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Pick posted:If you are worried about the ending being a mess, you are watching the wrong show. Of course the ending is going to be a mess. They literally do not have enough time or even a coherent way to tie up all the loose threads. Oh I guess we're on the "the show's cancelled" phase of the Steven Universe thread cycle. They have plenty of time.
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yeah a fourth production season (32 eps vs the 52 eps of the previous ones) was confirmed on the podcast months back.
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Inescapable Duck posted:I figure Rose Quartz is dead as anything, that Steven basically overwrote her memories and consciousness in the Gem. Stephen Universe, the story of the only gem who ever figured out how to die.
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Jan 19, 2018 19:31
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Don't forget the smoke monster! Anyway if they showed a gem get shattered in a flashback, but it never happened in the current day, I feel like it would create this weird sense that all the stuff going on now isn't a "real" conflict compared to what happened in the past, like it's a easier, more kid friendly war. For that reason, I'd prefer they not make a big production out of showing Pink get shattered. On the other hand, I absolutely want this vague overhanging notion that Rose may have been the only CG to ever shatter a gem to be completely, well, shattered? The implication that one side in the war managed to never kill anyone will forever be a problem with the backstory until they address it, I think
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Jan 19, 2018 20:17
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I assumed Pearl loving ended gems based on every time we see her fight someone that isn't an ally.
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Jan 19, 2018 20:45
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Inescapable Duck posted:That was about as much because they rushed the ending because the alternative was creative burnout, I think. Still a pity. Alex Hirsch had burnt out after season 1, remember it was going to be a three season show initially, Disney should have fired him after Season 1 wrapped up and gotten someone more reliable to manage the show(it's ridiculous how a show as good as the first half of season two became as bad as the second half turned out to be)
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Jan 19, 2018 20:54
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drrockso20 posted:Alex Hirsch had burnt out after season 1, remember it was going to be a three season show initially, Disney should have fired him after Season 1 wrapped up and gotten someone more reliable to manage the show(it's ridiculous how a show as good as the first half of season two became as bad as the second half turned out to be) Gravity Falls was Hirsch's pet project inspired by his childhood experiences and he voiced more than one major character. Firing him from his show would make as much sense for the quality as firing Rebecca Sugar and Estelle from SU.
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Jan 19, 2018 21:00
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Moriatti posted:I assumed Pearl loving ended gems based on every time we see her fight someone that isn't an ally. Homeworld has clearly shattered gems (cluster, diamonds orders) It's pretty clear the gems have - Like remember how afraid Amethyst and Pearl used to be of Garnet. Or how, every time Garnet gets angry, they play it like the resolution is going to be violent, and gets extremely violent when angry. I don't think she just poofed homeworld gems with her gauntlets. - but Steven's not going to realize it until it's spelled out for him. Just another reason why the hiatus is hosed. Probably some upcoming episode Steven finally gets Greg's "no such thing as a good war", in a way that would be fine in a continuous string of episodes building up to that, but now it will be "we waited ten months for Steven to realize his moms killed other gems???"
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Jan 19, 2018 21:04
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I think everyone worrying about how far we are through the story is spoiling things for themselves - I'm not worrying about an encroaching ending, just looking forward to whenever new episodes are announced, so as far as I'm concerned the story itself can take as long as it needs. Even if White Diamond isn't introduced till the final 5 episodes, they may well do something interesting in those episodes.
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Jan 19, 2018 21:26
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chitoryu12 posted:Gravity Falls was Hirsch's pet project inspired by his childhood experiences and he voiced more than one major character. Firing him from his show would make as much sense for the quality as firing Rebecca Sugar and Estelle from SU. They fired John K from Ren and Stimpy, and he was the creator, lead writer, lead animation director and storyboarder, AND THE VOICE OF REN.
