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I miss Grantland; outside of Simmons' columns, there was some really incredible writing and reporting there. The Ringer is much more lowkey, but it's also really good I think that Magary's point was that Simmons has so much influence, being given carte blanche with both Grantland and Ringer, that his me me me attitude is what remains extremely grating. Of course, that's what how he got to the very top, but he stopped being the fan as a sportswriter once he started bumping elbows with the athletes. he's entirely unrelatable at this point in his career, just coasting off what made him famous
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Why are they getting so self-rightously mad about Bill Simmons writing a dumb homer column for the 5000th time and why is it in like the same "SIR HOW DARE YOU SIR" tone that you'd use on like the president saying the n word or something I don't think it's like that at all? It's super fun to call Bill Simmons a dummy
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making fun of Simmons for only knowing 6 movies, for being a tech bro/ Boston sycophant, and for generally being terrible at structuring and making an argument is fantastic and I enjoy reading it. The fact that he places himself in the same discussion of David Halberstam to attack a perfectly reasonable story about inter-office politics is a new level of WTF.
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BWV posted:making fun of Simmons for only knowing 6 movies, for being a tech bro/ Boston sycophant, and for generally being terrible at structuring and making an argument is fantastic and I enjoy reading it. And, as Magary pointed out, he praised how Halberstam didn’t need quotes, but then Simmons himself just quotes his buddies, seemingly nobodies.
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Carlosologist posted:I miss Grantland; outside of Simmons' columns, there was some really incredible writing and reporting there. The Ringer is much more lowkey, but it's also really good I know The Ringer carries over much of Grantland’s staff and writers, but that Deadspin piece that called The Ringer inessential was spot-on. Granted they likely don’t have nearly the same budget that Grantland did, but I don’t see many links to Ringer content on my timeline, nor do I feel compelled to check it out even weekly.
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This article is awesome and like a Jon Bois video in word form. http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21986511/what-happen-baseball-game-went-50-innings
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axeil posted:This article is awesome and like a Jon Bois video in word form. Sam Miller and Jon Bois are very much on the same wavelength.
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MourningView posted:I don't think it's like that at all? It's super fun to call Bill Simmons a dummy It's also an easy write and way to get clicks on a Friday.
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Personally, I think Bill made some great points
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MourningView posted:I don't think it's like that at all? It's super fun to call Bill Simmons a dummy Dunking on Bill Simmons is like dunking on a small child: it's easy, fun, and everyone should do it.
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Inspector_666 posted:Sam Miller and Jon Bois are very much on the same wavelength. In this current climate where literally any show/movie can get green-lighted, could we please get a 17776 faux-documentary? Or like a full 30 for 30 series set in the 17776 universe?
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I think this got missed in all the Bill Simmons / John Skipper / ESPN stuff last month, but Deadspin's looking for a new editor in chief, as Marchman was promoted to run Gizmodo's "special projects desk." If they promote Petchesky to take over... 
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David Roth could be a pretty good if slightly boring EIC but I doubt he's been there long enough
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I hear Daulerio is available
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i am the new deadspin editor in chief, our biggest story: is derrick rose back
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R.D. Mangles posted:i am the new deadspin editor in chief, our biggest story: oddibe mcdaniel's water bill
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The media (or in this case pretty much THE media) wondering why things don't get media coverage will never stop being hilarious to me.
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I get the wondering from OTL, and they're not entirely wrong to ask it because there really hasn't been that much coverage about Nassar, but come the gently caress on, guys.
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DJExile posted:I get the wondering from OTL, and they're not entirely wrong to ask it because there really hasn't been that much coverage about Nassar, but come the gently caress on, guys. Compares to how much coverage the Aziz Ansari story got, Nassar is flying completely under the radar which is unfortunate
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The scope of it and the cover-up arguably dwarfs even the Sandusky scandal.quote:
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Compares to how much coverage the Aziz Ansari story got, Nassar is flying completely under the radar which is unfortunate Most of that is based off of the sheer number of people defending Ansari and the people getting indignant at those people for defending him. As opposed to this guy who everyone just wants to see buried in a hole. It's not appropriate, but that's culture for you.
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It's worse than Sandusky, except in the backlash.
