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Doctor Bishop posted:The phrase isn't "imminentize the eschaton", but "immanentize the eschaton". Good job, English. You've japed me again with your stupid unstressed vowels. All things considered, I frankly prefer my original interpretation. that's a phrase I definitely use regularly, too edit: wow googling that just made me feel dumber
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I'd never heard that phrase before today so now I feel dumber 
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Jan 20, 2018 02:53
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I heard of it, but being old I assumed it was just some kind of anime thing. Useful concept though and one I'm familiar with as an atheist raised in an ostensibly Lutheran family. I assume it's because of American politics that the phrase is around now. Something like "Make the god-fearing think the end times are near by actively creating analogues to the 'end times' of Revelations, reduce them to a state of abject bewilderment and faith that heaven will vacuum them up, get their money because a rich man cannot get to heaven any more than a camel can pass through the eye of a needle". As political strategies go, I'm surprised it's had the legs.
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Jan 20, 2018 03:16
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Doctor Bishop posted:The phrase isn't "imminentize the eschaton", but "immanentize the eschaton". Good job, English. You've japed me again with your stupid unstressed vowels. All things considered, I frankly prefer my original interpretation. I had to look up "japed" to figure out that you were not being racist.
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Jan 20, 2018 03:47
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I learned that phrase from Illuminatus. 
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Jan 20, 2018 04:00
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Crabapples are any wild apples not a specific type of small bitter apple
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Jan 20, 2018 04:35
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Okay, basically, when I first discovered the phrase for the first time about a month ago (on these very forums, in fact), I mistook "immanent", which I had no idea was actually a separate word in its own right, for "imminent" and so assumed that "immanentize" was a nonce word that meant something along the lines of "make it so that something is about to happen in the very near or immediate future", which seemed like a perfectly sensible definition to me and so I didn't bother looking it up in a like I usually would with an odd new word. But after seeing the phrase again just today, again on Something Awful, I decided to look it up to get more context on it and what it was referencing, only to quickly realize my mistake in both reading and spelling the word. And like I said before, now that I've learned what the word and phrase actually mean, I still prefer my original "imminentize" interpretation, both because I find it much more amusing and because I think "immanent" is just an all-around terrible word.
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Jan 20, 2018 04:39
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Hmm well in postmodern circles the word "immanent" has currency, or at least it did when I dabbled in it in uni. It's different but actually in the context pretty indistinguishable. Probably better fitting really.
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Doctor Bishop posted:Okay, basically, when I first discovered the phrase for the first time about a month ago (on these very forums, in fact), I mistook "immanent", which I had no idea was actually a separate word in its own right, for "imminent" and so assumed that "immanentize" was a nonce word that meant something along the lines of "make it so that something is about to happen in the very near or immediate future", which seemed like a perfectly sensible definition to me and so I didn't bother looking it up in a like I usually would with an odd new word. But after seeing the phrase again just today, again on Something Awful, I decided to look it up to get more context on it and what it was referencing, only to quickly realize my mistake in both reading and spelling the word. And like I said before, now that I've learned what the word and phrase actually mean, I still prefer my original "imminentize" interpretation, both because I find it much more amusing and because I think "immanent" is just an all-around terrible word.
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Jan 20, 2018 07:51
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Is it referring to things like when conservatives lunatics try to encourage Israel in the I-P conflict because they think it will bring about the rapture if all the Jews get their land back.?
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Jan 20, 2018 10:40
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Yes!
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Jan 20, 2018 11:56
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BioEnchanted posted:Is it referring to things like when conservatives lunatics try to encourage Israel in the I-P conflict because they think it will bring about the rapture if all the Jews get their land back.? e. In its broadest interpretation it just means 'make the unreal real' but immanent and eschaton have a lot of theological connotations. zedprime has a new favorite as of 16:27 on Jan 20, 2018 |
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Jan 20, 2018 16:22
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packetmantis posted:I learned that phrase from Illuminatus. Same but actually from the picture with the girl.
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Jan 20, 2018 16:27
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Doctor Bishop posted:nonce I can't believe I just figured out the word nonce has meaning outside the Roman Catholic Church, Republican senators, and British male celebrities.
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Jan 20, 2018 16:29
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zedprime posted:That's the intersection of imminent-ize and immanentize. A very literal interpretation of make the eschaton real. But eschaton can more generally mean life beyond the current reality so its also a phrase meant to provoke discussions like what would the Millennium of Christ look like, and why can't we just do that now without him? So to immanentize basically means "it wasn't, but we made it so", so anytime someone builds something based off of their imagination/blueprint it would count, "like Donald Trump through funding it, immanentized Trump Tower"?
