Sexual Assault and the Culture of Hollywood

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Vegetable: Oct 22, 2010

The New York Times and Washington Post do extremely good work on a consistent basis. One of them broke the loving story that set off the entire #MeToo movement. Journalists from established news outlets are continuing to do very careful and important reporting on sexual assault in Hollywood. Please don't grind your cynical jaded axe about "clinically dead journalism" here.

# ? Jan 20, 2018 20:02

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# ? Apr 19, 2024 23:06

McSpanky: Jan 16, 2005

jet sanchEz posted:

Yeah but the next time some rear end in a top hat is accused they can try the "This is just like Ansari and the hit-job by Babe" and people might just buy it.

If the Washington Post hadn't been very careful with the Roy Moore story, there'd be a (known) pedophile sitting in the U.S. senate.

No, you see, things aren't perfect so everything is terrible and nothing matters.

# ? Jan 20, 2018 20:03

CelticPredator: Oct 11, 2013; 🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

It was still a close call anyway, and the reason why is far closer to the bone.

Well, I don't think she "went insane" so much as her schizophrenia became acute and onset right around the age it typically does in young women. Anyway, it's definitely not going to be hard to convince people that Dan Schneider is capable of all kinds of sick poo poo.

Fair enough yeah, my bad. One of my buddies has that and watching him fall apart was incredibly sad.

# ? Jan 20, 2018 20:08

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD: Sep 14, 2007; everything is yours

CelticPredator posted:

Fair enough yeah, my bad. One of my buddies has that and watching him fall apart was incredibly sad.

With men it's even younger, it's one of the reasons that period right out of high school is like, the critical moment to watch someone's personality change drastically.

# ? Jan 20, 2018 20:10

CelticPredator: Oct 11, 2013; 🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

My buddies saw it happen to him. The biggest tell was his sudden and extreme beliefs in god. He got picked up by one of those near college church groups that apparently are fairly hardcore core.

The saddest and freakiest thing I�ve ever seen was my friend talking to me in his moms apartment talking about how god doesn�t like a thing and why and then saying flatly �God is telling me right now that you�re not enjoying this conversation.�

It wasn�t hard to read me or anything but it�s when I knew my friend wasn�t going to ever be the same. This was before I knew he was schizophrenic.

# ? Jan 20, 2018 20:19

precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

McSpanky posted:

everything is terrible and nothing matters.

That's been true since like, 2003. (Not making a joke).

# ? Jan 21, 2018 01:34

twerking on the railroad: Jun 23, 2007; Get on my level

precision posted:

That's been true since like, 2003. (Not making a joke).

It's true, nothing good has happened in the last 15 years. There is no reason to try for anything better. The time has come to gracefully accept the strong hand of God-Emperor Trump.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 02:59

Hat Thoughts: Jul 27, 2012

https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/954574729943404544

Hmmm...is that right Bill Maher? 👀

# ? Jan 21, 2018 04:53

Tart Kitty: Dec 17, 2016; Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Hat Thoughts posted:

https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/954574729943404544

Hmmm...is that right Bill Maher? 👀

We�re long past Bill Maher being relevant. He adds nothing to the public discourse. If anything, his half-assed contrarianism only muddies the waters further.

Also, Bill Maher is pretty much the easy mode of suspected sex pests. The ultimate irony would be someone calling him out onto the carpet for past misdeeds as a result of him bitching off about MeToo on his show.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 05:18

precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

the only thing surprising there is that it took maher this long to say that

what an rear end. and i have no doubt he's a raging sex addict on the level of David Duchovny, but i'd think if he were an actual abuser or pushy about it a ton of women would have come forward by now.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 05:21

Transmodiar: Jul 9, 2005; You're a terrible person, Mildred.

