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Mr Interweb posted:How Simpsons ever took off given how it started is honestly one of the greatest mysteries of life. The show was honestly pretty awful in nearly every aspect in its first season (and second too, mostly). Wasn’t Fox a fledgling network in need of content at the time?
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Jan 17, 2018 15:10
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Mr Interweb posted:How Simpsons ever took off given how it started is honestly one of the greatest mysteries of life. The show was honestly pretty awful in nearly every aspect in its first season (and second too, mostly). It was a prime time cartoon, spun off from an already popular live action show, in an era where there weren't that many prime time cartoons, with jokes only adults would get as well as a rude kid character that burgeoning '90s kids could relate to In other words, being a big fish in a small pond probably played no small part in its success ConanThe3rd posted:Wasn’t Fox a fledgling network in need of content at the time? Also this, the Fox network was only 3-4 years old at the time raditts fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jan 17, 2018 |
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Jan 17, 2018 16:34
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Having gone back and watched the first two seasons recentkt, it is pretty shocking what a different show it was, even compared to seasons 3-4. Also, I'm pretty sure Bart is actually older than Homer was at the start of the series now .
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Jan 17, 2018 17:27
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When the Simpsons started, it was actually pretty subversive, basically counter-culture compared to the sitcoms of the 80s where everyone loved each other and nothing went wrong.
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Jan 17, 2018 18:07
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Season 1 is still way too earnest for its own good and there's good jokes, but the pacing of them is super off and slow compared even to like season 2. Also, that first season (Bart the Genius especially) is obsessed with putting realistic foley sounds like footsteps/thumping/etc everywhere instead of just using more background music and it's fuckin maddening to listen to.
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Jan 17, 2018 18:22
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Mr Interweb posted:How Simpsons ever took off given how it started is honestly one of the greatest mysteries of life. The show was honestly pretty awful in nearly every aspect in its first season (and second too, mostly). The crazy thing is that season 2 of Los Simpsons had the highest ratings of the entire show. During the seasons that most fans consider the show's prime it was nestled several dozen Nielsen rankings down from the highest rated shows. Waffleman_ posted:When the Simpsons started, it was actually pretty subversive, basically counter-culture compared to the sitcoms of the 80s where everyone loved each other and nothing went wrong. Now it's downright quaint. They go to church and they all watch TV together. On the same screen!
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Jan 17, 2018 19:42
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Waffleman_ posted:When the Simpsons started, it was actually pretty subversive, basically counter-culture compared to the sitcoms of the 80s where everyone loved each other and nothing went wrong. Bart was really, oddly, a breakout popular character. So in addition to being Flintstones with Jaundice it had a Married with Children vibe going for it.
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Jan 17, 2018 20:34
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Bart in the merchandise and Bart in the show were like completely different characters, I can see how oblivious parents migt be turned off by the yellow cartoon boy on tshirts telling their children to be underachievers and eat pants.
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Jan 17, 2018 20:40
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Guy Mann posted:The crazy thing is that season 2 of Los Simpsons had the highest ratings of the entire show. During the seasons that most fans consider the show's prime it was nestled several dozen Nielsen rankings down from the highest rated shows. It went from counter-culture to pop culture to just culture and it's fascinating to see.
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Jan 17, 2018 23:25
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Waffleman_ posted:It went from counter-culture to pop culture to just culture and it's fascinating to see. I'd say it made it to pop culture by season 2 or 3, whenever it was they started making music videos and hanging out with celebrities.
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Jan 18, 2018 01:04
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Guy Mann posted:The crazy thing is that season 2 of Los Simpsons had the highest ratings of the entire show. During the seasons that most fans consider the show's prime it was nestled several dozen Nielsen rankings down from the highest rated shows. In fairness, that's mainly because (As I'm sure you know) Fox switched the timeslot from Sundays (Where it was highly successful) to Thursdays, directly opposite the Cosby show and other stiff competition. Network fuckery, network fuckery never changes
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Jan 18, 2018 04:31
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raditts posted:I'd say it made it to pop culture by season 2 or 3, whenever it was they started making music videos and hanging out with celebrities. Even though Season 2 had appearances by the likes of Ringo Starr, James Earl Jones, and Tony Bennett, I wanna say Season 3 is when the celebrity guest stars became a signature of the show, with just-a-little-past-his-prime Michael Jackson in the season opener.
