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Renegret posted:we're both idiots who hate money Apply for clear homerun jobs where you're overqualified, get the offer, and reject the gently caress out of them. It will make you feel a lot better about your job worth to turn down companies who want you.
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Renegret posted:gonna e/n for a second here but honestly my biggest obstacle is job rejection fatigue. I know this feel. It's a familiar feel. It sucks.
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We had performance appraisals today. I went in already pissed and annoyed at this place, but with the added confidence that I don't actually NEED this job anymore. I have the experience and connections to get work. I'm leaving this place no doubt, but my remaining time here will be spent on my own terms. On my self-appraisal, I put that over the next year, I plan on finding a proper balance between my coordinator duties and my newfound technician duties. When he asked me to list what percentage of my time is spent on each area of my job description, I listed that 70% of my time is spent offering tech support, 20% is towards maintenance of technology, and 10% for administrative duties. I told him that 70% and 20% need to switch but it's impossible with just me working. His advice was "just spend less time doing tech support. You need to manage your time better." Deal. Here's how the next year is going: - Tech support is down to two days a week. If it breaks on an off-day, you'd better have a contingency in place because "mouse died" doesn't grind teaching to a halt. - No new projects that aren't specifically proposed by myself. I don't care that random math teacher wants to start using some bullshit LMS no one else has heard of that requires I spin up its own VM to host it. I don't care that such and such school uses virtual reality to teach foreign languages. I don't care that you want to be able to play 30 year old VHSs on the projector in the auditorium. Find a way to make what you have work for you for the next year. - This next year is solely to be spent on stabilizing our infrastructure. It's old, it's poorly maintained, and we are in desperate need of upgrades. I've worked out deals with schools all over the state to donate actually nice equipment that will result in an entirely new network infrastructure for absolutely zero dollars and I refuse to let some bullshit pie in the sky idea from entitled faculty take up a second of my precious time until we've got a modern network in place. - I will be saying "no" a lot more. People can deal with it. - Moving from analog lines to a VOIP system will save us $20k a year. That money is to go directly into my budget and is not to be touched by anyone and will be specifically set aside to hire a skilled employee for at least $40k a year. (that's honestly a lot of money around here) - Fridays I will be working from home and am not to be disturbed unless something is on fire. This is all in writing and was signed by both myself and the director. It's amazing how quickly he backs down when someone shows even the slightest bit of backbone. I got an interview for a Database III Programmer. It's a good day, guys 
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larchesdanrew posted:We had performance appraisals today. I went in already pissed and annoyed at this place, but with the added confidence that I don't actually NEED this job anymore. I have the experience and connections to get work. I'm leaving this place no doubt, but my remaining time here will be spent on my own terms. GO, LARCHES, GO!
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While you're replacing equipment make a wreath out of old ram chips and hang it above your desk. Refuse to answer any questions about it.
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Kurieg posted:While you're replacing equipment make an anarchy symbol out of old ram chips and hang it above your desk. Refuse to answer any questions about it.
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Kurieg posted:While you're replacing equipment make a wreath out of old ram chips and hang it above your desk.
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Kurieg posted:While you're replacing equipment make a wreath out of old ram chips and hang it above your desk. e: Wait, that might be going in the wrong direction
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Dick Trauma posted:There was a box of passable croissants in the kitchen this morning, so I'm not going to quit. And now there's a big box of cookies and brownies in there. Gotdamn.
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Renegret posted:Cool I just had a chat with the guy who got the last network job over me because I just remembered something. While this sucks in some pretty spectacular ways, doing the right thing does not always produce the desired result. The fact that you stepped aside to help the guy next to you speaks volumes, so please don't lose sight of the fact this was a very good thing for you to do. Sometimes life just sucks and gives you the short stick 
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I got a job offer yesterday doing exactly what I do now for a competitor but with more pay, certifications paid for, and a clear promotion path. I called my boss this morning because I quite frankly have no idea if I signed a non-compete when I started here two years ago, and when he asked why I'd need that information I told him honestly. 30 seconds later the senior vice president of the Midwest called me, offered to match the other company, plus cert reimbursement and a clear plan to move into an analyst role. I told him I'd stay if he could make that happen. He has 48 hours before I accept the other job. Hoping that was the right call. Funnily enough no one directly answered if I signed a non-compete, but given the quick turnaround and counteroffer I'm going to guess the answer is "no".
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Happy story: In less than 5 years I doubled my income and now make more than my team lead at my old job does now (public institution, public pay scale) with more engaging work and lots of fringe benefits. I still get super loving annoyed when the VP does something stupid, but it's still much better. Cheer up, anyone who's feeling stuck. There is hope.