So you don't have to go digging for it:

quote:

Tick tock, tick tock. That clock is ticking loudly as a chain of events and a metaphorical deal with the devil can bring down this entire media corporation and their now-struggling studio within the coming year. This one has been a long time coming, and is thankfully about to come to an end for the perpetrators of some of the modern entertainment industry's worst long-time institutional abuses of underage actresses. For many of the long-time CDAN regulars this one won't be a shock, although the details might. Many people in Hollywood and out have been waiting to see when this Producer at this cable network is going to be called out, publicly accused, or charged for his many years of abuse behind the scenes. Many have wondered why - with so many others being brought down - he's managed to escape almost unscathed? It's because of his Protector. His Protector is the mega-wealthy big boss of the studio and corporate parent, and he wields a lot of power over many types of media, in both Hollywood and New York. Many years ago the Producer got himself in serious trouble over his perverted abuses of several of his actresses. Not just those he abused himself, but those he encouraged his writers, directors, and co-producers to sexually abuse. This was not a one-time thing, but an ongoing constant pattern which led those actresses to drugs, self-destruction, self-abuse, mutilation, destroyed dreams, wasted careers, damaged families, and even insanity. Made more disgusting by the complicity and apathy of the parents, "momagers", and guardians who just wanted fame and money. All so that some jolly perverts could get their rocks off living out their sick unfulfilled tweenage dreams. At that time, the Protector still had most of his marbles and was going to live forever. Many believe he still may, although he's now alive in name only and the flames are lapping at his legs daily. Back then he still had his iron grip on his business and he's never been afraid to sue, threaten, harass, or destroy others as his favorite sport.

Back when the abuses emerged as whispers at the corporation, the executives and The Protector sat down with his corporate bean counters and realized the massive cash cow this Producer was for them. Huge. Very huge and big in every way. In fact, probably one of the three biggest revenue generators in the corporate parent's entire history (especially in the coveted target demographic for ads, merch, and licensing). When that much is at stake, they don't want to rock the boat or kill the golden goose (Or cow. Or even a giant pig.). Anyway, on the other hand? It is a public corporation, and that means things can get leaked and revealed just through statements and financial reports. What then evolved was a corporate game of chess that nobody could imagine.

The Producer was no dummy, so he personally hired investigators to provide ammo for his case. He then hired top financial experts to lay out the revenue he and his cronies represented to the corporation both in the past and in future revenues. So when the Protector summoned him? The Producer showed the Protector a huge financial report to validate his power and worth to the bottom line. Then he showed a massive dossier of files going back 50 years of the powerful Protector's own misdeeds. From New York, to Hollywood, to Boston, to London - a trail of abuses, perversions, thefts from his company, abuse, stealing from his own family, and even outright felonies. By the time he got down the list to mention offshore banking, the Protector knew he'd met someone on his level. Thus the two twisted men forged a strategy and agreement to protect each other and the corporation.

The Producer surrendered his very expensive background report - and the Protector agreed to make all those "pesky" abuse whispers go away. They also agreed to blame another big corporate executive within the corporation if anything ever did leak out and set him up as a fall guy. The Protector even targeted one of his corporate underlings to shoulder the blame too, so he could claim ignorance. None of this was simple, instant, and was NOT cheap or easy. But the perverted Producer was smart enough to have limited potential witnesses by keeping his rapes/abuses down to he said/she said. And for more than a decade in the pre-Cosby & pre-Harvey days a reporter, lawyer, or cop wouldn't accuse in such instances without hard proof.

Parents were paid off in huge amounts. As in "never have to work again ever" amounts that cover cars, college tuition, homes and all they want for now. The parents and managers who "played ball" and went along with it? They were well rewarded. Not just with big payoffs, but production deals, television shows, feature films, even music careers. Many of the adults were even bribed with corporate stock. The victims were told they "had no choice" and had to accept the deals, or they themselves could get in trouble. So all that those actresses and their people had to do? Keep quiet, keep smiling and doing photo ops, and support the brands/shows/projects with positive PR. The best part for the Producer & Protector? They managed to make even more money off of even those cover-up deals by making new shows starring once-unknown backing players who had been abused. Like two shows that starred the same actress And on, and on, it went. Leaving a trail of money and destroyed lives in their wake.

