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Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

idgi is that supposed to be good?

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Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

idgi is that supposed to be good?
For the OS drive (which usually robs 500 QD1 4K random read IOPs), yeah by miles

SamDabbers
May 26, 2003



Yeah that's pretty drat good, especially for the price.

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE
I have a 960 EVO that I installed in an M2 slot that's right in between the top PCI-e slot and the CPU socket, and then installed the dinky little "heatsink" that came with the motherboard (it's more like a solid block of aluminium with a thermal pad on the bottom) on top of it. Since it's crammed in between the back plate of the graphics card and the CPU cooler, it naturally gets pretty toasty and it sits around 50-60 degrees C most of the time. Now, I have some vague recollection that NAND storage actually wants to be pretty warm, but I just figured I'd check if anyone knows if there are any articles about longer term effects of this stuff. There is a second slot on the board way down at the bottom that I could move it to, but I think the airflow there might not necessarily be better - it's just not quite as close to a bunch of hot things.

Relatedly, anyone know the difference between the two temp sensors on the 960 EVO? Wild rear end guess says controller vs NAND but which is which?

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


I found out that my benchmark results with my 960Evo are down, but not by 50% - flashing the card BIOS improved it.

It's around 15% down at 4k reads since pre patch though. But this is a terrible benchmark since I have now:
- installed the Samsung driver
- updated the SSD bios
- patched windows

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

Bench of my mx500 1tb that i got yesterday
code:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
CrystalDiskMark 6.0.0 Shizuku Edition x64 (C) 2007-2017 hiyohiyo
                          Crystal Dew World : [url]https://crystalmark.info/[/url]
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* MB/s = 1,000,000 bytes/s [SATA/600 = 600,000,000 bytes/s]
* KB = 1000 bytes, KiB = 1024 bytes

   Sequential Read (Q= 32,T= 1) :   557.852 MB/s
  Sequential Write (Q= 32,T= 1) :   505.468 MB/s
  Random Read 4KiB (Q=  8,T= 8) :   342.436 MB/s [  83602.5 IOPS]
 Random Write 4KiB (Q=  8,T= 8) :   128.896 MB/s [  31468.7 IOPS]
  Random Read 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :   303.764 MB/s [  74161.1 IOPS]
 Random Write 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :   130.540 MB/s [  31870.1 IOPS]
  Random Read 4KiB (Q=  1,T= 1) :    37.537 MB/s [   9164.3 IOPS]
 Random Write 4KiB (Q=  1,T= 1) :    96.148 MB/s [  23473.6 IOPS]

  Test : 1024 MiB [C: 56.0% (509.7/909.9 GiB)] (x5)  [Interval=5 sec]
  Date : 2018/01/14 12:16:08
    OS : Windows 10  [10.0 Build 16299] (x64)
  
:mmmhmm:

Intel 750 nvme

code:
CrystalDiskMark 6.0.0 x64 (C) 2007-2017 hiyohiyo
                          Crystal Dew World : [url]https://crystalmark.info/[/url]
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* MB/s = 1,000,000 bytes/s [SATA/600 = 600,000,000 bytes/s]
* KB = 1000 bytes, KiB = 1024 bytes

   Sequential Read (Q= 32,T= 1) :  2346.736 MB/s
  Sequential Write (Q= 32,T= 1) :  1037.078 MB/s
  Random Read 4KiB (Q=  8,T= 8) :  1461.880 MB/s [ 356904.3 IOPS]
 Random Write 4KiB (Q=  8,T= 8) :   826.666 MB/s [ 201822.8 IOPS]
  Random Read 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :   618.606 MB/s [ 151026.9 IOPS]
 Random Write 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :   534.515 MB/s [ 130496.8 IOPS]
  Random Read 4KiB (Q=  1,T= 1) :    44.518 MB/s [  10868.7 IOPS]
 Random Write 4KiB (Q=  1,T= 1) :   268.138 MB/s [  65463.4 IOPS]

  Test : 1024 MiB [C: 59.3% (220.8/372.1 GiB)] (x5)  [Interval=5 sec]
  Date : 2018/01/16 11:47:53
    OS : Windows 10  [10.0 Build 16299] (x64)
  

Naffer
Oct 26, 2004

Not a good chemist
Is it weird that the 4k random writes are faster than the corresponding reads?

