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precision posted:This would have been in the very early 90s, maybe even late 80s. Around the time of Pete and Pete having people like Michael Stipe, Patti Smith and Gordon Gano do guest spots. If you ever get the chance, Snow Day was a movie by the creators that very obviously was originally a Pete and Pete movie before being retooled. It's got some bad parts but the parts that feel like Pete and Pete really nail it. It's a good finale for the older Pete analog, winning over Penelope Ghirudo analog, defeating endless Mike analog, but realizing he really wants to be with Ellen analog.
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21 Muns posted:I don't really trust the Dan Schneider stuff because his alleged status as a sexual predator is a meme in alt-right spaces like /pol/, it has been since before there was any good reason to think Weinstein-style sexual abuse is so rampant in the entertainment industry, and it's explicitly driven by antisemitism. There may be something legitimate to the allegations against Schneider, but there are so many disingenuous parties targeting him that I'm inclined to dismiss them as conspiracy theories in the absence of really solid evidence. Just for comparison's sake - this isn't like the Ansari case, where the allegations are detailed, recent, and first-person. I don't think this is going anywhere and I'm officially afraid for the future of this movement if it does. If Dan Schneider gets ousted over vague, malicious rumors and Roman Polanski is still off in France making movies, please let me get off of this train. How exactly are the allegations against Schneider explicitly driven by antisemitism? I've been hearing stuff about this guy for years from various sources, not /pol/ posters. I'm not sure how the fact that most of the allegations involve stuff that happened years ago makes this less believable or more likely to be a conspiracy theory. The alleged victims would have been children when this happened, it doesn't seem weird at all to me that this stuff would come out now that they are adults and no longer working with this guy. Also, the Jimmy Savile scandal was before all the Weinstein stuff came out, and considering that situation these allegations are not far-fetched at all to me.
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Power of Pecota posted:My apologies if this has come up before, but this is where I first read about the Dan Schneider stuff: https://jezebel.com/5892565/is-robert-downey-jr-spreading-insider-celeb-gossip-on-blogs If it really is RDJ (and I think it's likely), good on him. I have such a gay crush on that man it is not even funny.
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precision posted:If it really is RDJ (and I think it's likely), good on him. I have such a gay crush on that man it is not even funny. ehhhhhhhhh I love reading CDAN but the Himmmm stuff has taken a life of its own beyond when it first started to show up. I would take anything on there with a large grain of salt, I think it's much more likely someone who knows a lot of old hollywood stories and where to check on gossip online, who also has a few contacts of their own. edit: that said I'm highly convinced of the Dan Schneider stuff for a whole bunch of reasons far beyond one gossip site. The specter of a group of Hollywood power players taking advantage of young actors is an idea that has been around forever; you've had guys like Corey Feldman and Elijah Wood making allusions to it and I think there have been plenty of others who have been in and out of the industry who have talked about it in vague terms as well. DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Doug Stanhope straight up admits what he's done now. I TOLD YOU GUYS.
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precision posted:Doug Stanhope straight up admits what he's done now. I TOLD YOU GUYS. link?
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For those who are interested in the way those in power muddy the water regarding these things, google the Korean actress Jang Ja Yeon (from the wildly popular Boys over Flowers drama) who passed away nearly 10 years ago now. When she died she wrote a suicide note detailing 31 influential people she was forced to "serve" on over 100 different occasions. Since then the suicide note has been claimed to be proven both real and fake, there was a claim that her manager (who leaked the suicide note to the press) forced her to write it, one of her friends forged it (and is conveniently mentally ill and has been imprisoned), two low level people involved got suspended sentences and community service. Her CEO who 5 years later (after the initial outrage had wound down) admitted that he forced her to provide "drinking services" and only got charged less than US$25K (24 million won) for it. Now two weeks ago her case has been re-opened by prosecutors (change of government probably being the driving cause - I haven't heard much about #MeToo from the Korean media) and literally two days later the producing director for Boys over Flowers (who is one of the people that it is alleged she named) suddenly gets hit by a taxi while crossing a crosswalk and dies. And people are still happily defending the PD who died on all the announcements of his death and handwaving the suicide away because they like the shows that he produced.