Some of the young girls were just in their tweens when sexually abused and raped by the Producer or his team members. One very damaged victim says she was even a virgin when the Producer went from hugging her in her trailer, to physically laying on her and forcing himself in her. She turned to alcohol, drugs, running away, and anything that would allow her to numb the pain as her parents refused to give her money to live and refused to let her quit the business. Eventually it became too much for her, and she had an epic meltdown. Some of the victims were so exasperated by parents, managers, and even tutors refusing to believe or help them that they did quit the business altogether. Still others tipped off gossip bloggers, industry insiders, online Reddit threads, anonymous Myspace chats, and anyone they could find just to try and warn others and get the story out there any way they could. It worked to a small degree at least as people began to whisper. Meanwhile, the Protector still enjoyed his own perversions with barely-legal escorts and their escort mothers; escorts who were paid by trading sex for production deals at the studio; actresses who skipped over the casting couches and went straight to his house to trade sex for jobs on his TV shows; and yacht girls whom he moved into his houses as his girlfriends/sugar babies. All the while the Producer continued his abuses/crimes and even got bold enough to allude to them in his own shows.

As the years passed by, however, times changed. Victims become emboldened and struggled to find a voice, and old people get older/sicker and lose their last few marbles. Some even die and pass on. Those "girlfriends" of the Protector get greedy and sue for inclusion in the will. Family members get scorned, disinherited, and others fight and claw to be named as the New Boss, as this one has. Which brings us to the present day, and the earth now quaking beneath the feet of the corporation/studio/network, the Protector...and definitely the Producer. Several of the victims have begun to talk to lawyers who smell blood in the water. The big Executive fall guy? He passed away. They wanted to blame it all on him, since he's dead and can't defend himself. Only two big problems: 1. In a major corporate shuffle in the past year or two, several executives/board members got pushed out and they want revenge badly against the corporation and against the Protector. 2. One of the biggest victims of the Producer has a LOT of proof against him. Irrefutable proof that can bring the whole house down on them all.

The movie studio owned by the corporation is not doing well, and many in the industry have been reluctant to set up projects there because they're not sure if they'll ever get made. Meanwhile, the corporations networks are also falling into trouble. So even if everything behind the scenes were fine? It would still be a tough time there. So if a major scandal were to hit the offices, studio lots, and networks? It would trigger a domino effect that will send shareholders running and talent fleeing.

Because, you see #TimesUp is not just a movement, meme, or hashtag. It's literally a thing. Because time IS up for intimidation and silence of those victims. One is no longer a girl, and is now a woman. She's explored criminal charges, jurisdictions, statutes of limitations and exceptions to those. She's livid at her parents for their complicity, and wants revenge AND a bigger payday through a lawsuit for the career and life that was stolen from her - but only AFTER she makes it all public. So the time is up on the agreement her parents made, which doesn't apply to her now - as an adult. She lawyered up and they've hired investigators, forensic accountants, analysts, and a security outfit of global repute who has even worked for government intelligence operations. She's very serious about this - as are the other victims who endured similar abuse and complicity from parents, guardians, and managers. Several have engaged the services of the same law firm who employ experts in the field of crimes against children with the feds.

Also involved are the disgruntled former executives. So much so that they've turned to the Protector's all-time arch-nemesis who is known by ALL and is the owner of a massive conglomerate stretching throughout the world to guarantee they'll get the coverage they need to air their accusations. They also are getting friendly lawyers to protect them when they back the claims of the abuse victims (which otherwise could incriminate them for prior knowledge - but now indemnifies them since they are cooperating with the victims). Everyone is pursuing this all before the Protector finally dies. Then the studio and their assets (including a valuable back catalog/library of titles) can get gobbled up by another competitor. In fact, as I write this I know several news outlets at work on stories about abuses at other branches of the corporation, and executives there. So don't put too much faith in some strange movements and shuffling going on at the corporation/studio/networks - because it is just them setting up for future damage control and the scapegoating that is sure to come. Don't think for a second that every day the New Boss of the corporation wakes up that the boss is not wondering if this is THE day that their time runs out. The new boss is no dummy either, and knows #TimesUp for the metaphorical deal the corporation made with the devil all those years ago. Tick tock, tick tock.