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Jan 18, 2018 04:39
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The move to opposite Cosby is also why Dr Hibbert started being a more direct Cosby parody, with the sweaters and the vaguely Phyllicia Rashad-ish wife.
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Jan 18, 2018 04:41
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Pakled posted:Even though Season 2 had appearances by the likes of Ringo Starr, James Earl Jones, and Tony Bennett, I wanna say Season 3 is when the celebrity guest stars became a signature of the show, with just-a-little-past-his-prime Michael Jackson in the season opener. And of course you can't forget the baseball episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAJHDiO8Fr0 It's insane to think that some of those guys are now more popular for having been guest stars on that episode than they are for having been major league baseball players.
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Jan 18, 2018 05:09
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So I ordered the Over the Garden Wall artbook and holy poo poo it is so good you guys
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Jan 20, 2018 23:34
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I started watching Scooby-Doo Mystery Incorporated today as I heard it's one of the better Scooby-Doo series. So far it's okay.
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Jan 21, 2018 00:40
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Acebuckeye13 posted:So I ordered the Over the Garden Wall artbook and holy poo poo it is so good you guys I bought both the Over the Garden Wall artbook and the Steven Universe artbook. As gifts. For my sister, because it's hard to find things that she would like that I understand enough to know they're good. I barely got to look at them  .
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Jan 21, 2018 07:25
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Mraagvpeine posted:I started watching Scooby-Doo Mystery Incorporated today as I heard it's one of the better Scooby-Doo series. So far it's okay. What's your favorite Scooby Doo series?
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Jan 21, 2018 13:41
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I realised how many layers there were to Rocko's Modern Life towards the end of season 3 - I realised that the world it lays out is a strange one - and realised why as well. Most stories with cartoon animals have two styles - animals acting as people (Ren and Stimpy, Father of The Pride etc) or animals acting as animals but given a human voice (Animals of Farthing Wood, Watership Down) - however Zootopia and Rocko both strike a compromise - in Zootopia they used to act like wild animals but civilised over time and stopped eating each other. Zootopia was one, and is now the other. However, Rocko combines them. Heffer's parents adopted him with the intention of eating him but grew to love him as their own son, the Bigheads eat sapient insects who are characters in their own right but are still treated as mindless insects, the Chokey Chicken hires chickens to work there and promptly kills them for their meals, with the hiring manager himself being a chicken, selling out his own kind without a single twinge of guilt. The reason: Capitalism run amock, a literal dog-eat-dog world. Everyone stepping on each other and literally devouring each other to survive because that's what the society encourages. Certainly it has jokes about corporations, like the mall in the centre of a national park and the "campsite" that is just a paved over trailer park, but the greatest joke it tells is right at it's core - the world of O-Town is a nasty place where Virginia Woolfe would either eat you or serve you a meal in equal likelihood, depending on what her family needed at the time, which the episode An Elk for Heffer brought into sharp focus. Even Rocko, the kindest inhabitant of O-Town by far, is still pushed to satisfy his darker urges by this city built on competition above all else.
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Jan 21, 2018 16:07
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so basically you're saying it's like Kevin and Kell but less messed up
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Jan 21, 2018 16:11
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:so basically you're saying it's like Kevin and Kell but less messed up More "Using how messed up it is to make a point."
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Jan 21, 2018 16:29
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Flipping through stuff when I woke up, the bad new Ben 10 was on so I looked at it for a bit and man, that show just has nothing going for it. The backgrounds are these fairly nice like illustrated book looking styles at least, but then there's the doughy flat characters plastered over the top of it who clash really hard, who're still pretty bland or badly animated a lot of the time, plus there were a bunch of bits where they kind of hung on a shot for what felt like a few seconds too long each time for whatever reason, padding I guess?