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drrockso20 posted:Alex Hirsch had burnt out after season 1, remember it was going to be a three season show initially, Disney should have fired him after Season 1 wrapped up and gotten someone more reliable to manage the show(it's ridiculous how a show as good as the first half of season two became as bad as the second half turned out to be) Really don't think that would have worked, Gravity Falls was very much a creator driven show and taking Alex Hirsch off the project would have been a bad (and frankly, disrespectful) idea. I know it's disappointing that the show was cut short because Alex Hirsch got burnt out working in the high stress world of episodic animation, but Disney 100% made the right call by letting him end it when he wanted to instead of artificially prolonging it after his departure. Anyway, if you're hungry for more Gravity Falls style humor be sure to watch the Detective Pikachu movie Alex Hirsch helped write. Ryan Reynolds is going to be voicing the titular Pikachu detective.
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RandomFerret posted:They fired John K from Ren and Stimpy, and he was the creator, lead writer, lead animation director and storyboarder, AND THE VOICE OF REN. Wasn't John K. also constantly fighting with the network and censors? I don't necessarily disagree with you assessment, but it seems like a different thing entirely. Also, was the 2nd half of the 2nd season of Gravity Falls bad or something? I thought it was all pretty great.
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I'm sad pikachu wasnt voiced by danny devito https://youtu.be/1cR4ADXBkII Hihohe fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jan 19, 2018 |
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Anyway, if you're hungry for more Gravity Falls style humor be sure to watch the Detective Pikachu movie Alex Hirsch helped write. Ryan Reynolds is going to be voicing the titular Pikachu detective. lol Wait, you're not serious, are you?
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oh yes oh god yes form the head FORM THE HEAD unghhhh...
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IronSaber posted:lol It's gonna be a wild ride, my dude.
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Jan 19, 2018 22:12
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SpacePig posted:Wasn't John K. also constantly fighting with the network and censors? I don't necessarily disagree with you assessment, but it seems like a different thing entirely. John K was also a heinous prima donna who constantly delayed the show and delivered episodes like weeks late because he insisted on personally redrawing frames that weren't exactly to his standards from the other animators. It's really not the same situation.
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deadly_pudding posted:John K was also a heinous prima donna That's basically Hirsch to a T
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Jan 19, 2018 22:21
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Hirsch doesn't sound like he's a John K-level rear end in a top hat though.
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SpacePig posted:Also, was the 2nd half of the 2nd season of Gravity Falls bad or something? I thought it was all pretty great. The whole series was good. That's one of the benefits of having a brief run, you never end up suffering from Simpson's Syndrome.
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the 2nd half of season 2 felt kinda rushed, and wasn't quite up to the first half's standards, but it wasn't bad or anything 
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SpacePig posted:Wasn't John K. also constantly fighting with the network and censors? I don't necessarily disagree with you assessment, but it seems like a different thing entirely. Everything's bad now. Seriously though, the endgame of GF definitely felt rushed in many ways and like they needed another ten episodes before going into weirdmageddon. But I wouldn't call it bad by any stretch.
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khwarezm posted:Everything's bad now. It had this so it can't have been bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKCeOOkqOV8
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drrockso20 posted:That's basically Hirsch to a T ???
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Raserys posted:??? I've heard (including from Hirsch himself in some interviews) that he was a bit of a perfectionist in some aspects (which is why nearly every episode credits him as a writer, unlike most script driven shows) and that played a role in him getting burnt out, but I've never really heard any horror stories about him like there are with John K so
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All of Gravity Falls rips. I'd rather Hirsch not gotten burnout at all of course (running a TV production has got to be stressful as hell, especially when it's your first!), but two seasons full of blood, sweat and tears is better than three seasons of a compromised show. Though Hirsch leaving after S1 would have been kind of funny, considering all the Twin Peaks homages
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:I've heard (including from Hirsch himself in some interviews) that he was a bit of a perfectionist in some aspects (which is why nearly every episode credits him as a writer, unlike most script driven shows) and that played a role in him getting burnt out, but I've never really heard any horror stories about him like there are with John K so Admittedly at least part of that is that Hirsch's main vice isn't being a perv like John K, it's that he's apparently a lush(also he's kinda a dick on social media)
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Who the gently caress cares.