Source: http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/01/four-for-friday-its-about-time-himmmm.html

# ? Jan 21, 2018 05:48

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Transmodiar posted:

So you don't have to go digging for it:

Source: http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/01/four-for-friday-its-about-time-himmmm.html

I can't remember the first time I heard these rumors. It's been a long while, probably since Jamie Lynn Spears got pregnant, and they definitely got louder after Amanda Bynes very dramatically left the spotlight. It's amazing to me that all these years this guy has been under protection, but I hope the victims get some peace. And I hope Dan Schneider rots in prison for the rest of his life.

edit: also, straight from the comment section of that article, a key for those who don't know all the names:

The Protector- Sumner Redstone
The Corporation- Viacom
The Producer- Dan Schneider
The Network- Nickelodeon
The Other Network in trouble- MTV
Deceased Ex-Executive- Brad Grey
Nemesis- Rupert Murdoch
Victim 1- Amanda Bynes
Victim 2- Jamie Lynn Spears
Victim 3- Jeanette McCurdy
Victim 4- Ariana Grande
Escort- unknown
New Boss- Shari Redstone
Payoff Shows- The Amanda Show (Bynes), What I like about you (Bynes), Sam & Cat (Grande,McCurdy), Eye Candy (Justice), Zoey 101 (Cosgrove, Spears), ICarly (Justice, Grande, Cosgrove), Victorious (Justice)

DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Jan 21, 2018

# ? Jan 21, 2018 06:12

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

also, here's one of many canaries who have died in this particular mineshaft:

quote:

Former �All That� child star Angelique Bates is speaking out about the abuse that she suffered on the set of the Nickelodeon show when she was younger.

Bates spoke exclusively to The Shade Room in a video detailing her experience, saying that she was physically, emotionally and mentally abused by her mother while starring on �All That.� This abuse, she said, would often take place in front of producers, but rather than doing anything about it, the producers urged Bates to keep her mouth shut about what was happening to her.

�I was only 12-years-old and that�s when my nightmare began,� bates recalled. �I was physically, emotionally, mentally abused in front of the producers and cast members. Sometimes they could even hear me yelling, but nothing was done to help me.�

Bates says in 1996 Child Protective Services was called, but subsequently nothing was done to make matters better.

�When CPS came I was pressured by all the adults that were sent to protect me, to stay silent. I did, and I have, but I can no longer stay silent.�

Bates is coming out with her story of abuse at a time when Nickelodeon has just announced the return of �All That,� with original cast members set to provide commentary on the re-run episodes. While Bates was originally going to be part of that project, things did not work out, but she says that she is ready to work given the next opportunity.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 06:19

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

I recall wondering the odds on whether it was Uncle Dan who got Jamie-Lynn Spears pregnant, which ended her career with Nick. IIRC they pinned it on her boyfriend.

Would be nice to see him going down hard.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 06:36

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

Oh my god the more I google on Dan Schneider the worse it gets :barf:

# ? Jan 21, 2018 07:27

esperterra: Mar 24, 2010; SHINee's back

Yeah, he's a real piece of poo poo.

Feel like I've been waiting for him to get got since I was the same age as Nick's demo. The rumours have been around forever.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 07:31

wizardofloneliness: Dec 30, 2008

I remember reading about Dan Schneider years ago and it was pretty awful stuff. I�m glad he�s hopefully going down soon. It�s been a long time coming for him.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 07:31

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD: Sep 14, 2007; everything is yours

Good god.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 08:52

Nckdictator: Sep 8, 2006; Just..someone

DC Murderverse posted:

I can't remember the first time I heard these rumors. It's been a long while, probably since Jamie Lynn Spears got pregnant, and they definitely got louder after Amanda Bynes very dramatically left the spotlight. It's amazing to me that all these years this guy has been under protection, but I hope the victims get some peace. And I hope Dan Schneider rots in prison for the rest of his life.

