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Kibayasu posted:Uh, yeah? Its 40K, everything it does is trash by default so no one should want to write a good and serious story in it. What you can get is bad trash (almost everything involving the Space Marines as boring zealots) or good trash (almost everything involving the Orks). Again, that would be "everything" that the video games showed me because that's all I've seen. As tyshalle said, the loyalist space marines are the very least interesting aspect of the setting. The video game properties rarely explore beyond them and almost every time when you encounter anything else, it is from the space marines' frame of reference, so they are just different-colored people to gun down. It's unfortunate that most media goes with space marines as gelded warrior-monks out of several alternatives presented, since it's difficult to be more boring than that. Anyway, Star Trek.
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dont even fink about it posted:Anyway, Star Trek. Brother-captain Kirk, chaptermaster of the Enterprise. His chaplains, McCoy and Chapel, harvest the geneseed from the fallen red helms to bolster the ranks after grim engagement after grim engagement. A disgusting xenos slave, known as Spock, provides debatable insight into the wretched folk of these unexplored sectors. Their continuous, gruelling campaign against the insidious xenos scum has lasted five-hundred years with no end in sight. Their mission: to cleanse polluted, heretical worlds. To extinguish corrupted life and xenos civilizations. To bring the glory of the God-Emperor where it has never reached before.
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I saw someone moving their shoulders vaguely like Data did during his comedy routine and the trauma came flooding back
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Brother-captain Kirk, chaptermaster of the Enterprise. His chaplains, McCoy and Chapel, harvest the geneseed from the fallen red helms to bolster the ranks after grim engagement after grim engagement. A disgusting xenos slave, known as Spock, provides debatable insight into the wretched folk of these unexplored sectors. Meanwhile, Scotticus of the Adeptus Mechanicus keeps their ship, the Dreadnaught Enterprise of Piety And Faith, Glory to the Emperor, running, with the ancient prayers and sacred oils. Chekhov has been turned into a servoskull. Bravely, their ship risks the perils of the Warp to travel anywhere, bringing the Emperor’s justice to the filthy xeno Kilngorks and Romuldar. Idleness begets heresy!
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I don't think impulse can reach relativistic speeds, or if it can, do so without burning through all the ships energy very quickly Depends on what you consider relativistic I guess. Technically any speed is relativistic but for most things that we would experience on earth, the effect of relativity is negligible. Anyway, in Trek, full impulse is 0.25c, and any speed above about 0.1c is generally considered "relativistic". That said, there is zero mention in any of the shows about relativity. A few of the novels mention it though.
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Depends on what you consider relativistic I guess. Technically any speed is relativistic but for most things that we would experience on earth, the effect of relativity is negligible. You gotta get above 0.8 to start getting into serious time dilation. Above 0.9 or .95 if you realistically want to pass hundreds of years in a reasonable time frame, and you have to spend just as long accelerating in reverse to come to a stop, probably.
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marktheando posted:
I have some fondness for TAS, but sometimes it can make 24 minutes feel like 3 hours.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:You gotta get above 0.8 to start getting into serious time dilation. Above 0.9 or .95 if you realistically want to pass hundreds of years in a reasonable time frame, and you have to spend just as long accelerating in reverse to come to a stop, probably. Are you talking about blood alcohol levels and drunk driving?
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TheCenturion posted:Meanwhile, Scotticus of the Adeptus Mechanicus keeps their ship, the Dreadnaught Enterprise of Piety And Faith, Glory to the Emperor, running, with the ancient prayers and sacred oils. Chekhov has been turned into a servoskull. Hikaru of the Astropathicus was driven mad by the Warp once, and ran wild, brandishing a chainsword. He was justly put down by Sister Rand of the Sororitas. Now he serves as a warning to all to fully embrace the God-Emperor and reject Chaos. A closed mind is a fortress.
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I'm enjoying this 40k star trek fan fiction more than I should.
