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fruit on the bottom posted:So far, it definitely seems to rule out anything that involves reincarnation. Of course I would expect that to change if the writers think of way to include that in a funny way. At this point, I'm basically calling that the series (whenever it does end) will end with the main four being reincarnated on Earth and given a second chance with all the improvements they've made on themselves. This will almost certainly be remarked on as completely unprecedented, with the slight possibility that Doug Forcett did it before them and that's how he got it all right.
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Anne Whateley posted:lol I know kind of a lot about Christianity. Of course many Christians are taking a more moderate path now; I didn't say they weren't. I was responding to this line of conversation The use of "fire" in the Bible refers not to eternal torment but simply to absolute destruction. It's not "bad afterlife v. good afterlife", it's Good Place or No Place.
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Anne Whateley posted:lol I know kind of a lot about Christianity. Of course many Christians are taking a more moderate path now; I didn't say they weren't. I was responding to this line of conversation you have implied twice that "the bible" is some kind of logic manual from which doctrine is derived. i didn't say this explicitly in my first post, but to add to what I said before: it is a minority of Christians who derive doctrine this way. so no, you clearly do not know much about Christianity if you are ignorant of this very basic point
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Anne Whateley posted:lol I know kind of a lot about Christianity. Of course many Christians are taking a more moderate path now; I didn't say they weren't. I was responding to this line of conversation Ok so I was wrong. Don’t need to be a dick about it, geez
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fruit on the bottom posted:Ok so I was wrong. Don’t need to be a dick about it, geez Lutha Mahtin posted:you have implied twice that "the bible" is some kind of logic manual from which doctrine is derived. i didn't say this explicitly in my first post, but to add to what I said before: it is a minority of Christians who derive doctrine this way. so no, you clearly do not know much about Christianity if you are ignorant of this very basic point me: here's where the Bible mentions fiery torture hell [source] you: THE BIBLE IS NOT A LOGIC MANUAL IDIOT got that, thanks
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Anne Whateley posted:other poster: the Bible doesn't mention torture hell i have exclusively posted on the issue of what Christians actually believe. your personal view of how the Bible should be interpreted has no bearing on what different groups of Christians believe
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DoctorWhat posted:The use of "fire" in the Bible refers not to eternal torment but simply to absolute destruction. It's not "bad afterlife v. good afterlife", it's Good Place or No Place. What about the use of "brimstone" and "wailing and gnashing of teeth" Lutha Mahtin posted:you have implied twice that "the bible" is some kind of logic manual from which doctrine is derived. 
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Lutha Mahtin posted:i have exclusively posted on the issue of what Christians actually believe. your personal view of how the Bible should be interpreted has no bearing on what different groups of Christians believe
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Buncha Chidi types in this thread, huh? E: VVV He's self centered because he agonizes and debates about every decision and made his friends and family miserable with this behavior and yet never stopped.
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This is a neat show that I'm now caught up with. Only thing is I still don't see why a guy like Chidi belongs in the group. His flaws were never from a place of self-centeredness like the others. The others its easy to see, but not him. I guess it was more important to have a character like him in the group than to have the thing make perfect sense.
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Kawalimus posted:This is a neat show that I'm now caught up with. Only thing is I still don't see why a guy like Chidi belongs in the group. His flaws were never from a place of self-centeredness like the others. The others its easy to see, but not him. I guess it was more important to have a character like him in the group than to have the thing make perfect sense. What good deeds did Chidi do in life?
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fruit on the bottom posted:What good deeds did Chidi do in life? He mightve been mediocre but nowhere near on the level of the other three. The show has stressed that motive has a huge influence on your score(hence why Tahani is there despite her charity work), so how could he possibly be on the same level as the other three? If he's selfish then literally anyone whos ever felt nice about doing something good should go to hell. We also don't know every detail of his life yet so they could explore this more in the future. But as of now I'm not convinced he belongs in "The Bad Place".
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He's selfish b/c everyone in his life was made miserable by being around him, though, not because of feeling nice about doing good deeds.
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Kawalimus posted:He mightve been mediocre but nowhere near on the level of the other three. The show has stressed that motive has a huge influence on your score(hence why Tahani is there despite her charity work), so how could he possibly be on the same level as the other three? If he's selfish then literally anyone whos ever felt nice about doing something good should go to hell. Well, if we’re to accept what Michael says in the pilot (and his comments about Victor Hugo in S2 indicate that we should imo) then literally only the best of the best make it in. Hell, even Florence Nightingale didn’t make the cut! In order to get in to the good place you need to do a lot of good things for selfless reasons. Tahani did a lot of good, but for selfish reasons. Chidi had the good intentions but he second guessed himself so much that he never followed through and from what we understand his actions generally had a negative impact in those around him as a result, which would have lowered his score. Id say neither Chidi nor Tahani deserve the bad place, but they weren’t good enough for the good place so that’s where they end up. Eleanor is Eleanor and Jason was not really a great dude either, but you could argue that they don’t really merit the bad place either.