edit: also, straight from the comment section of that article, a key for those who don't know all the names:

The Protector- Sumner Redstone
The Corporation- Viacom
The Producer- Dan Schneider
The Network- Nickelodeon
The Other Network in trouble- MTV
Deceased Ex-Executive- Brad Grey
Nemesis- Rupert Murdoch
Victim 1- Amanda Bynes
Victim 2- Jamie Lynn Spears
Victim 3- Jeanette McCurdy
Victim 4- Ariana Grande
Escort- unknown
New Boss- Shari Redstone
Payoff Shows- The Amanda Show (Bynes), What I like about you (Bynes), Sam & Cat (Grande,McCurdy), Eye Candy (Justice), Zoey 101 (Cosgrove, Spears), ICarly (Justice, Grande, Cosgrove), Victorious (Justice)

I�m having a hard time imagining Rupert Murdoch doing something decent.

On a less joking note everything about that is absolutely horrific.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 09:01

Snowman_McK: Jan 31, 2010

jet sanchEz posted:

Yeah but the next time some rear end in a top hat is accused they can try the "This is just like Ansari and the hit-job by Babe" and people might just buy it.

They'll already buy 'All thirty women accusing Cosby are lying.'

quote:

If the Washington Post hadn't been very careful with the Roy Moore story, there'd be a (known) pedophile sitting in the U.S. senate.

Again, Babe was actually careful in the story itself, nothing of the facts have been disputed by anyone. This is just about decorum.

Hat Thoughts posted:

https://twitter.com/Mediaite/status/954574729943404544

Hmmm...is that right Bill Maher? 👀

Bill Maher is worthless and seems determined to remain so.

Also, gently caress Dan Schneider.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 10:26

Lovely Joe Stalin: Jun 12, 2007; Our Lovely Wang

Snowman_McK posted:

They'll already buy 'All thirty women accusing Cosby are lying.'

Some people do. Some people are unreachable. Most people are not. You are using a fringe minority as a reason not to consider the majority of people.

Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Jan 21, 2018

# ? Jan 21, 2018 10:44

Snowman_McK: Jan 31, 2010

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

Some people do. Some people are unreachable. Most people are not. You are using a fringe minority as a reason not to consider the majority of people.

The majority probably believe the story and don't give a poo poo about the slapfight between Babe and 'proper' outlests unless you go on about it and turn it into a bigger issue than the story itself, which you seem determined to do.

Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 11:46 on Jan 21, 2018

# ? Jan 21, 2018 11:41

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Inescapable Duck posted:

I recall wondering the odds on whether it was Uncle Dan who got Jamie-Lynn Spears pregnant, which ended her career with Nick. IIRC they pinned it on her boyfriend.

Would be nice to see him going down hard.

It's been heavily rumoured for a while that he was the father when her boyfriend left after wanting her to get a paternity test. Jeanette McCurdy posted a couple of vines that were 'jokes' about how she knows he watches her vines and another where she shows her bruises that you can either put down to really dark humour or that she's been calling him out in a low-key way.

# ? Jan 21, 2018 23:30

Tart Kitty: Dec 17, 2016; Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

One of the things that�s super lovely about the Dan Schneider situation is that the rumors have been around forever. Like in a much more visible way than anything Weinstein-related was. But because the victims were kids, and the parents were willing to take payouts in some cases, the whole thing stands at this really ugly crossroads of �not believing the victims� and �take the money and move on.� So this dude is still out there making kids television shows and making bank, and harming god knows who else all the while. Like he never lost a step in his career despite everything. If you want to take an exact look at a company weighing profits vs liability, Viacom is a perfect example.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 01:06

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

just for reference:

google "Dan Schneider" and look at the images and it's nothing but him with his arm around incredibly uncomfortable young women (and also one with an older woman with Kenan Thompson, who still looks uncomfortable)

# ? Jan 22, 2018 01:10

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD: Sep 14, 2007; everything is yours

loving LOOK AT HIM

# ? Jan 22, 2018 01:12

esperterra: Mar 24, 2010; SHINee's back

There's a bunch of pics of him and Miranda Cosgrove where she looks on the verge of tears, too. He's such a creep.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 01:15

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD: Sep 14, 2007; everything is yours

esperterra posted:

There's a bunch of pics of him and Miranda Cosgrove where she looks on the verge of tears, too. He's such a creep.

