeless Appeal posted:I don't know, dude. That's kind of a gross assertion in context because it puts the presence of naked boobs on the same level of the clear verbal and non-verbal cues that "Grace" provided, if not above them. Right, but for someone like Ansari who is clearly thinking with his dick, what is her emerging from his bathroom if not a mixed signal. Nothing about it excuses his behaviour before or after what happened and that's not what I'm trying to do but it seems strange to me that she would go into the bathroom, 'compose' herself as she said and then emerge still undressed. Like I said, it's the only moment in the whole story that I don't actually understand a choice that she made.
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exquisite tea posted:What Ansari did may or may not fall under some legal definition of sexual assault but it most certainly falls under the banner of loving pathetic behavior from someone who should know better, who publicly asserts to know better by his association with #Metoo and Time's Up campaigns, and nobody buys these wormy "sry misread the signs" excuses anymore. What about it was so terrible? He sounds bad at the whole sex thing and a little pathetic but it's also a piece designed to make him look bad. I didn't see anything that made it seem clearly non-consensual.
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exquisite tea posted:What Ansari did may or may not fall under some legal definition of sexual assault but it most certainly falls under the banner of loving pathetic behavior from someone who should know better, who publicly asserts to know better by his association with #Metoo and Time's Up campaigns, and nobody buys these wormy "sry misread the signs" excuses anymore. The Atlantic sure as gently caress did. Careful, these takes are hot. quote:I thought it would take a little longer for the hit squad of privileged young white women to open fire on brown-skinned men. I had assumed that, on the basis of intersectionality and all that, they’d stay laser focused on college-educated white men for another few months. But we’re at warp speed now, and the revolution—in many ways so good and so important—is starting to sweep up all sorts of people into its conflagration: the monstrous, the cruel, and the simply unlucky. Apparently there is a whole country full of young women who don’t know how to call a cab, and who have spent a lot of time picking out pretty outfits for dates they hoped would be nights to remember. They’re angry and temporarily powerful and last night they destroyed a man who didn’t deserve it.
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Keeshhound posted:The Atlantic sure as gently caress did. That writer is real bad given that in November she was writing about how it's about time that in a post-Weinstein world all these men were taken to task. The whole thing just reads like, "Well I liked MASTER OF NONE so..." However, interestingly there has been quite a bit of response from women who have chalked it up to a lovely date. It's something that Grace herself tacitly admits when she tells him that he's just like other men. It's all about perspective I guess at the end of the day, it just made me surprised to see some reactions that I didn't really expect.
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DrVenkman posted:That writer is real bad given that in November she was writing about how it's about time that in a post-Weinstein world all these men were taken to task. The whole thing just reads like, "Well I liked MASTER OF NONE so..." Those aren't mutually exclusive. Weinstein was quite literally a serial rapist that used his connections to get hollywood bigwigs to threaten actresses into silence (didn't he also threaten to kill some actress?). Aziz Ansari had a bad date. Do you actually think it's hypocritical to condemn one and excuse the other?
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Aziz didn't have a "bad date." He was at best an inconsiderate rear end in a top hat to someone who was clearly giving him the benefit of a doubt and being pushy to someone who verbally said she was uncomfortable. That doesn't mean that we have to make this into a binary of all accused are rapists. What Aziz did is arguably not as bad as what Dan Harmon did which is arguably not as bad as what Louis CK did which is very much not as bad as what Weinstein did. And considering the fact that even someone like Weinstein might never actually face any actual legal justice and despite all he's lost will most likely live his life in extreme comfort, I don't think these guys are in particular need of defenders. The ultimate goal of the #metoo movement shouldn't be and practically can't be a game of whack-a-mole intended to get rid of every lovely guy. But what it can be is shift the power dynamics. If Aziz or any man who takes note for this story is better at stopping when someone says they're uncomfortable than that's a win.
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NovemberMike posted:Those aren't mutually exclusive. Weinstein was quite literally a serial rapist that used his connections to get hollywood bigwigs to threaten actresses into silence (didn't he also threaten to kill some actress?). Aziz Ansari had a bad date. Do you actually think it's hypocritical to condemn one and excuse the other? Someone else doing more wrong does not make the other wrong any less wrong.
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Timeless Appeal posted:The ultimate goal of the #metoo movement shouldn't be and practically can't be a game of whack-a-mole intended to get rid of every lovely guy. gently caress this. If there are still lovely guys out and about, there's more work to do.
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MiddleOne posted:Someone else doing more wrong does not make the other wrong any less wrong. Is there a reading comprehension issue here? That's not even close to what I said.
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21 Muns posted:gently caress this. If there are still lovely guys out and about, there's more work to do.
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I'm also super uncomfortable with the idea that this even is in any way Grace's fault. People latch on to her "you're all the same" comment like it indicates she has poor taste in men, but even if we buy into that narrative, so what? That doesn't absolve Ansari of being lovely, any more than someone not having their seatbelt buckled absolves the drunk who t-bones them.
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Keeshhound posted:I'm also super uncomfortable with the idea that this even is in any way Grace's fault. People latch on to her "you're all the same" comment like it indicates she has poor taste in men, but even if we buy into that narrative, so what? That doesn't absolve Ansari of being lovely, any more than someone not having their seatbelt buckled absolves the drunk who t-bones them. How would it be anybody's fault? If she had a bad date and it made her uncomfortable, then that's what happened. People should support her. It just isn't a zero sum game, where if she felt bad there had to be a monster behind the curtains. Aziz sounds like he was legitimately doing weird stuff, but from her description there was consent and he backed off when he understood she wanted him to so it's hard to see him as a terrible person.
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He badgered her into doing stuff she didn't want to do despite her refusing him several times. This is not tip-toeing the line, he clearly crossed it.
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Eh, nevermind.
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Reads like Aziz was coked out of it, but eh, they are hardly going to have illicit substances in their for public consumption piece.
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NovemberMike posted:How would it be anybody's fault? If she had a bad date and it made her uncomfortable, then that's what happened. People should support her. It just isn't a zero sum game, where if she felt bad there had to be a monster behind the curtains. Aziz sounds like he was legitimately doing weird stuff, but from her description there was consent and he backed off when he understood she wanted him to so it's hard to see him as a terrible person. Nah she outright said no, he reassured her, then didn't stop.
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Joel Kramer has been dropped from his agency in light of Eliza Dushku’s allegations of sexual assault against him. Considering how prolific a career he’s had, and how many of his movies featured child or young adult actors, I wonder if more is waiting in the wings for him to get so definitively canned. I mean, I hope to god there’s not, but the patterns on these types of situations speak for themselves.
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Inescapable Duck posted:I still think that romantic comedies and romance subplots hosed up people's ideas of relationships at least as much as porn. I think far more so. Porn, with very few exceptions, presents itself as an over the top fantasy, and people's viewing of it tends to be restricted to a particular function (getting off) and people who take it seriously are few and far between, while tv shows and films are the thing you talke about with people to show you're part of society, like the weather or sports. That reinforces their implied values much more strongly, while porn is more a representation of our id and a symptom of the rest of our culture. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jan 15, 2018 |
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