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Snowman_McK posted:link? i don't wanna link to Joe Rogan but he makes a joke out of it while also confirming all the stories i've heard from friends who are standup comics. it's kind of an "i did it too, but it was funny!" which is just gross.
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esperterra posted:lol just because it's been a subject on /tv/ for years doesn't make it automatically not true. Indeed, there's a definite ring of truth to it. Especially in a post-Saville world. But at the same time, the sea of David Ike-esque lizard people theories that I kept running into when I tried to look into these rumours act as a gigantic caution sign to me. Witch hunts happen because vile rumours are sensational, and self-righteousness is seductive. This guy may be as evil as we're being lead to believe, certainly I can believe that a Hollywood producer and a billionaire who looks like Satan's perineum could be monsters of epic proportions, but being stupendously rich and gently caress ugly aren't proof of, or even reasons to suspect, anything. The idea of submitting to, or being associated with, the wisdom of people who think Mueller is secretly going after the Clintons for Pizzagate on behalf of Trump, or that references to being crazy for Bieber are proof of drug abuse, to make that judgement is cause to step back and pause.
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precision posted:i don't wanna link to Joe Rogan but he makes a joke out of it while also confirming all the stories i've heard from friends who are standup comics. it's kind of an "i did it too, but it was funny!" which is just gross. Was this in reference to his claim a few years back that he was the unnamed comedian who masturbated in front of women, rather than Louis CK?
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Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:Also, the Jimmy Savile scandal was before all the Weinstein stuff came out, and considering that situation these allegations are not far-fetched at all to me. There were people connected to Saville who lived in the USA and are themselves connected to other shadowy pedophilia cases like the Franklin Coverup in addition to DC (young) male escorts touring the White House after hours, Catholic Church sex scandals, and Marc Collins Rector/An Open Secret. Without entering tinfoil hat territory there’s enough circumstantial evidence to prove that one or more large, loosely organized associations of rich pedophiles existed and operated at least until the mid-90’s, recruiting kids from places like Boys Town and sending them to parties with important friendly older men, and that these kids matriculated into the DC escort pool (one got a White House press pass) and there’s basically a giant network of rich pedophiles running everything. My understanding is that the child abuse isn’t so much the attraction as it is the bond that keeps everything from falling apart. From what I can tell these groups may not exist today in the same sense they once did, but PLENTY of famous people involved are still in the business. What scares me is the more actual revelations come from #metoo the more we are learning the world actually resembles what Alex Jones has been saying all along. A frightening turn of events, if you ask me. The thing about Dan Schneider is it just fits - certain things are always obvious in retrospect - but people like him are just a link in the chain of abuse. The Spears family has Britney and Jamie Lynn indefinitely in conservatorship. Bynes still isn’t legally an adult. They are still controlled by the same people who enabled, profit directly from, and are ultimately responsible for their abuse. After falling out they wind up in weird places - part of some MLM cult like Allison Mack, getting involved with shady women who hook them up with sports stars, more weird, abusive poo poo. It’s like, I’ve always thought Satanic Ritual Abuse wasn’t really a thing but all of these allegations, if true, require the existence of many more accomplices than the most ridiculous SRA claim ever produced. Very disturbing stuff. Not just the fact that he molested kids but he then bought off their families by doling out TV shows and music careers making even MORE money off the new projects he invented to pay off families of children he’d abused. Ariana Grande must be, like, under mind control or something. Just a dissociative robot set to bop and not make waves. All of this is very upsetting, even if only a small amount of it is true. Also look at his YouTube channel. What’s with that picture? https://www.youtube.com/user/DanWarp I’ve always thought his shows weirdly adult-ized kids, making them look and act older than they actually were. I bet Kenan knows some poo poo though.
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bad day posted:There were people connected to Saville who lived in the USA and are themselves connected to other shadowy pedophilia cases like the Franklin Coverup in addition to DC (young) male escorts touring the White House after hours, Catholic Church sex scandals, and Marc Collins Rector/An Open Secret. Thank you for providing a demonstration of why I don't believe the Dan Schneider poo poo.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Keenan knew there was a screw in the tuna, but he didn't want to know who dropped it. Today is the day I learned that the boss from Good Burger is a legitimate monster. 
