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TheLastRoboKy posted:Which is weird and funny cause Chris Roberts' 8 hour letter to The Escapist claimed that the writer of the article was a Gamer Gate hack out to destroy him. It's like hey dude check your wingmen you're in the wrong formation here. Does anyone have a link to an archived version of that letter? I want to read it again in the light of recent events Edit: god drat it, someone spot my tax? I'm on my phone Mangoose fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Duckaerobics posted:They only talk about the case for a minute, but they guy says that the changes to crytek's filing (the intentionally's) said to him that whatever they found in the waiver made ortwin look really bad. Yeah, I listened to it when it first aired, and that's what I heard too. Which is why I am a bit confused by what bovis said as I thought there was something else that I missed, and which could have construed that those guys knew something that we don't - beforehand; something I find to be extremely unlikely. ----------------
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grimcreaper posted:Guys halp. I made my shitizen coworker feel bad and now hes ignoring me. Just show them The July Blog. It tends to fix everything. 
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Mangoose posted:Does anyone have a link to an archived version of that letter? I want to read it again in the light of recent events https://ufplanets.com/showthread.php?55059-Chairman-s-Response-to-The-Escapist
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iospace posted:Ah, ok. I knew the termination agreement was discussed prior, guess I was wrong on the specifics. Yeah, that's one of the reasons that, whether or not they switched, Crytek has them over the proverbial barrel because there is NO loving WAY they get around that termination clause. Not even with magic. ----------------
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To Derek (and other gamedev goons): I'm curious about the potential downstream ramifications of the collapse here. I don't mean on crowdfunded games. But rather on the industry as a whole. If CIG/RSI/F42/etc are grabbing up most anyone who will work for them - plausibly a lot of recent grads and new faces to the industry. When this all goes belly-up, will years with them be a black mark(or at least a warning flag) on an engineer's credentials, or is there the downstream possibility that the games industry across the world is suddenly 'flooded' with people who are going to take their Stockholm Syndrome practices and experiences to the far corners of the industry, having subtle knock-on effects for years to come?
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D_Smart posted:Not even with magic. That's what this dinner at CIG is about. The Attendees are going to be sacrificed because Ortwin needs the blood of virgins to work his dark spells.
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SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:That's what this dinner at CIG is about. The Attendees are going to be sacrificed because Ortwin needs the blood of virgins to work his dark spells. My only regret is that I have but one set of organs for Chris to eat raw over a severed goat's head.
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Hav posted:No, you're confused over the concept of a private server vs a private instance. Private instance is a playground that Star Citizen operates, the private server is a shitizen setting up a 'no girls aloud' [sic] universe. This was a selling point to the people that want to be king of their own domain. None of that has anything to do with their ability to do it in Lumberyard. You said: quote:Private servers were a stretch goal. They can't do private servers with Lumberyard. So I assumed you were talking from a license standpoint, from which they can as there are no such restrictions in the LY license. From a tech standpoint, they totally can too because LY has something called Gamelift which is designed to do just that. It's just going to be hilarious to see how they retrofit the PU so that a local client can actually power it, as opposed to their x.large* AWS instances. But all the other modules such as Star Marine, Arena Commander etc, can all be refactored to work as Gamelift sessions. * which are poo poo anyway, compared to bare-metal local server that Spergs will have no problems putting together or buying if means they can have their own servers ---------------- D_Smart fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Cuntpunch posted:To Derek (and other gamedev goons): I'm curious about the potential downstream ramifications of the collapse here. I don't mean on crowdfunded games. But rather on the industry as a whole. Everyone who knows who Chris is knows he's the reason his projects are poo poo, so if you walk in with this on your CV you'll be more likely met with a sympathetic smile and an offer of coffee and hugs
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Cuntpunch posted:To Derek (and other gamedev goons): I'm curious about the potential downstream ramifications of the collapse here. I don't mean on crowdfunded games. But rather on the industry as a whole. It won't be that simple - the effects will take years as you describe, but there will be so many ripples it won't even be worth filtering them all out. As far as black marks, that will be up to each studio. Some will think hiring non-developers from a scam project is too much of a risk. Don't underestimate one critical thing here - the entire industry proper knows what Star Citizen is, and who Chris Roberts is. The backers like to paint this as "CR vs Pubs" but it's just really "inept dude can't take a hint." Other studios might go ahead and pick up an ex-CIG employee - that could go in any direction. You could get great talent who now see how much greener the grass is and are better workers for it, or you could get a "do you know who I worked with" Stockholm-syndrome Great Man Myth motherfucker who constantly talks up CR's nonexistent talents, implying he took a step down to work at this new studio. Those people won't last, and they'll make it harder for the first type to catch a break. In the end, all the shitheels involved in CIG were already alive, and already possessed the cognitive defects that led them to where they are. In the long-long-long run, none of this will matter re: hiring practices. Where it will hurt for a while is, until the public learns to spot a bullshitter and stop giving them unchecked power in the hopes for a miracle, there's always a new Chris Roberts around the corner.
