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Oasx posted:His powers could be rock control, the show just hasn't told us that. Does press material released before the season started count as the show telling us?
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Rocksicles posted:So we all onbaord with Deke being Fitz & Gemma's grandson yeah? Good. Seems possible, certainly someone on the team's descendant. Also, this is a timeloop thing where they keep cycling through it until they succeed, yeah? Something Virgil said about the Vrellnexians(sp?) in the first episode had me leaning that way, but this episode mentioned it again.
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Jan 20, 2018 22:38
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He brought rocks, specifically, with him when he turned himself in.
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Oasx posted:I think he has used his powers twice, the first time he was in a room full of rocks and the story was setup so that killing Grill with a rock would be extra satisfying, and the second time was right after if i remember correctly. It's rock control. He has some cool rockface in the comics, too. Now that's what I call a Bender! howe_sam posted:Does press material released before the season started count as the show telling us? Sure. Also having previously watched any superhero show, ever.
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his name is flint, you guys, flint like a rock
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First question, how does Robin have so many pencils to draw with for 70 years? Second, is it just me or did that sound like Iron Fist music when Yo-yo was splinter-bombing the Roaches?Ambivalent posted:his name is flint, you guys, flint like a rock So what you're saying is he's a boy scout.
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Look I know zero about the comics and even I know how this plays out: Daisy: I must summon all my power to defeat Graviton Graviton: Oh no we have caused a terrible chain reaction Flint: I will hold the world together with my powers somehow it's ok Everyone: 
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Rocksicles posted:So we all onbaord with Deke being Mack & Yoyo's grandson yeah? Good. ftfy
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Chokes McGee posted:Look I know zero about the comics and even I know how this plays out:
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LividLiquid posted:I feel like such a loving idiot right now.  Rhyno posted:My heart. You are, by far one of my favorite posters here in TV nerd land.
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Chokes McGee posted:Look I know zero about the comics and even I know how this plays out: This has to be a fake-out, it can't be that simple with AoS writers 
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Flint seems like he is key, since they didn't seem to know about him in the flashback?
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Flint seems like he is key, since they didn't seem to know about him in the flashback? How would they? His parents weren't born at that point.
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cant cook creole bream posted:How would they? His parents weren't born at that point. But those characters came back from the Lighthouse future. They met, presumably, everyone in the Lighthouse while they were there. Unless I somehow missed something.
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I got the impression that in the flashback they knew about Flint, but also knew that he's not going to be born until decades later. I think Fitz said something about it when he got frustrated with Robin (again in the flashback). No idea why they don't bring Flint with them when they go back in the first place, though. That's something we're going to see in a next episode probably.
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That episode was a bit of a confusing mess (maybe intentionally, as that’s how Robin would’ve seen things?), but I trust the writers of this show to sort things out as we learn more, and it’ll probably make more sense in retrospect.
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I thought it was pretty clear that the "flashback" was something that was taking place after the team managed to return to the past, not an alternate past. Everything they talked about was consistent with what they might say if they already knew the future. If I were to guess, I would say that someone we saw in the flashback-forward will sacrifice themselves early to prove that the future isn't written, so that the flashforward doesn't come to pass (but I don't want any of the cast to die because they're all great so who knows).
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:But those characters came back from the Lighthouse future. They met, presumably, everyone in the Lighthouse while they were there. My impression was that these flashbacks where the original version of the story, before Robin and Enoch got involved.
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cant cook creole bream posted:My impression was that these flashbacks where the original version of the story, before Robin and Enoch got involved. That's been my interpretation too. Robin's so weird and distant because she's seeing multiple potential and current timelines at once. Or at least two that we see.
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cant cook creole bream posted:My impression was that these flashbacks where the original version of the story, before Robin and Enoch got involved. Aside from the fact that Robin was there in the flashbacks, Fitz had a line about time travel that seemed to me to imply that they'd tried to change events and failed. Plus the guy who tried to kill Daisy seemed to assume that those events would happen after they went back to their time. Regardless it's all supposed to be extremely vague and confusing because it's all from the perspective of a woman who experiences her entire life at once and struggles to make any sense of it in time to be useful.