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Kalli posted:Most of that is based off of the sheer number of people defending Ansari and the people getting indignant at those people for defending him. Also, people know who Aziz Ansari is. People only know who Nasser is in relation to the people he assaulted, which makes it a much less...zeigeisty? type of story.
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Kalli posted:Most of that is based off of the sheer number of people defending Ansari and the people getting indignant at those people for defending him. Well it also blew up because the previously unknown outlet that broke the Ansari story knew about the girl’s experience somehow and went to her about putting it on their site, so there’s a whole subset of people that aren’t defending him but are making GBS threads all over this site for basically exploiting the movement to make a name for themselves. And not that this excuses anything, but from the second the story broke, the whole world knew the book was being thrown at Nasser so there’s no suspense element there. Again, that doesn’t justify it, but when it’s essentially a foregone conclusion, it kills a lot of the General interest. Raisman was on 60 minutes about it though. Truther Vandross fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jan 17, 2018 |
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sportsgenius86 posted:And not that this excuses anything, but from the second the story broke, the whole world knew the book was being thrown at Nasser so there’s no suspense element there. Again, that doesn’t justify it, but when it’s essentially a foregone conclusion, it kills a lot of the General interest. Raisman was on 60 minutes about it though. This is a fair point.
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The PSU outrage was turned to 11 because the dumb idiots vocally and repeatedly defended their god-coach
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Also, PSU and JoePa were big, important parts of a big, important American institution (college football). Women's gymnastics is that thing people fitfully pay attention to for two weeks every four years.
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I don't think it's very constructive to rank mass child molestations and their cover-ups. But as has been pointed out before, people care about football at all times, and gymnastics for two weeks every four years. Thus, minimal coverage. On the bright side, that means you won't have massive groups of students and alumni saying that the enablers were treated unfairly, and there won't be any NASSAR INNOCENT truthers. Hopefully Twistars gets taken down.
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It didn’t help that of the two people anyone cared about, Raisman had already gone to 60 Minutes and Maroney had an NDA from USA Gymnastics (which is a whole different disgusting discussion), so there wasn’t really a face for ESPN to put forward that people knew or cared about.
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i think the fact we only care about gymnastics for 2 weeks 2-3 times a decade doesn't help
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sportsgenius86 posted:It didn’t help that of the two people anyone cared about, Raisman had already gone to 60 Minutes and Maroney had an NDA from USA Gymnastics (which is a whole different disgusting discussion), so there wasn’t really a face for ESPN to put forward that people knew or cared about. I thought I saw a headline today or yesterday stating that USAG wouldn't pursue any lawsuits in regards to Maroney's NDA. Which is good in a "if you did it, it would be the worst possible look for an organization that is already in the crosshairs" kind of way.
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The Paterno poo poo was crazy too because it felt like it was unfolding in real time. I remember following what was happening and seeing live looks at PSU to see how students were reacting. Statues were getting defaced, people were saying weird things. It felt nuts.
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It's obvious as to why this is happening: 1. Football > Gymnastics in terms of the public eye. 2. Joe Pa was a much more famous coach, in part due to 1.
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How did the Sandusky thing break again? With Nassar one of the craziest parts is that he's not in jail for molestation, but having 37 THOUSAND images of child porn.
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There's also the underlying current that society is far more offended by male on male pedophilia then male on female.
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The Sandusky thing is easier to digest and feel appropriate outrage over- covering a up rape to protect a football program is comprehensible, it confirms a long-held feelings and suspicions about football wielding disproportionate power on campus. It's a terrible thing, but it's something we can assign motive to. Nassar (despite his tenure and office) seems so comparatively small-potatoes and low stakes (in the grand scheme of college athletics) that it just kind of boggles the mind why he'd be worth protecting, even looking at it from an amoral perspective. There's sort of nowhere you can run with it narratively beyond shrugging your shoulders and saying "man, I guess people are really averse to having to be the one to deal with this stuff."
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General Dog posted:The Sandusky thing is easier to digest and feel appropriate outrage over- covering a up rape to protect a football program is comprehensible, it confirms a long-held feelings and suspicions about football wielding disproportionate power on campus. It's a terrible thing, but it's something we can assign motive to. Even the parents didn't want to deal with it. The dad who didn't believe his daughter until he loving choked her, then eventually killed himself, is a story all it's own.
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