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Cuntpunch posted:To Derek (and other gamedev goons): I'm curious about the potential downstream ramifications of the collapse here. I don't mean on crowdfunded games. But rather on the industry as a whole. I doubt it will have a huge effect on the industry (as far as quality of game development, obviously it will have huge impacts on funding). I imagine people who have CIG on their resume will just get a little some extra scrutiny when they try to move on, and anyone with bad practices will get passed on. I'd guess the biggest effect would be ruining a bunch of young people's career's because they aren't worth the risk. edit: clarification Duckaerobics fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Mangoose posted:Does anyone have a link to an archived version of that letter? I want to read it again in the light of recent events Here you go, friend: http://i.imgur.com/KWvtdg0.gifv
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Yeah, croberts and his gang have been involved in enough failed projects that it's expected now when this poo poo-show finally collapses. Speaking of which, after I tweeted this: https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/953773216878747649 This popped up on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/7r4led/chris_roberts_started_on_star_citizen_as_far_back/dsz3g86/ quote:Dear OldSchoolCmdr, ---------------- D_Smart fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Bofast posted:Here you go, friend: Thank you 
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peter gabriel posted:https://ufplanets.com/showthread.php?55059-Chairman-s-Response-to-The-Escapist Thank you, too o7 Man, it's almost scary how much of the cultist rhetoric still is a straight carbon copy of entire sections in that letter
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D_Smart posted:From a tech standpoint, they totally can too because LY has something called Gamelift which is designed to do just that. It's just going to be hilarious to see how they retrofit the PU so that a local client can actually power it, as opposed to their x.large* AWS instances. But all the other modules such as Star Marine, Arena Commander etc, can all be refactored to work as Gamelift sessions. Yes, this was the point. Previous to Lumberyard, they were producing some network code. It appears that they decided that Lumberyard presented a better alternative *for some reason* (and I'm talking solid information rather than speculation, which hopefully we'll get an answer to under oath) and might have assumed that gamelift can handle some of the heavy lifting, which is supremely odd given the stated (and money collected on), goals. Gamelift supplies the minimum viable product to have a multiplayer game, which is around 8-16 clients connected to an instance. This is not what CiG promised, which was private game servers, full modding and a manual for how to do this. While some guy pointed out that they've gone back on this, it's one of the more substantive claims of overreach that can be made. Frontier paid a dumb price for that. My _main_ point, before we get into the inevitable drift was that one huge thing that was part of the initial pitch is goneski. The professional mod tools have evaporated, mainly because they touch other people's property. All of that agency that people may still assume is going to happen isn't. And while you could _theoretically_ throw in a middleware layer to have your client/host model do anything you want, we're four years into making doors work.
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Sillybones posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tffX3VljTtI&t=2115s 
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The Marauder posted:I think this says more about the other VR games than it does about E:D. I have nothing against it (and it actually exists) but it still seems about as deep as a puddle. The problem right now is that there aren't a lot of VR games that are well-publicized and aren't just ports of other games. This leads into the overarching problem of visibility. Nobody's really willing to put money into selling VR. Sony's been skittish about it despite coming out with their own headseat. Valve partnered with HTC to get out the Vive but is apparently too busy developing DotA2 to work on a release title. All the big studios are focusing on mass market appeal, and that rules PC VR right out. None of the small studios producing games have the money for big ad campaigns and youtubers face challenges in 'staging' the videos properly. VR is still relatively new as well - games that are being released now likely weren't started on engines with in-built VR support, and VR best practices are still a WIP. Controls, too, are still being figured out. I was watching someone play a cartoony pit fighter game the other day, and the way you moved through the arena was by swinging your arms as if you were walking. It worked, but it was still a bit awkward. Thanks for the excuse to  about VR.
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Sillybones posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tffX3VljTtI&t=2115s It wasn't posted already. Thank you.
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D_Smart posted:In the Crytek case, it's not that they are tempting to do that, in violation of the GLA. It's that they're doing all of 2.4, when they should be doing certain (e.g. promoting) things for CryEngine. It's going to come down to the judge to determine if switching to Lumberyard, which would encompass designing, developing, creating, supporting, maintaining, promoting, licensing, is a violation of the GLA. IMO, those who think that 2.4 is just a non-compete clause, are wrong. On one side, that 2.4 clause specifically mentions "the business of..". Does getting a license for a product implies that you're now in the business of that product ? I'd say no. If you get a license to an engine, it doesn't mean you're in the business of developping an engine. On the other side, that 2.4 clause does not say explicitely that it's a "non-compete agreement" clause - and in most contracts I've seen, this is usually written black & white, or in the paraprah title. Here it's not.. So there are arguments for both sides IMO.