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DoctorWhat posted:maybe no one belongs in the bad place, and prison reform is a core theme of the show? Probably? As it stands the good place is ridiculously exclusive so either the rules get revised or some sort of a purgatorial system gets created. Or those are just one off jokes and don’t think too hard about them. I think I could live with either.
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fruit on the bottom posted:Well, if we’re to accept what Michael says in the pilot (and his comments about Victor Hugo in S2 indicate that we should imo) then literally only the best of the best make it in. Hell, even Florence Nightingale didn’t make the cut! Yeah I agree with most of that. Although we don't know if Michael's statement about FN was true. But yeah they are exploring that idea that there shouldnt be a good or bad place so I should be more patient with stuff like his not belonging.
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Think of it by the rules of the show rather than our world's idea of good and bad, maybe. It seems like, in order to get into The Good Place, you can't just live life being a p decent human being, if only because so many little things add up as a negative in your score. You need to actively be doing good for the people around you or world at large and doing it alruisitically. The Good Place is for the best of the best. Chidi's a nice dude, but he isn't the best of the best, and in fact is so self concerned with his own indecisions that it negatively effects the people he loves.
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Kawalimus posted:Yeah I agree with most of that. Although we don't know if Michael's statement about FN was true. But yeah they are exploring that idea that there shouldnt be a good or bad place so I should be more patient with stuff like his not belonging. I think we can accept that statement for two reasons: 1. Michael admits that the best lies are seasoned with truth, so I think it’s probably safe to say that anything that we haven’t been given a reason to doubt for a reason beyond the deception in a general sense is probably true until otherwise noted. 2. When he talks about Victor Hugo and les miserables after the game it up, it largely seems to gel with what he originally presented. I have a feeling that by the time we get to the judge we’ll have a better idea. Plus if they’re sneaking into the real bad place we might even get to see some of these people and know for sure.
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Remember, Mindy was a lovely person but she saved a lot of lives. So that merited at least being in the medium place. It seems as if 'selflessness' isn't the only thing that matters. There's definitely a scorecard. And it probably includes not taking your socks off on an airplane.
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I agree that the Good Place threshold can't be as rough as they make it out to be, but there's no reason Michael couldn't have told them the truth about that once he joined their side. Maybe the Good Place makes the Bad Place think that's the rules, or at least obscures the public ratio so that the Bad Place people can feel "better" about torturing people. I can buy that Chidi just missed the Good Place cutoff. I'd expect there's something that we don't know about the world, or at least a layer that even Michael doesn't know.
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Pinwiz11 posted:Maybe the Good Place makes the Bad Place think that's the rules, or at least obscures the public ratio so that the Bad Place people can feel "better" about torturing people. I can buy that Chidi just missed the Good Place cutoff. the show has already done this IMO with the reveal of the medium place, so i wouldn't rule out that we will learn more bits about the afterlife system Anne Whateley posted:I didn't say anything about how the Bible should be interpreted or anything about my personal beliefs claiming that a passage in a biblical text says X is interpretation. you said a certain passage must be interpreted a certain way, so not only are you interpreting that passage, you are saying how that passage must be interpreted. so your claim here is incorrect i'm also going to stop responding to your garbage. this is because you have responded to being told three times that you are wrong, by repeating the same incorrect and frankly stupid assertions about the issues in question. everything you have posted would be laughed out of a conversation with any mainstream religious scholar who studies Christianity, and nothing you have said has contributed anything meaningful to the discussion of how this show approaches the metaphysics of the afterlife. your gimmick sucks, go home Lutha Mahtin fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Jan 19, 2018 |
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CountFosco posted:Does taunting bad place administrators seem in character to you for people who run the good place? Does that seem like the sort of thing they would get any pleasure from? Possibly really lame comebacks that the Good Place people think are funny? IDK STOP USING YOUR LOGIC AT ME Or they just roll with it like Michael did when Trevor came, when we thought they were in the Good Place.
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Pirates of the Caribbean - FOREVER
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ELANOR CAN loving SWEAR AGAIN!
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Jason is on fire tonight, like a Molotov cocktail.
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Dax!
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Arist posted:DAX nooooooooooooo
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Oh god Bad Place Special Ops, I hope they get clowned spectacularly.
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Pinwiz11 posted:Oh god Bad Place Special Ops, I hope they get clowned spectacularly. Derek gon Derek 'em right up the Derek
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Just want to point out that "Ultimate Frisbee" has to be called "Ultimate" in marketing materials for legal reasons. Wham-O has the word "Frisbee" trademarked. 
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HEY LANCE
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JOOOOOOOOOOOOORTLESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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BORTLES! 
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