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Please stop, it's already bad enough when the thread talks about actual Star Trek
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Al Borland Corp. posted:You gotta get above 0.8 to start getting into serious time dilation. Above 0.9 or .95 if you realistically want to pass hundreds of years in a reasonable time frame, and you have to spend just as long accelerating in reverse to come to a stop, probably. Fair point. If we're going to go down this path, then having full impulse as 0.25c doesn't make sense as the concept of maximum speed in space doesn't really make sense. Delta-v is much more important, but who knows how much delta-v a starship is capable of?
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You do gain mass as you accelerate though, which increases energy costs. It's possible 1/4 c is the cutoff where it starts getting inefficient and you may as well just go to warp.
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Why didn't Janeway just develop a spore drive?
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Zesty posted:Why didn't Janeway just develop a spore drive? Because she didn't actually want to get home, as clearly shown in the text.
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jeeves posted:BACK TO DS9 TALK: Do we know that they didn't have a bunch of Akiras parked at the nearest starbase? (You wouldn't park a Galaxy, since the whole point of a Galaxy is to take the Starbase with you)
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Grand Fromage posted:You do gain mass as you accelerate though, which increases energy costs. It's possible 1/4 c is the cutoff where it starts getting inefficient and you may as well just go to warp. Yes, true. I probably should have touched on mass increase but oh well. The sperg in me is dubious though. A quick calculation tells me that 0.25c corresponds to about 3% time dilation and therefore a 3% mass increase and that's not much. But whatever, I'm thinking about this way more than the writers have.
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Grand Fromage posted:You do gain mass as you accelerate though, which increases energy costs. It's possible 1/4 c is the cutoff where it starts getting inefficient and you may as well just go to warp. The mass gain/time dilation factor (which are proportional) isn't major until later, and the mass/acceleration/energy cost for your internal PoV is always constant. The way the curve works out, if they can make it to .25c as easily as they do in the show, they can make it to high relativity easily. That said, impulse engines use subspace fields as well as simple impulse, so who knows how it works, space magic applies. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Jan 20, 2018 |
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Yes, true. I probably should have touched on mass increase but oh well. Yeah I mean you have a FTL engine so it's not like you need to be tooling around at relativistic velocities anyway.
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Jan 20, 2018 08:46
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Yeah, exactly. Assuming the writers even knew much about relativity, I can't really blame them for ignoring it.
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To be honest, the only time full impulse is ever depicted as being remotely that fast is when they're moving interplanetary. It would've been easier if they'd just said that was low warp and full impulse is a fraction the acceleration.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah I mean you have a FTL engine so it's not like you need to be tooling around at relativistic velocities anyway. You won’t believe how fast we can get back to Earth since we broke the time barrier!
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MikeJF posted:Do we know that they didn't have a bunch of Akiras parked at the nearest starbase? Akira class is my favorite class. Any chance Discovery brings about a renewed interest is DS9, and with the the possibility of an HD remaster? Or am I living in a fool's paradise?
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Doubt it. There was some hype about Burnham being the first black lead in a Star Trek show. Not black female lead, but black lead. That tells me that CBS would rather forget that DS9 existed
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I don't think impulse can reach relativistic speeds, or if it can, do so without burning through all the ships energy very quickly Going fast enough for relativistic effects to make a large impact on their perceived time passage would mean that while they would get "home" in a couple of years or decades of subjective time, huge swaths of time would have passed. Going by warp, they had fighting odds of some of them making it home in their natural lives, though first priority should've been trying to figure out how to signal Starfleet.
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CubanMissile posted:Akira class is my favorite class. TNG HD made a loss (partly due to them releasing it to streaming, I reckon) and DS9 HD would be more difficult due to the battle sequences. So not happening until it gets really easy to do in 20 years.