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Naffer posted:

Is it weird that the 4k random writes are faster than the corresponding reads?
no

mostly to do with how SSDs (and nand flash) work really

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️
Looking forward to the NVME MX500 numbers, hope there isn't a big premium over an equivalently-sized SATA version.

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?
Is there any practical difference between 2D and 3D NAND for M2 SSDs other than $50?

WD Blue 1TB PC SSD - SATA 6 Gb/s M.2 2280 Solid State Drive - WDS100T1G1B0B [Old Version] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LYOKOJI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_pfjyAbXKRV369

WD Blue 3D NAND 1TB PC SSD - SATA III 6 Gb/s M.2 2280 Solid State Drive - WDS100T2B0B https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073SB2MXT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fjjyAbMBR5HZW

I need extra space for my Steam library and mods. Windows is already on a 1TB NVME drive (that Toshiba one).

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

No, but the first link is quoting a used price.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
Theoretically 3D NAND might have a larger process, therefore it could have better longevity.

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

No, but the first link is quoting a used price.

Oh, good catch! Non-used are also $300, so I might as well go with 3D NAND when I pull the trigger.

Thank you!

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

For the OS drive (which usually robs 500 QD1 4K random read IOPs), yeah by miles

I wonder what the real world use difference is compared to, say, a 840 EVO?

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

OhFunny posted:

I wonder what the real world use difference is compared to, say, a 840 EVO?
An 840 EVO is going to have serious drops in overall performance as it gets filled up

the MX500 loses only like 7% in sequential when filled and micron's habit of overprovisioning 28% for consumer drives leaves IOPs relatively untouched

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

An 840 EVO is going to have serious drops in overall performance as it gets filled up

the MX500 loses only like 7% in sequential when filled and micron's habit of overprovisioning 28% for consumer drives leaves IOPs relatively untouched

Oh that's good to know. Thanks.

My 1 TB 840 EVO's got 118GB free space left and I've been putting things on my HDD. May be time to do away with the spinner.

Naffer
Oct 26, 2004

Not a good chemist

Shaocaholica posted:

Guh do I need to register my SSDs now?....nah gently caress it. Ain’t got no time to reg the 1000s of parts I have.

GL with Don. Keep us posted.
Don saga seems to be nearing a conclusion.

They accepted my RMA and just sent a tracking number. From the status email, it looks like PNY opted to replace my failing 3.5 year old 240G XLR8 Pro drive with a 480GB CS131.
I'm bummed that I had a drive failure but at least I didn't lose my data and the RMA process was totally painless.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Samsung Announces 860 PRO And 860 EVO

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Naffer posted:

Don saga seems to be nearing a conclusion.

They accepted my RMA and just sent a tracking number. From the status email, it looks like PNY opted to replace my failing 3.5 year old 240G XLR8 Pro drive with a 480GB CS131.
I'm bummed that I had a drive failure but at least I didn't lose my data and the RMA process was totally painless.

Thats good because the last RMA I did with PNY sucked. But this was a long time ago. Good to hear they are doing better.

GigaFuzz
Aug 10, 2009

I'm looking to replace all the HDDs in our office PCs (x8) with SSDs, and the 250GB Crucial MX500 is cheaper on Amazon that all the other decent drives I'd consider: MX300, 850 Evo, WD Blue 3D at similar capacities.

I know it's early days but is the MX500 looking like a decent bet?

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

GigaFuzz posted:

I'm looking to replace all the HDDs in our office PCs (x8) with SSDs, and the 250GB Crucial MX500 is cheaper on Amazon that all the other decent drives I'd consider: MX300, 850 Evo, WD Blue 3D at similar capacities.

