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Dooguk
Oct 11, 2016

Pillbug
There is something about people who tell everyone how much they give to charity.

Phoney, I think the word is.

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Goosfraba
Feb 26, 2016

downout posted:

jpegs collect dust now?! CIG wasting more backer monies on pointless fidelity

Verb

collect dust

(idiomatic) To remain untouched and unused for a long period of time.

The trophies on his wall reminding him of his heyday are now just collecting dust.

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

PederP posted:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15666-Bugsmashers

At 2:25 there's some code on screen, which looks very much like CryEngine code and not Lumberyard. CE uses scaleform UI, which is basically flash. LY does not have this, does not come with a scaleform license, and uses a different UI system. So 2.6 was CryEngine, and not Lumberyard. The switch never happened. Called it. They just cherrypicked network stuff from LY onto their codebase, keeping CE specific stuff, essentially still being CryEngine.

Called it.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/954761797134880769

Blog: Irreconcilable Differences, Dec 27, 2016

http://www.dereksmart.com/2016/12/star-citizen-irreconcilable-differences/

:allears:

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D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

Ah yeah, the Shitizen All-Stars

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D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

SomethingJones posted:

This answers the question I've been asking here and elsewhere for the last week - what did CIG gain by switching?

No one has been able to answer it because no one knows. Truth is they didn't switch at all.

The engine switch was a lie, 2 days my rear end.

My theory is that they KNEW the GLA only permitted them ONE game. By switching to LY, they avoid that breach. Except they didn't actually do it.

Also they no longer had to pay Crytek 100K Euros a year for support contract.

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Dusty Lens
Jul 1, 2015

All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

Dooguk posted:

There is something about people who tell everyone how much they give to charity.

Phoney, I think the word is.

quote:

$6K+ in Giveaways & Donations to Friends on Mixer\Twitch☺️

That line shocked me with a sense of terribly loneliness. Somewhere between the idea of advertising your potential to persons who cozy up to you and itemizing the same rests a concept profoundly alien to the value I hold in my relationships with other people.

It was unsettling to read. It seemed like a good point to take a walk and call up my brother to ask about his doggo.

But don't get me wrong I love Star Citizen and am very glad to be part of this project and do not regret my investments in the least furthermore

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Every time I learn a little more about Clifford I want to know even less.

:same:

He’s a mostly creepy streamer, though even then still not up to the horror of that WTFoSaurus guy.

The streamers people are generally creepy. I don’t even like laughing about it because in the end my expression is usually :chloe: or worse.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos
There are people out there who think CIG had exclusive rights to use Cryengine, not that CIG had to exclusively use Cryengine.
I can't even

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat

The Titanic posted:

:same:

He’s a mostly creepy streamer, though even then still not up to the horror of that WTFoSaurus guy.

The streamers people are generally creepy. I don’t even like laughing about it because in the end my expression is usually :chloe: or worse.

Only streamer i like is Chocotaco. Good skills, very casual atmosphere. Best part, he doesn't play star citizen.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
If you think about it $11k would be the amount of lottery tickets you would buy over a few decades, hoping to win.
Both give us images on paper to look at, to admire and hope on.
So in a sense, its the same.

But then again, there is zero probabilty to win with Star Citizen.

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat

peter gabriel posted:

There are people out there who think CIG had exclusive rights to use Cryengine, not that CIG had to exclusively use Cryengine.
I can't even

That view is exclusive to this thread. Makes you think.

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



Lladre posted:

That view is exclusive to this thread. Makes you think.
This is a beautiful post I fear will go unappreciated.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

peter gabriel posted:

There are people out there who think CIG had exclusive rights to use Cryengine, not that CIG had to exclusively use Cryengine.
I can't even

Don't worry, they don't actually technically *think* that. It's closer to a subconscious mechanism that forced their fingers to type those things.

If the frenchman lawyer had given them some new ammo they would be claiming something entirely different right now.

By the way. I give you exclusive rights to use Unity to develop Solar Plebian and/or Love Letter. We'll sue if someone else breaks our agreement.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

Gravity_Storm posted:

God i hate this court crap. Make it stop. I dont care if CIG win at this point, in fact it might be quite funny.

CIG have to settle, they have no choice, so the Crytek stuff might not last much longer. The only variables I see are the minimum amount Crytek will accept and if Chris Roberts can somehow raise that much. Raising money is the only thing he seems to be good at but CIG absolutely have to settle before discovery.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos
:saddowns: Hi mr unreal engine, thank you for the exclusivity deal
:v: No problem good luck with the game!
:saddowns: Thanks, but erm what's all this Unreal Tournament 2018 bullshit?
:v: ?
:saddowns: You said we have exclusivity and there appears to be a game being made using unreal engine that isn't ours
:v:

Spatial
Nov 15, 2007

What do you mean AP? Crytek isn't looking to settle, they asked for a jury trial. You can't just unilaterally decide to settle out of court you need agreement on both sides.

Spatial
Nov 15, 2007

Most importantly, it would dampen the finest fireworks show on the internet. :colbert:

SoftNum
Mar 31, 2011

I don't think Cry is going to settle until they find out how much CIG/RSI/whomever really has.