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ChubbyThePhat posted:While this sucks in some pretty spectacular ways, doing the right thing does not always produce the desired result. The fact that you stepped aside to help the guy next to you speaks volumes, so please don't lose sight of the fact this was a very good thing for you to do. Sometimes life just sucks and gives you the short stick Something that's slightly frustrating is that I'm friends with the person who got it. I have nothing but respect for the guy and I just can't be mad at him. When I passed off that spot in the training class, he got it because I specifically requested that he would get it. If it was anybody else who got the job I'd be punching holes through walls, but this guy really does deserve it. Which is not to say I don't think I don't deserve it either. I'm legitimately happy for him and I know he's going to do well. That being said, if I ever find out that they chose him because he's a father of two kids who is forced to work two jobs to support his family because his wife doesn't work, and I'm a DINK. Well, there's going to be hell. e: but thank you, your post makes me feel a little better about myself 
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Oyster posted:I got a job offer yesterday doing exactly what I do now for a competitor but with more pay, certifications paid for, and a clear promotion path. I called my boss this morning because I quite frankly have no idea if I signed a non-compete when I started here two years ago, and when he asked why I'd need that information I told him honestly. Strongly consider taking a counter-offer. This thread is proof that there are no absolutes, and sometimes counter-offers can work out for the better. But remember that this company had to be threatened into losing you as an employee before they were willing to budge. The competitor was willing to offer you everything you wanted based on your resume and interview. They might have a bit more respect for you out of the gate.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:But remember that this company had to be threatened into losing you as an employee before they were willing to budge. The competitor was willing to offer you everything you wanted based on your resume and interview. They might have a bit more respect for you out of the gate. Very possible, but also possible that they were so wrapped up in their own lives and objectives that they needed a little jolt to remind them that their well-performing employee existed and shouldn't be taken for granted. We don't know they were "unwilling to budge" before because we don't know if Oyster ever asked for these things.
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Jaded Burnout posted:Very possible, but also possible that they were so wrapped up in their own lives and objectives that they needed a little jolt to remind them that their well-performing employee existed and shouldn't be taken for granted. We don't know they were "unwilling to budge" before because we don't know if Oyster ever asked for these things. During my last reviews I specifically stated that what I make is not sustainable, especially on 3% raises that were handed out. My boss responded that he had no control over it and in fact didn't even know how much I make, which I was a bit dumbfounded by. When the SVP called he quoted exactly what I make and asked specifically if matching the other company would be enough. Seems like I just needed to get to the correct people.
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ChubbyThePhat posted:While this sucks in some pretty spectacular ways, doing the right thing does not always produce the desired result. The fact that you stepped aside to help the guy next to you speaks volumes, so please don't lose sight of the fact this was a very good thing for you to do. Sometimes life just sucks and gives you the short stick And don't let that stop you from being a good person and doing the right thing. Sometimes it sucks (but you can console yourself knowing you are a good person and not an rear end in a top hat), and other times you see the good feedback.
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You did what you thought was right and had no way of knowing how the future would have panned out. There's no guarantee that you would have gotten the job even if you didn't give up the class to him. I do think you are a cool person for doing that though. And i'd say, don't lose sight of your morals but do look out for yourself 1st.
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larchesdanrew posted:We had performance appraisals today. I went in already pissed and annoyed at this place, but with the added confidence that I don't actually NEED this job anymore. I have the experience and connections to get work. I'm leaving this place no doubt, but my remaining time here will be spent on my own terms. VIVA EL LARCHES! (Los larches?) Oyster posted:I got a job offer yesterday doing exactly what I do now for a competitor but with more pay, certifications paid for, and a clear promotion path. I called my boss this morning because I quite frankly have no idea if I signed a non-compete when I started here two years ago, and when he asked why I'd need that information I told him honestly. Get it in writing, after corporate counsel approves of it. Get all the copies signed by you, the SVP, and a witness. Insist on retaining a written copy. You'll need that when they break all their promises and you sue them for breach.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Apply for clear homerun jobs where you're overqualified, get the offer, and reject the gently caress out of them. It will make you feel a lot better about your job worth to turn down companies who want you. One of my brothers is an industrial electrician and he applied for a job that was right in his wheelhouse, paid better, and was a shorter commute. He nailed the interview and the practical but then got offered way less than he was currently making and they had advertised, so he asked what the hell that was supposed to mean and the HR flack told him "we just use that first salary to attract the kind of quality applicants we want to hire" He declined the job and told me his only regret was that he wasn't on a landline so he could slam the phone down hanging up on her.
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And who knows, maybe he’ll come through for you sometime. I had lost a really lovely job at 16.5/hr in 2016, got submitted for a job at $22/hr and was told I didn’t get it on Friday. First thing in the morning Monday I get a call saying they want me after all. Either later Monday or on Tuesday somebody I worked with way back in 2014 messaged me on LinkedIn. Turns out he worked there, said he heard I had applied, and that he hoped I got it. My only conclusion is that I got a 33% pay bump after a month of unemployment because of a guy that I worked with but barely interacted with years before. A guy you helped get a job like that, he’ll definitely vouch for you in the future.