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Regy Rusty posted:Fitz had a line about time travel that seemed to me to imply that they'd tried to change events and failed. He said “For all we know” they’d tried and failed thousands of times to change the future. It’s just Fitz continuing his “You can’t change the future” attitude from season 3.
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Phylodox posted:He said “For all we know” they’d tried and failed thousands of times to change the future. It’s just Fitz continuing his “You can’t change the future” attitude from season 3. But right before that, he says (in response to May saying that he doesn't know they can't change time) "Of course I know, because we've tried!" and then after "It always ends the same." It's a bit ambiguous but it seems to me like he's talking about more knowledge than you imply.
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Phylodox posted:He said “For all we know” they’d tried and failed thousands of times to change the future. It’s just Fitz continuing his “You can’t change the future” attitude from season 3. Which IMO, implies that they've been to the future and recognise that they're in a timeloop -- otherwise they wouldn't still be trying to change the future, post disaster, they'd be concerned with saving what remains of the human race.
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Phylodox posted:He said “For all we know” they’d tried and failed thousands of times to change the future. It’s just Fitz continuing his “You can’t change the future” attitude from season 3. "Because we've tried! For all I know, we've tried a thousand times! Always ends the same. It's like a record that keeps on skipping, and we are repeating this loop again and again and again! And every time, Jemma dies. They all die. Robin can't change it. Voss couldn't change it. Even Daisy couldn't change it. She saw the aftermath, and she still destroyed the world." What he doesn't know is how many times they have tried. In the conversation you are quoting he admits they have already tried to change the past and failed and that they already saw the destroyed future and met Voss before going back to the past again. A version of SHIELD that destroyed the earth spends their lives working to bring a version of SHIELD from the diner to their destroyed world, then that SHIELD goes back in time, destroys earth and becomes the version that spends their lives to pull another version of SHIELD from the diner. Fitz is pissed off because his attitude on time means that SHIELD will never do anything but destroy the world. No matter how many lifetimes he spends bringing an innocent version of SHIELD forward in time they will always go back in time and become them. VictorianQueerLit fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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I'm more on the side of the "past" scenes being an alternate version since I feel like it wouldn't make sense for everyone to get angry and confused at Robin for talking about stuff they experienced. Also it wouldn't make sense for Fitz and Simmons to go "The time machine won't work!" if they already saw it in the future and knew it would be made. Season 5, Episode 8: The Last Day https://i.imgur.com/1v1qAUz.gifv https://i.imgur.com/OJHfqy4.gifv https://i.imgur.com/4WpZwjT.gifv https://i.imgur.com/gvi6ydg.gifv https://i.imgur.com/1OnUtPu.gifv https://i.imgur.com/Fgsqht1.gifv https://i.imgur.com/kY6gRHp.gifv
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Basically it's Dragonball Z rules of time travel and not Back to the Future.
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Slashrat posted:Nah, it'll be Graviton somehow and they needed to fetch rockomancer Flint from the future so he could make the Earth stay together during the big fight between Graviton and Daisy Not only that but rockomancer Flint's gonna be the one to piece the broken monolith together howe_sam posted:Oh, this is very Fringe. This was on my mind too, Robin seems like AoS's equivalent of the White Tulip episode
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Time travel is always a mess and never makes any sense. Either go farther back or try something radically different next loop. You have a time machine, you can change the past, nothing can ever be a problem for you. The only hope with any time travel story is a good pay off at the end and the show has been delivering on that front so whatever, just enjoy the ride.
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Bill & Ted has the best time travel mechanic
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Apparently a VFX supervisor confirmed that the alternative timeline is what happens without sending them forward via the Monolith. 
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I'm guessing Flint just helps them get back to the past by doing some rock-fuckery with that monolith shard.