I'm not one for judging people based on how they look...but come on.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 01:21

precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

What's this bit referring to?

quote:

All the while the Producer continued his abuses/crimes and even got bold enough to allude to them in his own shows.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 01:26

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

this one is my "favorite"

this is not edited in any way (other than to add that filter over the top), this was actually taken when Michelle Obama did a guest spot on iCarly. Michelle Obama, who is the wife of a politician, is making a face at the camera as if she's signalling her Secret Service protection to get her the gently caress out of there now

edit:

precision posted:

What's this bit referring to?

I dunno specifically but there's a pattern of more fetishistic behavior in his shows as time goes on. I haven't actually watched any of it (because barf) but I've heard people talk about episodes of Sam and Kat as if they're clearly made to be wank material for someone.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 01:27

Tart Kitty: Dec 17, 2016; Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Well I guess we know what photo Fox News is going to run with when the poo poo hits the fan on this one.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 01:29

Corrosion: May 28, 2008

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

loving LOOK AT HIM

He straight up looks like Randall Flagg out of that 90s ABC Stand miniseries.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 01:31

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD: Sep 14, 2007; everything is yours

Randall Flagg looked less obviously evil.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 01:32

Corrosion: May 28, 2008

Well thats true, what hope does an imitation have vs the original?

# ? Jan 22, 2018 01:34

Tart Kitty: Dec 17, 2016; Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

He looks like Neil Diamond, if all of Neil Diamond�s blood had been replaced with gravy.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 01:36

Origami Dali: Jan 7, 2005; Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!

Fart City posted:

Well I guess we know what photo Fox News is going to run with when the poo poo hits the fan on this one.

yeesh

# ? Jan 22, 2018 01:40

Coffee And Pie: Nov 4, 2010; "Blah-sum"?
More like "Blawesome"

precision posted:

What's this bit referring to?

Apparently he would do a lot of feet material. This is a link to a random forum I found that was talking about it and Y I K E S
https://classic.atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=847101

# ? Jan 22, 2018 02:28

precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

Coffee And Pie posted:

Apparently he would do a lot of feet material. This is a link to a random forum I found that was talking about it and Y I K E S
https://classic.atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=847101

The last time I had cable, I do recall every time I flipped past Nickelodeon and saw iCarly or whatever that those shows always seemed weirdly hypersexualized.

Really odd since I seem to recall in the 90s Nickelodeon was "infamous" among parents for being "run by overly progressive lesbians". Dunno if that was just an urban legend or what though.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 02:34

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

precision posted:

The last time I had cable, I do recall every time I flipped past Nickelodeon and saw iCarly or whatever that those shows always seemed weirdly hypersexualized.

Really odd since I seem to recall in the 90s Nickelodeon was "infamous" among parents for being "run by overly progressive lesbians". Dunno if that was just an urban legend or what though.

i think it was the opposite of that because when Rosie O'Donnell came out she was all of a sudden no longer the regular host of the Kids Choice Awards.

Although she was probably an "overly progressive" lesbian so maybe that's what those parents were thinking of

# ? Jan 22, 2018 02:36

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# ? Apr 19, 2024 23:06

precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

DC Murderverse posted:

i think it was the opposite of that because when Rosie O'Donnell came out she was all of a sudden no longer the regular host of the Kids Choice Awards.

Although she was probably an "overly progressive" lesbian so maybe that's what those parents were thinking of

This would have been in the very early 90s, maybe even late 80s. Around the time of Pete and Pete having people like Michael Stipe, Patti Smith and Gordon Gano do guest spots.

Man I miss Pete and Pete.

# ? Jan 22, 2018 02:39

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