I know it's early days but is the MX500 looking like a decent bet?
The MX500 pretty much replaces the MX300, is directly competitive with the 850 Evo, and it being cheaper is a bonus.

Cygni
Nov 12, 2005

raring to post


That $330 MSRP for the 1TB M.2 is interesting, that's cheaper than the current 850 EVO version. But it's still SATA, apparently has the same performance as the 850, and the MX500 M.2 is coming with a $260 MSRP. Meh.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

Intel just launched the 760p series as well: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12349/the-intel-ssd-760p-512gb-review

They're still using 3rd party controllers but performance is a lot better than the 600p, and for slightly less money.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Hmm $649.99 for a 2TB 860 EVO vs $499.99 for a 2TB Crucial MX500 seems to put Samsung at a disadvantage.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

if the 860 pro review is anything to go by, 80 (because you know it's always going to be on perma-"discount") to 150 dollar markup for a minor improvement over something within 2 percent of the 850 evo isn't very compelling.

and i'm not sure samsung has the inertia with solid state drives as intel does with CPUs, OEMs (which are most of the sales) love sandisk more than anyone else.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Looks like samsung is directly selling 850 EVOs for decent prices (250GB for $89.99, 500GB for $139.99, etc). I've seen cheaper but they're reasonable:
https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/solid-state-drives/ssd-850-evo-2-5-sata-iii-500gb-mz-75e500b-am/

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

if the 860 pro review is anything to go by, 80 (because you know it's always going to be on perma-"discount") to 150 dollar markup for a minor improvement over something within 2 percent of the 850 evo isn't very compelling.

and i'm not sure samsung has the inertia with solid state drives as intel does with CPUs, OEMs (which are most of the sales) love sandisk more than anyone else.

I go as far as to say if you take the 860 Pro over a much faster (raw) 960 Evo which also costs around the same GB/$, you are pretty much an idiot, much less the far cheaper (and lol still faster) MX500.

Palladium fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Jan 24, 2018

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Intel's also beating the new 900-series Samsung NVMe drives to market with the 760p, and the 512GB has a $199 MSRP.

It doesn't have 3000MB/sec speeds, but honestly do you *need* that?

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

BIG HEADLINE posted:

It doesn't have 3000MB/sec speeds, but honestly do you *need* that?

:frogout:

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
This is what ya'll need



(Asus and some other companies have this too)

Getcher VROC unlock!

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

Wonder how 4 800ps compare to a single 900p in that

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

So why does anybody care about VROC anyway? Is the performance significantly better than software raid? I get that it's bootable, but if you're throwing money at multiple NVME SSDs you can also just get some small drive to be the boot volume for the same price as your VROC key.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Kind of a moot point, as the 512GB *does* have 3000MB+/sec speeds: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12349/the-intel-ssd-760p-512gb-review

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


priznat posted:

This is what ya'll need



(Asus and some other companies have this too)

Getcher VROC unlock!

Lol that fan

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



priznat posted:

This is what ya'll need



(Asus and some other companies have this too)

Getcher VROC unlock!

Are you supposed to mount a duct cover on the card after installing the M.2 sticks, to control the air flow? Otherwise that fan makes no sense.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

priznat posted:

This is what ya'll need



(Asus and some other companies have this too)

Getcher VROC unlock!
Definitely Asrock's C-team, because they'd normally add 4 more m.2 slots on the rear side of the card.

thebigcow
Jan 3, 2001

Bully!
https://www.asrock.com/mb/spec/product.asp?Model=ULTRA%20QUAD%20M.2%20CARD

Look at the fifth picture, I'm guessing the fan shroud doubles as a heatsink.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Yeah there is a shroud that has thermal pads for the m.2s as well as acts as a duct for the fan.

B-Nasty
May 25, 2005

I like the piece of black, hockey stick tape used to hold down the fan's power leads.

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Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

Definitely Asrock's C-team, because they'd normally add 4 more m.2 slots on the rear side of the card.

4x4 = 16

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