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Jan 21, 2018 18:06
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TIL many of the people behind Unikitty were among the people behind Dick Figures
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Jan 21, 2018 18:39
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Mr Interweb posted:What's your favorite Scooby Doo series? I don't know. I remember watching a few episodes from the original series, the long episodes featuring celebrity guest stars, and Scrappy Doo, but I don't remember them that well. The 13 Ghosts series was different for having real monsters instead of people in disguises. In fact, there were a few TV movies featuring classic monsters, like the one with the treasure hunt and 3 ghosts, the Ghoul School, and the wacky races one where Shaggy was a werewolf. A Pup Named Scooby-Doo was cute. The last thing I can remember watching was 4 animated movies, the first had zombies, the second a witch's ghost, the third aliens, and the fourth a computer virus(?). I think I liked those movies since they were quite different to the shows before them. Otherwise this is the first time I've watched anything with Scooby-Doo in over 15 years.
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Jan 21, 2018 19:40
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Early season 1 Mystery Inc is a bit rough but not terrible. People have outrageous love for season 2.
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Jan 22, 2018 21:34
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I think my favorite Scooby series is probably those movies they've been putting out lately. They're incredibly well-made and really get at the core of what Scooby Doo is. They're a lot of fun. Mystery Incorporated was probably the smartest and most competent Scooby series, but in not being dumb and creating stronger characters and plots, it's sort of not as Scooby. It's definitely a great show, and it has a lot of homages to the rest of the franchise and its offshoots, even if it does despise most of the red shirt shaggy days. It's a whole lot like Transformers: Animated was, homaging so much of the previous franchise, while at the same time doing something wildly different and more thought out than most previous iterations.
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Jan 22, 2018 23:21
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I really wished we could've gotten a Season 3 with Harlan Ellison and the gang in Miskatonic U.
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Jan 23, 2018 05:22
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I only have two complaints about that show: 1. The Mystery Solvers' Convention episode wasn't canon, even within that series. 2. The final bad guy did NOT turn out to be a dude in a rubber costume. It's still the best Scooby Doo's been IMO, though.
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Xelkelvos posted:I really wished we could've gotten a Season 3 with Harlan Ellison and the gang in Miskatonic U. Regardless, I think reframing the original series as the whacky cross-country trip to get to Miskatonic was a very clever and cute way of capping it all off.
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Jan 23, 2018 06:13
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FilthyImp posted:That might do as a movie, I think. Not sure how the rights to that would work. The whole Arkham lore is public domain. The only hitch is Harlan Ellison who's just generally a crochety coot.
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Jan 23, 2018 08:16
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I'm pretty sure Ellison is amenable to people dickriding him and otherwise treating him like a God of science fiction and horror, and having him be a professor at Miskatonic U is pretty reverent. It's when you don't hold him in reverence that the crochety-ness comes out.
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drrockso20 posted:That's because Tiny Toons had like 8 different animation studios involved with it Tiny Toons is possibly the canonical example of animation being traceable to individual studios. 
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Jan 25, 2018 00:57
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Oh for gently caress's sake, Startoons. You're sexualising BABS?
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Jan 25, 2018 01:11
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technically that's fanart trying to emulate their style
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Jan 25, 2018 02:02
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Gaz-L posted:Oh for gently caress's sake, Startoons. You're sexualising BABS? They are supposed to be teenagers, also Babs did a surprising amount of fanservice gags in that show looking back
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Jan 26, 2018 03:13
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That squishy epiaode with the animator creating them has a whole personality section where she goes from goofy Dolly Parton esque YeeHaw stuff to Jessica Rabbit Femme Noir. So yeah that's all in her DNA.
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Jan 26, 2018 04:44
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Kennedy Cartoons what are you doing
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Jan 26, 2018 04:47
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drrockso20 posted:They are supposed to be teenagers, also Babs did a surprising amount of fanservice gags in that show looking back Aren't creepy furries basically what killed Tiny Toons to begin with? I heard a story a while back about Tress MacNeille who played Babs getting stalked by some guy and eventually quitting the show.
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FilthyImp posted:That squishy epiaode with the animator creating them has a whole personality section where she goes from goofy Dolly Parton esque YeeHaw stuff to Jessica Rabbit Femme Noir. The Dolly Parton part even had a very blatant gag about Dolly's boobs
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