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VanSandman posted:The guy responsible for that business model has been fired and GW has REALLY turned around as a company. Yeah. I try not to do "GW are idiots" now because they're working on it. They used to refuse to make video games and total war would have been out of the question. I'd love for them to get some movie/tv on the pipes because you could make somethibg good... or terrible beyond belief. E: oops we were a page further on. Anyway....
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jeeves posted:BACK TO DS9 TALK: The federation, by tv canon, can't be bothered to defend Earth with a standing fleet. What chance does DS9 have? Before DS9 the federation only had like 50 ships and the battle of Wolf 359 was apparently a huge fleet. This is because Star Trek writers were complete hacks who didn't ever appear to sit back and actually think about anything.
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Regarde Aduck posted:The federation, by tv canon, can't be bothered to defend Earth with a standing fleet. What chance does DS9 have? Before DS9 the federation only had like 50 ships and the battle of Wolf 359 was apparently a huge fleet. This is because Star Trek writers were complete hacks who didn't ever appear to sit back and actually think about anything.
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Nessus posted:Based on the TNG manual you absolutely can but it is not generally done because of the relativistic effects. It is probably better if your warp engine breaks to park yourself and whistle Starfleet to help. There was an episode of Stargate Atlantis where just this happened, an ancient ship's hyperdrive broke in remote space so they just tied the sublight drive up to the hyperdrive's power core and went up to 0.99c. Better 10,000 years late but still alive, eh?
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Regarde Aduck posted:The federation, by tv canon, can't be bothered to defend Earth with a standing fleet. What chance does DS9 have? Before DS9 the federation only had like 50 ships and the battle of Wolf 359 was apparently a huge fleet. This is because Star Trek writers were complete hacks who didn't ever appear to sit back and actually think about anything. They also had the Mars Defense Perimeter! 
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In that time travel Voyager episode Chakotay and B'elanna discuss the possibility of making new lives on 20th century earth. Now even if they don’t know the secret of time travel and the space magic of how their engine work stops time dilation, surely they could freeze themselves like Khan? Oh poo poo wait a minute, where is Khan? Shouldn’t the Eugenics Wars be going on in the 90s? Wonder if the stuff about the computer revolution being thanks to time travel shenanigans was an attempt to retcon that. Still overall a decently fun time travel episode.
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MikeJF posted:The mass gain/time dilation factor (which are proportional) isn't major until later, and the mass/acceleration/energy cost for your internal PoV is always constant. The way the curve works out, if they can make it to .25c as easily as they do in the show, they can make it to high relativity easily. Well, as apocryphal as it is, I recall several of the old Pocket Books novels mentioning that they avoided hitting .25c in impulse because time distortion becomes annoying. Bear in mind that the GPS satellites around Earth are travelling fast enough that they need to take relativity into effect, and that astronomers noticed, like 200 years ago, irregularities in Mercury's orbit that are caused by relativity. You don't need to be going that fast for relativity to kick in; indeed, move at all, and relativity kicks in. For regular human-scale stuff, though, you're not going to notice it until you hit something like .1c. http://www.emc2-explained.info/Time-Dilation-at-Low-Speeds/#.WmNG0LpFyUk
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CubanMissile posted:Akira class is my favorite class. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKLsGlQ3CHE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdpdbHdQ81I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqEIIOYjG5Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uDXux7OEYc
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Then a problem becomes where do they hide the ship for hundreds of years so it isn't discovered Well that should be straightforward enough, they would have records of what stuff near earth was explored and when.
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marktheando posted:Well that should be straightforward enough, they would have records of what stuff near earth was explored and when. By Starfleet, not going to have records of other races comings and going, or of what cool dudes like the Outraaaageous Okona got up to.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Then a problem becomes where do they hide the ship for hundreds of years so it isn't discovered Warp to a system in range with an unexplored has giant which you know no one will bother studying and hide as far inside as you can.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Warp to a system in range with an unexplored has giant which you know no one will bother studying and hide as far inside as you can. Or drop it in the middle of interstellar space where no one's stopping or scanning anyway.
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