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ApeHawk posted:I'm guessing Flint just helps them get back to the past by doing some rock-fuckery with that monolith shard. This is a pretty fair guess, he'll probably sense the shards and pull them together.
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Avatar was a rad show.
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sunday at work posted:Time travel is always a mess and never makes any sense. Either go farther back or try something radically different next loop. You have a time machine, you can change the past, nothing can ever be a problem for you. I'd laugh my rear end off if everyone turned and said "Hey, want to go back and kill Ward at his job interview?" But actually I think AoS doesn't have the problem you think it does here, Sunday, for one reason: The monolith needs to be activated at both sides to work, at the same time. Which means they can only return to a point in which someone activates the monolith in the past, either Robin or the US Military or who knows. But my point being I don't think they get to pick a return date like they have a time machine. It's a point to point trip. ApeHawk posted:I'm guessing Flint just helps them get back to the past by doing some rock-fuckery with that monolith shard. It could be either because right now I absolutely think that Mac and Yo-Yo are going to adopt Flint. It makes sense with all of their arcs and Flint being an orphan with no attachment to the scraps of the future. Also I still think Deek's dad is going to be Hunter or at least someone important, dead as he is, because of how much pain they've taken to not say his name. I'll be fine with both of those. For a kid character Flint's been pretty solid so far. Even his stupid "Go off and fight the Kree" moment wasn't bad and he actually just jumped in and helped enough times he gets a pass. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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Blazing Ownager posted:Also I still think Deek's dad is going to be Hunter or at least someone important, dead as he is, because of how much pain they've taken to not say his name. Hunter is too old to be Deek's dad, I think.
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Zebulon posted:Apparently a VFX supervisor confirmed that the alternative timeline is what happens without sending them forward via the Monolith. This makes no loving sense then because it's following BttF time mechanics, and now I'm going to draw a Doc Brown graph to explain why  Basically, Fitz should have awoken in the future created after the team was taken from the diner, not the future that was created by them being present in 2018.
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In the alternate "flashback" timeline (the original one?), nobody was abducted, fitz never went into cryosleep, and the earth exploded. There's going to be some event in this timeline (presumably something to do with the time machine Fitz is designing) that creates a loop that initiates the timeline we're seeing now (abduction, cryosleep, earth still explodes but there's still hope). Whatever's going to happen in the next episodes is going to create a 3rd timeline that prevents the earth exploding, all of this future space stuff, and reintegrates the team back into the present time. Or something like that, I think. What is probably insane is Robin is living the memories not just forward and backwards in time, but maybe all of the timelines as well?
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Blazing Ownager posted:I'd laugh my rear end off if everyone turned and said "Hey, want to go back and kill Ward at his job interview?" "OK guys, Jemma got shot this time, so she stands slightly to the right next time. Alright here we go 347th time's the charm." It doesn't matter. Nothing matters because you get as many do overs as you want. Just take a few loops off to plan it out. Who cares if the world blows up because we can literally go back to before that happens as many times as we want. It's like a game with infinite respawns and no equipment damage: just practice until you get it right. The only decent time travel stories are about how to get out of a loop you are stuck in. And the only good one of those is that one episode of Stargate SG1 Although the thread is probably right about them needing to go into the future to get Flint because Inhuman powers manifest as they are needed or whatever all that fate stuff was the season with Squid Ward. Sorry, time travel is just a huge pet peev of mine.
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Everyone is forgetting..there are still Daisy robots running around on present day Earth. Daisy robot could have attacked Gravitonium Man and caused this whole fiasco to go down. Also of note is Daisy didn't use powers in that video. I firmly believe Flint is there to manipulate the Gravitonium and not actually hold the planet together. He'll concentrate really hard to hold it together while they take it into space where it just gets fired into the sun or hangs out with Hive or he nobly sacrifices himself or whatever. Deke is Fitz and Jemma's son. They look way too similar when I'm not wearing my glasses so I deem that to be solid evidence. 3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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