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

Dusty Lens posted:

That line shocked me with a sense of terribly loneliness. Somewhere between the idea of advertising your potential to persons who cozy up to you and itemizing the same rests a concept profoundly alien to the value I hold in my relationships with other people.

It was unsettling to read. It seemed like a good point to take a walk and call up my brother to ask about his doggo.

But don't get me wrong I love Star Citizen and am very glad to be part of this project and do not regret my investments in the least furthermore

Here I was being naive and thinking CIG gave out ship jpegs to streamers, who in turn raffle them off as a publicity and marketing venture

Turns out this big weirdo just bought them for full pop to give away to 'friends' on his stream

Lol

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

SoftNum posted:

I don't think Cry is going to settle until they find out how much CIG/RSI/whomever really has.

-Let's wait until we find out how much money they have!
(After discovery)
-Fuuuuuckkkkk! Can we sue Coutts?

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

Spatial posted:

What do you mean AP? Crytek isn't looking to settle, they asked for a jury trial. You can't just unilaterally decide to settle out of court you need agreement on both sides.

I mean what I said, CIG will have to settle this for whatever they can get Crytek to accept. Personally I don't believe Crytek is going to turn down something in double digit millions and run a real risk of getting nothing due to CIG going bust, CIG need to figure out what the low end is.

I'm expecting a last minute settlement before discovery starts.

SPERMCUBE.ORG
Nov 3, 2011

Space commies are th' biggest threat t' red-blooded American Freedom we got in th' future. So me and my boys got to talking over a few hot dogs the other day and this is what we came up with...
Q: I like video games I just never play them. Is Star Citizen right for me? Also I both despise and desire females if that helps. TIA

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/Aronja_Art/status/955127755808624640

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:

Q: I like video games I just never play them. Is Star Citizen right for me? Also I both despise and desire females if that helps. TIA

How is that supposed to help us? It's better if you tell us how much money are you willing to invest into the Star Citizen legal defense team.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





The Titanic posted:

:same:

He’s a mostly creepy streamer, though even then still not up to the horror of that WTFoSaurus guy.

The streamers people are generally creepy. I don’t even like laughing about it because in the end my expression is usually :chloe: or worse.

In defense of Clifford, he seems to keep almost all of his comments positive. Even the comments in regards to SC's detractors or issues are framed in a positive way. I have to say that while I am immensely creeped out by the anime angle, and am a little off put at the extreme cash outlay into a failed dream, he seems really affable. If most of the vocal Star Citizen backers acted like him, I think it would be a real improvement for their community. I imagine he keeps his comments positive to maintain a good reputation for his streaming. If that is the case, he may be the most professional acting of all the characters involved in Star Citizen.

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:

Q: I like video games I just never play them. Is Star Citizen right for me? Also I both despise and desire females if that helps. TIA

What is your stance on consoles? Have you ever used the term "Hate-Boner" ?

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

trucutru posted:

-Let's wait until we find out how much money they have!
(After discovery)
-Fuuuuuckkkkk! Can we sue Coutts?

The complaint invokes the right to stripmine the gently caress out of all the studios for their choice of physical items in the absence of real money, valued by court appointed bailiffs usually, who value stuff at around 25%.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/Crescy_Star/status/955204862932905984

SomethingJones
Mar 6, 2016

<3

D_Smart posted:

My theory is that they KNEW the GLA only permitted them ONE game. By switching to LY, they avoid that breach. Except they didn't actually do it.

Also they no longer had to pay Crytek 100K Euros a year for support contract.

Now we're getting somewhere.

Fake LY switch -> split SQ42 = more income = no Crytek support overhead

Then they roll out the SQ42 playthrough, that awful dull thing to sell more SQ42.

They swapped out the logos to fake an engine switch to maximise income from SQ42, not only did it backfire and land them with a lawsuit but the Dec SQ42 video flopped because it was pure cringe.

That's a pretty big risk they took - Brian Chambers said they switched after legal consultation, so they've been advised that they were ok to "switch".

The took that risk in return for raising money, now I have an explanation and an answer that makes sense.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Xaerael posted:

The complaint invokes the right to stripmine the gently caress out of all the studios for their choice of physical items in the absence of real money, valued by court appointed bailiffs usually, who value stuff at around 25%.

So around $3,000 each for the coffee machine and space door? Ok, you may be onto something.

Thoatse
Feb 29, 2016

Lol said the scorpion, lmao

Xaerael posted:

The complaint invokes the right to stripmine the gently caress out of all the studios for their choice of physical items in the absence of real money, valued by court appointed bailiffs usually, who value stuff at around 25%.

That leaves the Restoration Hardware furniture worth at least double it's actual value

SPERMCUBE.ORG
Nov 3, 2011

Space commies are th' biggest threat t' red-blooded American Freedom we got in th' future. So me and my boys got to talking over a few hot dogs the other day and this is what we came up with...

trucutru posted:

How is that supposed to help us? It's better if you tell us how much money are you willing to invest into the Star Citizen legal defense team.