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Oyster posted:During my last reviews I specifically stated that what I make is not sustainable, especially on 3% raises that were handed out. My boss responded that he had no control over it and in fact didn't even know how much I make, which I was a bit dumbfounded by. When the SVP called he quoted exactly what I make and asked specifically if matching the other company would be enough. Seems like I just needed to get to the correct people. Yeah, gently caress 'em then.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Strongly consider taking a counter-offer. This thread is proof that there are no absolutes, and sometimes counter-offers can work out for the better. I think conventional wisdom is that taking a counteroffer is very dangerous. From the company's perspective, the play is: give him what he wants, but start looking for a replacement and 6 months later fire him. Because if he was dissatisfied enough to start looking for other positions, he's going to be dissatisfied again and he'll never be fully on board. Not universal by any means, but I've heard this a lot.
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Happy story: Four years ago I went from unemployed for almost a year, to a lovely factory job just to have something, to an office job, to getting IT certs, to making almost triple what I made before any certs. Sometimes things do work out, but I wasted all of my 20s and part of my 30s in awful jobs when I should have just gone right to IT in the first place.
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larchesdanrew posted:I know what a database is and I know how to finagle some ugly code to get the data I want out of it, but that's about it.
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Oyster posted:asked specifically if matching the other company would be enough. Your company values you enough not to want to lose you, but are clearly trying to offer you the minimum to get you to stay. You should ask for more concrete things, whether it's salary, vacation, etc. that makes staying MORE attractive than moving on. The other company is already offering those things and so you are much more likely to get more from them than they're offering now, whether it's through negotiating your current offer or in the future. Not to mention that unless your raises are set in stone, you could just be negotiating yourself out of future raises. "Sorry, we don't have the budget anymore, ever since we gave you that raise, haha, what a coincidence."
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totalnewbie posted:Your company values you enough not to want to lose you, but are clearly trying to offer you the minimum to get you to stay. He came back with $2k higher than what the other company was offering (and what he offered this morning) and specific instructions on how to get certs counted as tuition reimbursement. You raise a valid point about future raises and that crossed my mind as well, along with the fact that the other company has set advancements that my current one does not. I have 24 hours yet, and it may come down to if I can get milestones for advancement with my current company that ends with me in an analyst position.
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The Fool posted:Make up stories about an IT Loa. 
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Oyster posted:He came back with $2k higher than what the other company was offering (and what he offered this morning) and specific instructions on how to get certs counted as tuition reimbursement. You raise a valid point about future raises and that crossed my mind as well, along with the fact that the other company has set advancements that my current one does not. I have 24 hours yet, and it may come down to if I can get milestones for advancement with my current company that ends with me in an analyst position. Talk to the competitor, say that you'd need their salary to be higher due to your corporation's counter offer. If they cave, great. If they don't, take the counter.
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The Iron Rose posted:Talk to the competitor, say that you'd need their salary to be higher due to your corporation's counter offer. If they cave, great. If they don't, take the counter. Do not go down this road. Either take the counter-offer or don't. Once you start playing games like this, it's really easy to get the rug pulled out from under you.
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Proteus Jones posted:Do not go down this road. Either take the counter-offer or don't. Once you start playing games like this, it's really easy to get the rug pulled out from under you. Yeah you've been through the interviews and you know what each company is like. What do you think is the best fit for you? Who do you like better? Go with them and be happy.
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Renegret posted:What have I been rejected from internally...
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larchesdanrew posted:
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Bigass Moth posted:Happy story: Four years ago I went from unemployed for almost a year, to a lovely factory job just to have something, to an office job, to getting IT certs, to making almost triple what I made before any certs. Sometimes things do work out, but I wasted all of my 20s and part of my 30s in awful jobs when I should have just gone right to IT in the first place.  lovely jobs all through my 20s until I got a job as an office gopher and had time to cert up and then job hop. Minimum wage at 30, well above national median household income at 32.
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Making minimum wage in your early 30s crew checking in: I'm in a much better place now but I had a brief stint where I had to work retail to make ends meet. It was a very humbling experience having previously had a comfortable salaried job, but I'm glad it happened.
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Dropped out of uni (family's sole provider got injured and couldn't work), got an "ok" job. Got £3000 raise in a year. Year later quit that job for another £3500 raise. 2 years later, quit that job when they don't keep their promises and start giving me poo poo, get a £2500 raise. I'm only 24 and every time I feel bad about how life is going I type that out, because despite me dropping out of uni and failing a ton of classes, i'm still doing pretty well in the grand scheme of things. Onwards and upwards for all, IT is very much work your way up if you're willing to work hard. I love IT. Even though i hate it. Sometimes.
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The best graffiti came in. Last night, someone drew a photo-realistic Ronald Reagan on the whiteboard in the student lounge with the text, "Mr. [larchesdanrew], tear down this Smoothwall." I want to get it framed.
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Bigass Moth posted:Happy story: Four years ago I went from unemployed for almost a year, to a lovely factory job just to have something, to an office job, to getting IT certs, to making almost triple what I made before any certs. Sometimes things do work out, but I wasted all of my 20s and part of my 30s in awful jobs when I should have just gone right to IT in the first place. I followed pretty much the same path, except I'm still only making average money in IT at 33. But you know what? It's work I like doing and I call what I did in my 20's "paying my dues" because it helps me sleep at night!
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