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Jan 20, 2018 18:00
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BioEnchanted posted:So to immanentize basically means "it wasn't, but we made it so", so anytime someone builds something based off of their imagination/blueprint it would count, "like Donald Trump through funding it, immanentized Trump Tower"?
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Jan 20, 2018 19:07
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Tad Naff posted:I assume it's because of American politics that the phrase is around now. Something like "Make the god-fearing think the end times are near by actively creating analogues to the 'end times' of Revelations, reduce them to a state of abject bewilderment and faith that heaven will vacuum them up, get their money because a rich man cannot get to heaven any more than a camel can pass through the eye of a needle". Revelation! Singular! The book of just one Revelation!
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Jan 21, 2018 04:08
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OK fair point. Did I mention I *used* to be Lutheran. But I think you mean "The Revelation to John". Also you are talking to a person poisoned by such works as "The Late Great Planet Earth", do not expect much.
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Jan 21, 2018 06:19
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Doctor Bishop posted:The phrase isn't "imminentize the eschaton", but "immanentize the eschaton". Good job, English. You've japed me again with your stupid unstressed vowels. All things considered, I frankly prefer my original interpretation. Your (ours) makes more sense tbh
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Jan 21, 2018 09:38
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BioEnchanted posted:Is it referring to things like when conservatives lunatics try to encourage Israel in the I-P conflict because they think it will bring about the rapture if all the Jews get their land back.? It involves a lake in Ingolstadt and an army of zombie nazis on the bottom
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Jan 21, 2018 09:41
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immanentizing the eschaton is basically the same as saying "mods!" you know?
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Jan 21, 2018 14:21
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Krankenstyle posted:immanentizing the eschaton is basically the same as saying "mods!" you know? Immanentizing the eschaton knew.
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Jan 21, 2018 17:08
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Jerry Cotton posted:Immanentizing the eschaton knew. alright, semi-immanentized
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Jan 21, 2018 17:30
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Supertramp and Pink Floyd are different bands.
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Jan 22, 2018 06:25
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Hyperlynx posted:Supertramp and Pink Floyd are different bands. poo poo boy I am going to take you over my knee
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Jan 22, 2018 06:27
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Krankenstyle posted:alright, semi-immanentized foreverial tied-up immanentized
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Jan 22, 2018 06:42
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In my youth, I did not understand how the world works. That there is no justice to anything, and you should not expect any. The good are not rewarded, nor the evil punished. No points are given for being better or worse than some ideal. The only thing that matters, to you, is how you think about things, and what you do based on that thought. You may get praise or appreciation, but that should be cast aside, because you are defined by inner movements. The whole universe is contained inside your brain, or the parts of it that matter anyway.
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Jan 22, 2018 11:21
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Jesus, put down the bong already.
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Jan 22, 2018 11:23
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Proteus Jones posted:Jesus, put down the bong already. maybe you should pick up the bong already, nerd
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Jan 22, 2018 13:50
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NO YOU poo poo THE gently caress OFF, DAD!
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Jan 22, 2018 14:16
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Actually thoughts are entirely meaningless as they only exist within your head and are in practice nonexistent to everyone else. What matters is how those thoughts are put into action and effect the world. Only then are they given any meaning and even then the motivation behind the action is largely irrelevant.
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They are meaningless to everyone, except you, the person actually having the thoughts. You have to live with them until you die, whatever they are.
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Jan 22, 2018 15:57
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Proteus Jones posted:Jesus, put down the bong already. thats a perfectly valid and sober understanding of the world, sorry champ
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Jan 22, 2018 17:59
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Babby's first solipsism is not some kind of revolutionary insight, but then I guess it doesn't have to be.
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Jan 22, 2018 19:01
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All insight has probably been had already by someone, somewhere. There's probably a book about it. That is neither here nor there. What matters is the personal application.
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Jan 22, 2018 19:08
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Hyperlynx posted:Supertramp and Pink Floyd are different bands. Man, what the gently caress is this?
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doverhog posted:In my youth, I did not understand how the world works. That there is no justice to anything, and you should not expect any. The good are not rewarded, nor the evil punished. No points are given for being better or worse than some ideal. The only thing that matters, to you, is how you think about things, and what you do based on that thought. You may get praise or appreciation, but that should be cast aside, because you are defined by inner movements. The whole universe is contained inside your brain, or the parts of it that matter anyway.  Also, it took me a few viewings of The Fifth Element to understand why Corbin said he was a "meat popsicle" when asked to freeze during that raid thing. I was like, "why is he lying? he is clearly a human being just standing still and not some sort of sentient frozen meat stick."
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Man, what the gently caress is this? They both had singers named Roger.
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Jan 22, 2018 19:44
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Man, what the gently caress is this? Still better than the Pantera and Coldplay thing
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Man, what the gently caress is this? 
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