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I just bought an AMD Vega 64 GPU. Pretty cool to see that it runs well with an entirely open source graphics stack (after installing Fedora Rawhide to get the rc kernel that has AMDs dump of 150k lines of graphics stuff in it). Less cool that I still need to install proprietary userspace blobs to get working OpenCL, and these are only supported on retrocomputing systems like RHEL 7.2 and Ubuntu LTS.
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Athas posted:I just bought an AMD Vega 64 GPU. Pretty cool to see that it runs well with an entirely open source graphics stack (after installing Fedora Rawhide to get the rc kernel that has AMDs dump of 150k lines of graphics stuff in it). the situation with cuda is p similar. fedora 26’s gcc is too new for the latest cuda.
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skipping some number of posts to ask if fedora still is the best linux distro for studies/hobby programming/the like until apple releases a new macbook? no gentoo or arch, thanks in advance, but no hard preferences for visual shell or anything either
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cinci zoo sniper posted:skipping some number of posts to ask if fedora still is the best linux distro for studies/hobby programming/the like until apple releases a new macbook? no gentoo or arch, thanks in advance, but no hard preferences for visual shell or anything either CentOS in the streets, Fedora in the sheets.
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Jan 17, 2018 12:42
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cinci zoo sniper posted:skipping some number of posts to ask if fedora still is the best linux distro for studies/hobby programming/the like until apple releases a new macbook? no gentoo or arch, thanks in advance, but no hard preferences for visual shell or anything either It’s good for everyday use in my opinion. It would depend more on your hobby programming requirements... you might benefit from a wider package selection like what Ubuntu has. Or you might need to use a more long term distribution like CentOS if you need to install stuff like commercial packages. But definitely try Fedora first and see how it feels.
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el dorito posted:It’s good for everyday use in my opinion. It would depend more on your hobby programming requirements... you might benefit from a wider package selection like what Ubuntu has. Or you might need to use a more long term distribution like CentOS if you need to install stuff like commercial packages. ive used fedora before and it was fully needs suiting, just checking if there isnt some new hot poo poo aorund. my only problem is that occasionally a thing will have a debian-based package
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Jan 17, 2018 16:11
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TimWinter posted:Who do I talk to if I want an ubuntu desktop environment built around i3. I know the whole "Linux means choice" crowd particularly glom onto i3, but why can't my one choice be i3 and the rest of my choices be the standard network manager and keyboard shortcut handler. https://askubuntu.com/questions/65083/what-kinds-of-desktop-environments-and-shells-are-available#answer-413187 Lots of great low-overhead window managers on Ubuntu, I use xubuntu myself since Unity is a resource beast and my pc cant cope, but ahh good luck with i3. Linux means choice (but not your choice)
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Jan 17, 2018 16:38
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the correct answer is: yes, fedora is still the correct choice
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yes, some combination of fedora and rhel/centos is the only valid linux
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having not touched Linux in most of 2017, but having touched it a lot prior: Ubuntu has a lot of older packages mixed with new, can cause trouble with some stuff. unity is useless as a wm so you have to install something else or go for Ubuntu Gnome or whatever Debian stable is usually pretty coherent but far from bleeding edge. good if you want a barebones, customizable distribution though Arch is a real pain to set up, hard to set up right, but if you have unlimited free time it’s fun to do. if your employer lets you dick around enough that you can install arch, they are a big idiot Fedora is usually reasonably up to date and uses gods own desktop, Gnome 3. I haven’t had any trouble using vendor tool chains or what have you on fedora. Centos is the Debian stable of fedora. it’s well supported by vendors etc but you might have trouble if you’re working on open source projects that assume everyone is on bleeding edge arch
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Rufus Ping posted:debian testing The end goal of debian unstable is to make your PC unbootable. Let someone else test packages.
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The best linux documentation is found on the arch wiki because they do everything the hard way. Arch users are the perfect storm of smart, diligent and unreasonably stubborn.