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Was this in reference to his claim a few years back that he was the unnamed comedian who masturbated in front of women, rather than Louis CK? I've heard that explained as Stanhope thinking he was the one being accused in those rumors and trying to get ahead of it by - again! - making it into a joke.
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21 Muns posted:Thank you for providing a demonstration of why I don't believe the Dan Schneider poo poo. I started looking into this stuff as research for fiction a long time ago - stories about people like Diana Jenkins or Marc Collins Rector have been around for years and idiots like Ted Gunderson and Alex Jones were the only ones talking about it. It’s very creepy that as time goes by some of these things turn out to be true. If Himmmmm is to be believed Amanda Bynes is sane and getting her financial stuff in order and will tell her story sometime this year.
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bad day posted:I started looking into this stuff as research for fiction a long time ago - stories about people like Diana Jenkins or Marc Collins Rector have been around for years and idiots like Ted Gunderson and Alex Jones were the only ones talking about it. Consider the reasons that this might be the case.
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Conspiracy idiots have no filter for who they'll listen to. This leads them to believe a lot of stupid poo poo, but sometimes they're the stopped clock that's right twice a day, so to speak, and they listen to someone with a legitimate grievance who everyone else is ignoring (for whatever reasons). Like, if the Dan Schneider poo poo is true, it's... not exactly hard to figure out why it's only been making the rounds in the conspiracy nut circles. It's an insanely loving gross story involving a side of pop culture that basically nobody over the age of 15 who isn't a massive weirdo themselves touches, so that sort of cuts down the "people who care" list right off the bat, unfortunately. It also involves a Jewish guy being a pedophile, and Jews and pedos are both catnip for Dale Gribble wannabes. On top of this, again assuming there is any truth to the matter, Viacom's PR people protecting Schneider and trying to shut the story down is part of the situation; it's not hard to believe that they could have deliberately passed the story along to conspiracy-nut sources to make the story seem unbelievable (because who the gently caress is gonna report on a story that Alex Jones broke, even if it's actually legit). It's honestly equally believable that it's bullshit, though, simply because I do remember this poo poo going around on 4chan (though, oddly enough, I don't remember it being anti-semites on /pol/, I remember it being weird pedos on /co/ trying to figure out if the Nick teen girl shows were made by one of their own- then again, I don't exactly make a habit of going to /pol/). WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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I think /pol/ leant more towards the "'cuck propaganda' by blacks and gays" theories about kids TV. Thing is, until someone actually comes out and makes an allegation, either under their own name or from an outlet more believable than a peddler of Gay Frog Theory, you can't allow yourself to take this stuff as gospel. Because that way lies utter chaos and ducking stools. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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You're right, there's been heaps of people dogged by long standing rumours who've turned out to be innocent like...
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Snowman_McK posted:You're right, there's been heaps of people dogged by long standing rumours who've turned out to be innocent like... Literally Mr. Rogers.
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Snowman_McK posted:You're right, there's been heaps of people dogged by long standing rumours who've turned out to be innocent like... Barack Obama.