IncredibleIgloo posted:

What is your stance on consoles? Have you ever used the term "Hate-Boner" ?

I no longer know how to respond to any posts without first gauging their up-vote-to-down-vote ratio! Will somebody please tell me what to think before I have a panic attack?!

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

SomethingJones posted:

Now we're getting somewhere.

Fake LY switch -> split SQ42 = more income = no Crytek support overhead

Then they roll out the SQ42 playthrough, that awful dull thing to sell more SQ42.

They swapped out the logos to fake an engine switch to maximise income from SQ42, not only did it backfire and land them with a lawsuit but the Dec SQ42 video flopped because it was pure cringe.

That's a pretty big risk they took - Brian Chambers said they switched after legal consultation, so they've been advised that they were ok to "switch".

The took that risk in return for raising money, now I have an explanation and an answer that makes sense.

As has been said before UK tax credits might a major reason SQ42 needed to be a separate game. If the rumour that they hadn't actually worked on SQ42 for nearly a couple of years was true, then I'm not sure how HMRC would feel about that little detail.

Cloud Imperium Games invests £15 million in its UK studio

quote:

UKTI’s team in Los Angeles met with the Cloud Imperium team in December 2013 to discuss the company’s plans for expanding into the UK. A range of UKTI support followed, including:

advice on how to structure the new UK business
acting as a broker to other UK agencies, including HM Revenue and Customs) (HMRC) for early advice about generous government tax credits before the guidance had actually been published
introductions to MIDAS, the Manchester region’s inward investment agency, for specific information about setting up in the North West of England
arranging meetings with important public officials at HMRC and the British Film Institute (BFI) regarding whether a multi-million pound performance capture shoot would qualify for UK video games tax relief
visa support to help get a sub-contractor from Serbia into the UK in time to attend a critical week-long summit
Erin Roberts, Studio Director at Foundry 42 said:

The UK has got a huge amount of history in high quality games development and there’s excellent support for the industry.

UKTI have helped us greatly. In particular, they have allowed us to maximise the benefit of tax credits, which has further brought down our costs and encouraged us to invest more in the UK than we had originally planned.

AP fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Jan 21, 2018

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:

I no longer know how to respond to any posts without first gauging their up-vote-to-down-vote ratio! Will somebody please tell me what to think before I have a panic attack?!

I think you need to relax in a nice hot tub on your brand new connie!

stinch
Nov 21, 2013

SomethingJones posted:

This answers the question I've been asking here and elsewhere for the last week - what did CIG gain by switching?

No one has been able to answer it because no one knows. Truth is they didn't switch at all.

The engine switch was a lie, 2 days my rear end.

didn't they get Amazon engineers on site? seeing as how cig appear to have no competence at any aspect of game development and can only deliver when outside contractors do all the work that would be an advantage going into the switch.

SomethingJones
Mar 6, 2016

<3

AP posted:

As has been said before UK tax credits might a major reason SQ42 needed to be a separate game. If the rumour that they hadn't actually worked on SQ42 for nearly a couple of years was true, then I'm not sure how HMRC would feel about that little detail.

Cloud Imperium Games invests £15 million in its UK studio

Tax credits, selling SQ42 pre-orders, ending Crytek support, a payday loan, land sales and motherfucking tanks.

Yeah they totally weren't desperate for money at all in 2017

Dusty Lens
Jul 1, 2015

All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

pgabz posted a while ago that CIG are dummies and I'm starting to wonder if maybe he busted this case wide open.

grimcreaper
Jan 7, 2012

Spatial posted:

the fool reveals himself :eyepop:

I hope Ben Lesnick gets teleported inside your anus.

He aint called Big Ben the Bottom Buddy for nothing.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
Cloud Imperium Games invests £15 million in its UK studio



quote:

The Wilmslow Studio, Foundry 42, is building Squadron 42, the single player experience in Star Citizen’s universe.

quote:

When the company needed a quick answer about whether a multi-million pound performance capture shoot would qualify for UK video games tax relief, UKTI arranged for Cloud Imperium to meet with key public officials at HMRC and the British Film Institute. Having received a favourable reply, the shoot did indeed go ahead, in London instead of perhaps the more obvious choice of Hollywood.

quote:

“We have been delighted with the way our UK investment has been going,” says Ortwin. “UKTI has been very proactive in the support they have given us, willing and able to help us with any issue that has arisen. There is a certain element of red tape in any market, but UKTI is interested to make sure that our business in the UK can progress as uninhibited as possible. We’re working towards a 10-year plan for Foundry 42, taking on more space to house our growing team. It wasn’t our original intention for the UK to become our biggest hub, but given the price structure and the government support, that is what’s happened.”

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AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

SomethingJones posted:

Tax credits, selling SQ42 pre-orders, ending Crytek support, a payday loan, land sales and motherfucking tanks.

Yeah they totally weren't desperate for money at all in 2017

I bet everything spent by F42 in the UK plus the 2015 motion shoot have had full tax credits since 2014. Could be £10-30 million because I like making figures up.

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