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food court bailiff posted:Counterpoint: I saw him at a flea market where he had a table where you could pay thirty bucks for a signed soup ladle, and he spent the whole time clearly annoying a retired porn star who had a table next to him. How many "wanna spoon?" lines did he try out?
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Solice Kirsk posted:How many "wanna spoon?" lines did he try out? I don't know man I tried to stay away from his table, he kept glaring at people when they walked by instead of paying for his overpriced kitchenware. The porn star lady literally moved her seat further and further away from him as time passed, though. I tripped over Dustin Diamond twice that night, he's kinda short and doesn't look where he's going. It was kind of a weird time.
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Jan 13, 2018 17:13
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Did he stab you?
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The real issue is why Ross, the largest of the friends, didn't simply eat the other five.
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Jan 13, 2018 18:28
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Friends is very progressive in that it shows a borderline mentally retarded man can still be a rich actor and pull mad pussy
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Jan 13, 2018 18:36
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Acebuckeye13 posted:The real issue is why Ross, the largest of the friends, didn't simply eat the other five. Pantry of Five was a different show.
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Jan 13, 2018 18:42
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oldpainless posted:Friends is very progressive in that it shows a borderline mentally retarded man can still be a rich actor and pull mad pussy Im pretty sure Joey was bulimic. You have to watch out for the meat sweats. Friend's had its issues, but there's no denying that was one well written show.
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Jan 13, 2018 18:52
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I don't mind when something is portrayed incorrectly if it's clear that there is a purpose to it - for example, in the old movie Heathers - the Heather who takes over the clique after the primary Heather dies is bulimic. She snaps out of it fairly suddenly, but it is because her Bulimia is a symbol of her lack of control over her life due to every aspect being controlled by the primary Heather - after she dies, she takes control of the clique herself and her Bulimia stops about there - the next scene is her devouring practically an entire chicken in the locker room, probably starving after her constant purging of every nutrient she took in, and when questioned on whether she feels the "Urge to Purge" her response is simply "gently caress it." as she tosses a bone over her shoulder. It's not a fat joke, it's not trying to be a realistic portrayal of bulimia, she is just finally able to be herself and truly do whatever she feels the need to do, now that that freedom is hers. When the main character confronts her towards the end with "Why are you such a bitch?", Her response is a summation of her development - "Because I can be" The bulimia is portrayed the way it is with a purpose in mind and it works because of that.
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Jan 13, 2018 19:01
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Nothing will ever top the DENNIS System.
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oldpainless posted:Friends is very progressive in that it shows a borderline mentally retarded man can still be a rich actor and pull mad pussy That was the spin-off, Joey. He's still a d-lister at best by the end of Friends.
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Jan 13, 2018 20:12
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Barudak posted:That was the spin-off, Joey. He's still a d-lister at best by the end of Friends. He co-starred with an academy award winning actor in a big ww1 movie in universe Also yes Ross is a gross monster and Rachel should ended up with Joey, they had way more in common and Joey never belittled her and Rachel actually cared about Joey's career and interests
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Jan 13, 2018 20:50
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Nothing will ever top the DENNIS System. How so? If anything Dennis got crazier after that season to the point where he's alluded to being an actual serial killer/rapist. The characters have basically just spread out further and further into things that were previously just background jokes they threw at each other. If they threw an episode from season 12 into season 1 people would be like WTF is happening, these people are literal monsters
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Calaveron posted:Rachel should ended up with Joey, they had way more in common and Joey never belittled her and Rachel actually cared about Joey's career and interests Something I read many years ago is that VERY broadly speaking: Ross is what women want men to be like Joey is what women think men are like Chandler is what men are actually like Rachel is what men want women to be like Phoebe is what men think women are like Monica is what women are actually like Ross and Rachel - the two "ideal" characters ended up together, as did Chandler and Monica - the two "real" ones. And IIRC there was a plan to get Joey and Phoebe together too at some point.