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21 Muns posted:Literally Mr. Rogers. When was this? EDIT: I actually googled this, and the only references are to a guy with the same name who was actually arrested for pedophilia, or 800 articles going 'this is the one that would break out hearts' I thought I'd hit on something at Observer, but that was a think piece on how Rogers unintentionally made people think that TV was trustworthy (he was, the rest of the industry isn't) So, either I've missed a joke, or the rumours were very quiet. Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Barack Obama. For all the insane theories about him (not a citizen, secret muslim, born in a test tube) I've never heard one about sexual assault, and I've heard most of them. I mean, there was one that Michelle was cheating on him and he was loving Biden. I've heard that one repeatedly. People were not shy about throwing allegations at him. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Snowman_McK posted:For all the insane theories about him (not a citizen, secret muslim, born in a test tube) I've never heard one about sexual assault, and I've heard most of them. I mean, there was one that Michelle was cheating on him and he was loving Biden. I've heard that one repeatedly. People were not shy about throwing allegations at him. You miss my point. Why are persistent long term rumours of rape and abuse any different from the persistent rumours you list? What you are doing, is dangerous. Whether you agree or not, you are appealing to irrationality and mob mentality. You think we are being unreasonable because we won't take unsourced, unproven, anonymous internet rumours as gospel truth. You are unreasonable for expecting us to. Scepticism is not denial, it is simply the application of reason. The people we are talking about are real living breathing human beings. Alleged victims and victimisers both. You don't get to act like we are the problem because we wont just condemn them as "yeah, totes abhorrent monster" without even having a victim come forward, because there are real repercussions for real people. The story about Nickleodeon is plausible sounding in the current context, but then Obama being a secret muslim is plausible to some people. At the moment all we have is a rumour, and it should be taken as such unless and until someone comes forward. Right now it could just as easily be malicious as true for all we know.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:You miss my point. Why are persistent long term rumours of rape and abuse any different from the persistent rumours you list? Because sexual assault by a powerful person is an observably common phenomenon, while the most scrutinised figure in the world faking their citizenship, religion and the nature of their existence is less so. It's kind of weird that you need this pointed out. Lovely Joe Stalin posted:What you are doing, is dangerous. Whether you agree or not, you are appealing to irrationality and mob mentality. You think we are being unreasonable because we won't take unsourced, unproven, anonymous internet rumours as gospel truth. You are unreasonable for expecting us to. Not really. I'm expecting no action but this to be investigated. I've not called for anyone to be strung up and I've gathered no mob. I just think that, if anything, we have a glut of skepticism when it comes to sexual assault committed by the powerful. Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Scepticism is not denial, it is simply the application of reason. The people we are talking about are real living breathing human beings. Alleged victims and victimisers both. You don't get to act like we are the problem because we wont just condemn them as "yeah, totes abhorrent monster" without even having a victim come forward, because there are real repercussions for real people. No one has expected you to condemn them. But I'm responding primarily to someone who's first response was to equate this to conspiracy theories. Lovely Joe Stalin posted:The story about Nickleodeon is plausible sounding in the current context, but then Obama being a secret muslim is plausible to some people. At the moment all we have is a rumour, and it should be taken as such. It could just as easily be malicious as true for all we know. You're right, since paranoid schizophrenics find something demonstrably insane with literally no evidence to be plausible, we should be equally skeptical about someone in a position of power with a trail of damaged young women leading directly to his door, because those two are comparable. I mean, thus far, longstanding rumours of sexually predatory behaviour have been right a shitload more often than they've been wrong. It's hardly surprising, since the commodification and exploitation of young flesh is more or less why Hollywood exists Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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At this moment in time the Nickleodeon rumour is, quite literally, a conspiracy theory. It is the theory that a conspiracy exists, without proof or allegation of a conspiracy existing. A conspiracy may exist, and in time it may be alleged or proven to exist. But for now this is a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are seductive, and so they should be treated with reason, healthy scepticism, and care when repeated.
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Yes, it is at this point a conspiracy theory. But how long before literally every actress/singer ever pointed to as some Illuminati ritual abuse victim comes out with a shocking #metoo story? Maybe they weren’t necessarily being prepared for mock sacrifice to Baphomet at Bohemian Grove but my point is that a lot of the more serious allegations coming out these days sound like the conspiracy theories of 10+ years ago. Up until recently I didn’t really think Hollywood was run by networks of rich pedophiles but nowadays I’m convinced it used to be. An Open Secret shows you how an entrepreneurial bottom feeder can set up shop with some dumb fake project and use the kids to get business relationships with Hollywood elites. How many people did this same thing, but with young girls? It’s an unsettling question. bad day fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:At this moment in time the Nickleodeon rumour is, quite literally, a conspiracy theory. It is the theory that a conspiracy exists, without proof or allegation of a conspiracy existing. A conspiracy may exist, and in time it may be alleged or proven to exist. But for now this is a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are seductive, and so they should be treated with reason, healthy scepticism, and care when repeated. So...would you want it investigated? Because comparing it directly to really stupid conspiracy theories suggests that you don't.