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Hav posted:Yes, this was the point. Previous to Lumberyard, they were producing some network code. It appears that they decided that Lumberyard presented a better alternative *for some reason* (and I'm talking solid information rather than speculation, which hopefully we'll get an answer to under oath) and might have assumed that gamelift can handle some of the heavy lifting, which is supremely odd given the stated (and money collected on), goals. Well they have walked back a ton of poo poo since then, and they are covered LEGALLY btw. Not a drat thing backers can do about that because development is subject to change over time. If they are pissed, then they can take legal action, or just make baseless threats on Reddit. They walked back co-op in SQ42, and backers barely batted an eyelid. Similarly, after the disastrous SQ42 reveal, they setup a page for 250K backers to get a tee-shirt if they hit that goal. Last I checked, they barely hit 25K because most backers don't give a poo poo about crobert's wet dream. ----------------
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Virtual Captain posted:Private servers are like the Pandora's Box of Star Citizen. Once you start looking for answers you can't go back to being a citizen. How ironic would it be if SC didn't deliver private servers, when half the shitizens are making GBS threads on E:D for breaking their promise about private servers.
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Nyast posted:On one side, that 2.4 clause specifically mentions "the business of..". Does getting a license for a product implies that you're now in the business of that product ? I'd say no. If you get a license to an engine, it doesn't mean you're in the business of developping an engine. See? This is why I posted this earlier. quote:As patently hilarious as it sounds, I'm calling it now because a court has ruled a case based on similar findings. ----------------
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Hav posted:(and I'm talking solid information rather than speculation, which hopefully we'll get an answer to under oath) I'm calling it now that Ortwin suspiciously avoids swearing on a bible.
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SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:I'm calling it now that Ortwin suspiciously avoids swearing on a bible. What would you swear on in space court? A Space bible? The Stimperial texts?
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Pilz posted:What would you swear on in space court? A Space bible? The Stimperial texts?
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Mangoose posted:Thank you, too o7 Please can one of our super-talented art goons shop Crobberts face and the "Letter To The Escapist" onto this, TIA: 
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Nyast posted:How ironic would it be if SC didn't deliver private servers, when half the shitizens are making GBS threads on E:D for breaking their promise about private servers. While partly the thing I'm getting at, it won't even make a dent in the psyche. It's entirely an auto de fe that is self-fuelling based upon adoration of the Crobbers. It was a big deal contemporaneously with one of the shooters, because it effectively presaged the era of the loot crate that rewarded game play time and 'stickiness'. Multiplayer servers that are largely empty produce the snowball effect of nobody giving a poo poo.
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Quavers posted:Please can one of our super-talented art goons shop Crobberts face and the "Letter To The Escapist" onto this, TIA:
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SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:I'm calling it now that Ortwin suspiciously avoids swearing on a bible. A true star spawn would not be fazed by some mere book. You need salt for that.
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D_Smart posted:Yeah, croberts and his gang have been involved in enough failed projects that it's expected now when this poo poo-show finally collapses. As someone who doesn't start 6 shell companies a year, what are the implications here? Just more failure?
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thatguy posted:I'm almost positive that's been done already. Nah, it was Ben
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thatguy posted:Did Bootcha get taken? I too am worried for Bootcha, I think he got the SC version of "Swatted" It's called, "Twatted" or "Cunted" or something. Edit; gently caress this thread moves too fast.
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Pilz posted:What would you swear on in space court? A Space bible? The Stimperial texts? Did somebody say space court?
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Pilz posted:What would you swear on in space court? A Space bible? The Stimperial texts? The most sacred text of all. The Script of SQ42.
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D_Smart posted:They walked back co-op in SQ42, and backers barely batted an eyelid. Similarly, after the disastrous SQ42 reveal, they setup a page for 250K backers to get a tee-shirt if they hit that goal. Last I checked, they barely hit 25K because most backers don't give a poo poo about crobert's wet dream. Clarification: If CIG gets 250,000 people to sign up for their new list, Chris and Sandi are offering backers in a special "in-game" t-shirt, not a real one. When I first watched that, I came away with the same impression. "drat, that'd be pretty expensive. That doesn't sound like them at all." Then I watched it again and realized, "Oh, it's more immersion-breaking in-game digital crap. Yeah, that sounds like them."
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