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Sweevo posted:Something I read many years ago is that VERY broadly speaking: The whole thing falls apart at literally the first sentence. Nobody wants anybody to be like Ross.
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Garrand posted:The whole thing falls apart at literally the first sentence. Nobody wants anybody to be like Ross. I could kinda see it in season 1. Ross starts out as a stable, moneyed, intelligent homemakery kinda dude with a reasonable line of dry wit. Loyal to a fault - even when his ex-wife fucks him over - moderate in his habits and constantly going to great lengths to help others. Compared to the neurotic self-loathing homophobe Chandler [who relentlessly fucks over Janice for no reason] and the pure idiot Id of Joe, he seems like by far the most dateable choice. Then he turns into a jealous goon. Then he metamorphoses even further into a shrieking histrionic creep.
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I loved Ross because I was a little kid and he was a paleontologist and that was what I was going to be when I grew up. Unfortunately I ultimately ended up getting my PhD in video games rather than dinosaurs
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Calaveron posted:He co-starred with an academy award winning actor in a big ww1 movie in universe Thats in season 7. There are 10 seasons and in later ones he's doing odd jobs again and admitting acting has dried up for him while he slums it. Hell even when he gets his role back as Dr. Drake Remoray in Joey its revealed he lost that job too.
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It really is a bummer how frequently trans people are the butts of jokes in 90s sitcoms!!! I'm looking at you, Frasier, who should know better
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:It really is a bummer how frequently trans people are the butts of jokes in 90s sitcoms!!! I'm looking at you, Frasier, who should know better Unfortunately it seems it was more of a "Hollywood in general" type of situation. Ace Ventura comes to mind. Or any other movie where inclusiveness translated to "hey, what if the killer was a trans person?!". Also considering Frasier was a show where Kelsey Grammer had a lot of stroke and he's a very conservative person (dude tried to start a right-wing TV network in the 90's), I'm not too surprised that type of poo poo flew on Frasier. El Gallinero Gros has a new favorite as of 05:24 on Jan 14, 2018 |
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I've been occasionally watching old episodes of The Simpsons. I'm up to season two, and this scene surprised me for how well its aged. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyNibSX6aP8 In case that's blocked for anyone, it's the "never kiss a fool" scene from season 2, episode 2, Simpson and Delilah.
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SpacePig posted:I used to work at a bank, so I'd kinda disagree, but bank heist movies and games and whatnot are still pretty entertaining to me. Off topic, but what's a bank heist game? Only ones I can think of are in the Batman Arkham series.
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BiggerBoat posted:Off topic, but what's a bank heist game? Only ones I can think of are in the Batman Arkham series. Payday, Payday 2, I think at least one of the Kane and Lynch games is about a bank heist, multiple GTA plots
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Payday is basically a game that attempts to recreate the heist from Heat. Similar levels are found in the GTA games and Kane and Lynch 1. Monaco is a more whimsical heist game. Stealth, Inc. is somewhere in between. The Thief and Dishonored games tend to involve stealing things, but are solo affairs.
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BiggerBoat posted:Off topic, but what's a bank heist game? Only ones I can think of are in the Batman Arkham series. There's a fun if janky PS2 game called The Plan which is basically Ocean's 7 - you have a bunch of specialist characters who either stealth, infiltrate or shoot their way to their objectives on the way to loving over an ex-colleague who screwed them in the intro by trashing his deal (he's trying to steal twin paintings by Rembrandt and sell them to the mafia in exchange for a diamond). It's really satisfying to watch him start to panick as not only do you steal both paintings, but also the Mafia's diamond so he's under pressure from both sides as the Mafia think he's trying to screw them and he has no idea where the hell his paintings have gone. Also the characters are controlled 3 at a time so you can have them work in concert - the screen is split into a main lower screen for the primary character and two small upper screens for their backup - pressing L1 and/or R1 while running will control the other characters simultaneously, or you can switch between the screens with the L2 and R2 buttons.