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The TV IV › Steven Universe: He's A Dick On Social Media
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I'm a dick on social media and I don't even have a TV show.
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is anyone not a dick on social media like, isn't that the entire point of twitter
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https://twitter.com/_alexhirsch/status/490315869684498432 I'm sorry but he has the best social media account.  How many episodes into season 3 are we?
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Kazy posted:How many episodes into season 3 are we? 38 out of 52 Digamma-F-Wau fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Jan 20, 2018 |
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:I've heard (including from Hirsch himself in some interviews) that he was a bit of a perfectionist in some aspects (which is why nearly every episode credits him as a writer, unlike most script driven shows) and that played a role in him getting burnt out, but I've never really heard any horror stories about him like there are with John K so Yeah from various sources over the years, it definitely seems like Hirsch was too much of a perfectionist for network TV, and was the primary reason for why Gravity Falls had such an erratic schedule (rather than the ever-so-popular tale of Disney scheduling basically being witchcraft) - they just couldn't get episodes done at a consistent and fast enough of a pace since everything was running late on the script side. Plus he also straight up quit after season 1 before begrudgingly returning to it for a second season, hence the between-seasons airing delay. By the sounds of it he also burned out his staff by simply not being a very effective showrunner. Amateur mistakes, like not cutting down scripts to episode length to make sure the storyboard artists don't do extra work on scenes that won't make the cut anyway, etc. So it probably figures there are some "Hirsch was an insane slave driver who slept in his office overnight and peed in the trashcan to avoid triggering the office door opening alarm" stories floating around too. Also the script credit thing has a story attached to it too but I'm not going to reprint it since it sounds a bit too wild to be true.
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Gravity Falls is really good and only like one or two episodes are "bad", but what I meant was that the ending didn't pick up the pieces the way it could have and clearly was intended to. And that's from a show that cared a lot about the internal consistency of its lore. Steven Universe doesn't show evidence of being that carefully planned. A lot of hooks were dropped so that the show could go a range of directions, but there's no ending that is going to satisfactorily fit with all we know now. I will bet $10 on it. If I lose I will donate that money to help save endangered crabs .
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The show will probably go until they don't get renewed again and then they'll use the next season to wrap up the most recent plot hooks. And I'm ok with that.
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There's definitely some stuff confirmed to be planned long ahead, like Lars dying/getting revived (an early pilot era idea) then becoming a space pirate (an idea dating from when season 1 was in production)
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:There's definitely some stuff confirmed to be planned long ahead, like Lars dying/getting revived (an early pilot era idea) then becoming a space pirate (an idea dating from when season 1 was in production) Sugar has stated that the entire main plot and all the major beats were planned out from the beginning, so they have the ability to stretch or compress as needed. Considering the show is still retaining popularity (despite all the Chicken Little screeching every time it doesn't get perfect scheduling), I highly doubt they'll suddenly run out of time to wrap it up or get summarily canceled with no resolution.
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That's what the creators of Lost said, also. Here's the thing though: I do not believe that.
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I don't thing Rebecca quite said something like that (though I think she did mention having an ending in mind, though I could be misremembering). The impression I get is that she definitely had a vauge framework in mind early on (like the Serious Steven mural appearing to foreshadow the diamond stuff, and the fact that the lars dying stuff was planned from the beginning) but it's not as solid as people made it out to be (or at least wasn't early on: recent interviews mention Rebecca having a full timeline planned out on a board in her office now); one podcast (when they were talking about Jailbreak) mentioned that the Cluster stuff wasn't a thing when late season 1 was being outlined but was when early season 2 was (which would be well before season 1 finished boarding): they do write episode outlines well ahead of time and conceive their premises even earlier than that (like some concept art for Mr Greg dated september 2014, around the same time Message Received and adjacent eps were being outlined and the sardonyx eps were being boarded)
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