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21 Muns posted:it has been since before there was any good reason to think Weinstein-style sexual abuse is so rampant in the entertainment industry, Just because people are acting surprised that it was going on doesn't mean it wasn't known. As long as there's been a Hollywood there's been rumors and innuendo about the casting couch. The only difference is that now women are fed up about it being treated as a punch line instead of something horrible. I mean Disneyland had a casting couch joke in the park. In fact, here's a Slate article about an expose about it from 56, http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2017/10/13/_1956_casting_couch_expos_shows_little_has_changed.html Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Snowman_McK posted:So...would you want it investigated? Because comparing it directly to really stupid conspiracy theories suggests that you don't. Where do you get this out of what he said and why are you trying to paint him as bad? Wait for something to come out and don't start assuming something is true and condemn someone and fall into mob mentality to ruin lives without justification. There's a reason for a justice system and fact and accounts. Before you start doing the same poo poo as crazies do and ruin legit problems and cases and sully the #metoo movement and want to throw stones, just give it until something substantive comes out versus rumors. Then get your rocks off or whatever at being right the whole time and how everyone else was wrong or whatever. There's weird poo poo around Nickelodeon, yeah, one doesn't have to be a genius to suspect something but don't jump the gun.
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The weirdest book I ever read was Thanks For The Memories by Brice Taylor. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show...ontrolled_Slave This amazing autobiographical account of Brice Taylor's personal experience, reveals the hidden purpose behind the ritual abuse and mind control that is being reported around the world! It shares her recollections of being conditioned through childhood in order to be used by Bob Hope and Henry Kissinger, as a mind-controlled slave into adulthood... and used as a presidential sex toy and personal "mind file" computer by high ranking individuals around the world to further the agenda of the New World Order. This book will help you navigate your way through the treacherous times we now face in the 21st Century. Don't be left in the dark. Buy this book and share it with your friends, quickly. There is no time to lose The thing about this woman and her story is that some parts of it match up. She knew both Bob Hope and Henry Kissinger. She performed in various child pornographies probably still circulating on Limewire. She’s the woman on the tape found at Sly Stallone’s house having sex with a dolphin. I found stills from the dolphin tape and compared them with the book - it’s her. The story she tells is loving ridiculous but she claims to have blown Dick Cheney and there are group photos with them together. It’s the weirdest thing. So this is what I mean when I talk about conspiracy theories from 10+ years ago - it’s not grounded in anti-Semitic undertones but the very weird stories of women who have come forward over the years. Brice Taylor is obviously batshit crazy but how does a woman involved in child pornography and dolphin sex videos know Bob Hope? Because she actually did know him. And Henry Kissinger. What part of these stories is real? Who knows. So maybe the Illuminati isn’t out to rule the Earth, maybe international finance runs on wining, dining, and procuring women for your clients and investors. This is how things STILL work in Asia, maybe it’s always been that way here. International investors come to America and want to invest $200 million in your movie, maybe they want to bed a famous actress. Maybe some people have more transgressive tastes. A cottage industry develops to provide the participants. Did Dan Schneider abuse kids? We don’t know. It makes a lot of sense, though? Did something really disturbing happen to this Brice Taylor woman? Probably? Does her story have a lot of conspiracy garbage in it? Yes. But some of it is also demonstrably true.
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Gatts posted:Where do you get this out of what he said and why are you trying to paint him as bad? Because 'healthy skepticism' is how they get away with it. Look at the reaction to any story about sexual assault, and people will still bring up needing to punish false accusers. Because that's our cultural priority. Also, because we are here lumping 'a children's television producer has sexually assaulted children' with 'the president wasn't born here' in terms of plausibility Gatts posted:Wait for something to come out and don't start assuming something is true and condemn someone and fall into mob mentality to ruin lives without justification. There's a reason for a justice system and fact and accounts. Don't assume it's a bullshit conspiracy theory on a par with 'the president lies about his religion' which is what someone here did, which is what I loving responded to. I'm not leaping to 'lets lynch him' i'm stepping to 'it's more plausible than 'the president was born in a test tube' which is a comparison that two people here have made with a straight face. Gatts posted:There's weird poo poo around Nickelodeon, yeah, one doesn't have to be a genius to suspect something but don't jump the gun. I'm not. I'm reacting, again, quite specifically, to someone who dismissed it by equating it to 4chan anti-semitic conspiracy theories.
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