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BiggerBoat posted:Off topic, but what's a bank heist game? Only ones I can think of are in the Batman Arkham series. Grand Theft Auto 5 probably has the most in depth heist missions cause there's a huge build up and you can choose who you want to bring etc but it's not always that. It's the main storyline but it only happens like 4 times in a game that is countless other missions, but it's definitely the highlight
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Barudak posted:That was the spin-off, Joey. He's still a d-lister at best by the end of Friends. Friend, I invite you to watch BBC + Showtime's "Episodes". it's sublime and absolutely redeems Matt Leblanc.
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lamey_whinehouse posted:Friend, I invite you to watch BBC + Showtime's "Episodes". it's sublime and absolutely redeems Matt Leblanc.
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Hitman occasionally has you stealing things on top of killing people too.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Hitman occasionally has you stealing things on top of killing people too. That's illegal, 47.
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Volcott posted:That's illegal, 47. I am not a number!
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Unfortunately it seems it was more of a "Hollywood in general" type of situation. Ace Ventura comes to mind. Or any other movie where inclusiveness translated to "hey, what if the killer was a trans person?!". I don't remember Frasier ever being belittling of trans people. Or gay people.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I don't remember Frasier ever being belittling of trans people. Or gay people. You must never have watched Frasier then. It wasn’t super pointed, but it was there.
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Do you mean the show as a whole or the Frasier character? The general gay panic stuff was in all the 90s shows, but I don't recall the Frasier character really belittling any sex/gender/lifestyle.
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I remember one episode when Frasier says "Niles is abroad" and a character that's in prison says, "That must have hurt." Is that what we're talking about? Cause that's pretty tame even for today.
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Obviously the 90s werent the worst time to be LGBT but its when exposure to the mainstream was really ramping up and the backlash was palatable. Elementary school kids saying fag or gay was acceptable behavior. You have to temper your expectations in basically any 90s show. Edit: and while I agree its proof they've aged poorly, the point was picking out specific sitcoms is missing the forest for the trees.
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Hence they've aged badly, I'm just not sure that Frasier (of all shows) is one to call out for being bad. Gil is the only thing I can think of that was using someone's sexuality as the butt of the joke. And even that was more aimed at him being closeted than being gay. Bulldog was bad though. Dude would be in prison if it wasn't a tv show.
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For instance in an episode I just watched Roz talks a caller, who says he feels "trapped" into claiming that he's a "woman trapped in a man's body" in order to increase ratings. While part of the joke is Roz's unscrupulosity for ratings, it also implies that being trans is something scandalous, titillating, or inherently funny, and I won't stand for that. The call could have been sexed up without going for the sex change joke. "Woman trapped in a man's body," "used to be a dude," it's all over the sitcoms, and I shake my head when I hear it.
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Mu Zeta posted:Do you mean the show as a whole or the Frasier character? The general gay panic stuff was in all the 90s shows, but I don't recall the Frasier character really belittling any sex/gender/lifestyle. There was the episode where some gay guy thinks frasier is gay and hitting on him. Which was both funny and entirely respectful towards the gay character. Edit: given that about 80% of the cast were gay, it's not entirely surprising that the shows were written without horrible jokes or stereotypes. spog has a new favorite as of 00:51 on Jan 16, 2018 |
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spog posted:There was the episode where some gay guy thinks frasier is gay and hitting on him. There was also another episode where Fraiser mistakenly walks into a gay bar, is recognized and gets publicly "outed". At first he is annoyed but he begins to just roll with it and when a opera director (Patrick Stewart) he greatly admires starts showing interest in him. They don't have sex because the director is always celibate during rehearsals but the two are still dating when the episode ends with Fraiser deciding to at least wait until after their trip to Italy to come out as straight. I think there is at least one more episode where someone mistakenly thinks Fraiser is gay because of some odd coincidence but I can´t recall the specifics..
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