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debian is an assisted living home for people brain-broken enough to enjoy role-playing an ossified soviet bureaucracy where nothing of actual value is at stake. despite all this process, some random nobody once thought he knew better than the developers of possibly the most security-critical open source project in the world and castrated the rng in openssh, blindly applying the output of a tool he did not understand. not only did this go unnoticed, this went unnoticed for something like two years. in general debian has never seen an upstream package they didn't want to pointlessly drag their dicks all over. this role-playing community also tended to attract a lot of self-styled Veteran Unix Administrators. ubuntu is a commercialized debian derivative that tries to apply some businessy order to the bazaar-style chaos of open-source development. to this end, it follows the example of other market leaders, and dabbles in some mixture of adware and bad-faith attempts at inflicting vendor lock-in upon the wider linux community depending on the day of the week. despite appearing to provide commercial support for periodic snapshots of the cesspit that is debian unstable they actually do no such thing; most of the universe repository is "curated" by random idiots who make debian look competent. for some bizarre reason this is very commonly used on cloud servers by idiots who go purely by brand recognition, although it does serve as a useful warning sign for identifying people who don't know what the gently caress they are doing; you'll get plenty of opportunity to see server error pages from these people. arch has a well-designed package manager and does a lot of things well. unfortunately it is a volunteer effort run by a skeleton crew. cool to play around with, if routine system upgrades suddenly inflicting a manual migration to a new major version of postgres upon you is your idea of a fun saturday afternoon. red hat inc publishes a few variants of its core linux-based operating system product, which are used by most large organizations that rely upon linux it infrastructure to make money. red hat also employs a large chunk of the people who design and develop core linux userland infrastructure. suse is like red hat except german. also without the "employs most of the important people in the linux world" bit. tbh i don't know much about them. Sapozhnik fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Jan 17, 2018 |
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Silver Alicorn posted:having not touched Linux in most of 2017, but having touched it a lot prior: FYI unity is gone and gnome is now the default wm as of 17.10
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homercles posted:The best linux documentation is found on the arch wiki because they do everything the hard way. you misspelled gentoo
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I installed 17.10 and bluetooth audio was hosed, so had to revert to 17.04. If those cunts at Canonical can't figure out how to connect my wildly successful intel hardware to my wildly successful bose headphones, well jesus christ test your shithouse software I guess. [e] they could connect but had massive lag, massive jitter, and massive audio loss. they thought going to 17.10 without ever testing bluetooth audio was ok
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I'm always very tempted to install OpenSUSE Tumbleweed because after using Arch I'm addicted to rolling release. Does anyone have any experience with it?
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VikingofRock posted:I'm always very tempted to install OpenSUSE Tumbleweed because after using Arch I'm addicted to rolling release. Does anyone have any experience with it? I've used OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It's fine. I didn't land on it though. I love the idea of rolling release, but at the end of the day I went with Fedora. I realized for what I'm doing, rolling release wasn't all that important.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the correct answer is: yes, fedora is still the correct choice
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homercles posted:I installed 17.10 and bluetooth audio was hosed, so had to revert to 17.04. seemed like i'd see this sort of thing all the time when looking at laptop compatability with lunix. [random laptop] compatibility status: good what still needs work: wifi non-functional, can't recover from suspend, hotkeys don't work, sound card constantly outputs a reading of the necronomicon on loop, etc
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arch is like a 2h install job that said i never installed a full DE on arch but it’s worth it for the best package manager
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i have fedora 25 on an old laptop and last night i was trying to upgrade to 27 and i can't. it keeps asking for some gpg key that isn't on my system i've given up on linux at this point lmao
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I had to downgrade my kernel from 4.13 to 4.10 because VirtualBox would no longer load my Windows 10 VM without hard-locking my machine
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use KVM ya dingus
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CPColin posted:No. why? you can use virtmanager to simplify it
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Suspicious Dish posted:i have fedora 25 on an old laptop and last night i was trying to upgrade to 27 and i can't. it keeps asking for some gpg key that isn't on my system did you try to upgrade via 26 i upgraded a workstation that was on uhh 23 or something up through the intervening versions to 26 and that worked out fine
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Condiv posted:why? you can use virtmanager to simplify it For the amount of time I need to spend in Windows (for one dumb password manager), it's not worth spending another second on configuring.
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Sapozhnik posted:debian has never seen an upstream package they didn't want to pointlessly drag their dicks all over. quote:ubuntu ... does serve as a useful warning sign for identifying people who don't know what the gently caress they are doing; this x 100
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Suspicious Dish posted:i have fedora 25 on an old laptop and last night i was trying to upgrade to 27 and i can't. it keeps asking for some gpg key that isn't on my system why not just add the key yourself, they print the key on https://getfedora.org/keys/ have a look in /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/, they're all there
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Tankakern posted:why not just add the key yourself, Why not just use a mac and not have to bother with any of this shite on your laptop ?
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but the reason it's happening is because he tries to hop over an upgrade. you'll have to add the key manually if you want to do that, since fedup doesn't support it.
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Tankakern posted:but the reason it's happening is because he tries to hop over an upgrade. you'll have to add the key manually if you want to do that, since fedup doesn't support it. The reason it's happening is because desktop linux is awful and has less testing than the server stuff.
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Idk I had more trouble recently setting up a bootcamp in a mac recently that required me to go into single user mode among various terminal commands before and turning off rootless to unfuck it up. "it just works"
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Celexi posted:"it just works" It does, sorry you had trouble installing windows
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it does until something fucks up and you have to drop into terminal like a gentoo user and boot to desktopless single user mode.
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