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Ugly In The Morning posted:I’m pretty sure the gently caress that was dubbed over in the US as well. It did. I always read on SA it was originally going to be an R rated movie before they changed their mind and edited it down accordingly. Tony Shalub was supposed to be a massive stoner which explains his mellow demeanor and constant eating
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Wheat Loaf posted:Here's another show that was very popular and ran for about a decade which you don't hear about any more: Touched By An Angel. That's one I'm surprised hasn't been rebooted or revived on any of the Christian channels in America. Touched by an Angel reruns air on MeTV Sundays at 7 and 10pm EST. I know this because my roommate likes to watch it. I think it's the most saccharine thing I've ever seen on TV. I'm more surprised it doesn't come on one of the more feel good sub-channels like Cozi, which runs Little House on the Prairie.
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Solice Kirsk posted:R rated Galaxy Quest could have been even better. Arguably, but much like the Ren & Stimpy conversation earlier, making the movie fit within a "family movie" box made them reconsider some jokes that might've otherwise been gratuitous. I think the swearing was the only thing that made it an R rating, and apparently Tony Shaloub doesn't remember the movie being darker or harder, so the canonical stoner thing might just be a myth. Galaxy Quest is basically a perfect movie as-is, and trying to make it a hard R could only diminish it, as far as I'm concerned. e: Like, I think you can say "poo poo" a few times and keep a PG13, but saying "gently caress" once with any other swearing I think gets you an R. I'm not sure if I'm kidding or not.
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Jedit posted:This happened with Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. Remember the bit where Christian Slater drops a gratuitous F-bomb? Not if you're in the UK, you don't. The scene was cut over here because the movie got the rating they wanted without it. In the US it didn't, so they had to add that specific swear word. I wonder if that is because it has a 'bollocks!' in it - which in the UK is a swear word, but in the USA isn't.
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SpacePig posted:Arguably, but much like the Ren & Stimpy conversation earlier, making the movie fit within a "family movie" box made them reconsider some jokes that might've otherwise been gratuitous. I think the swearing was the only thing that made it an R rating, and apparently Tony Shaloub doesn't remember the movie being darker or harder, so the canonical stoner thing might just be a myth. 'gently caress' also can't be used in a sexual context to keep a PG-13 rating!
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I was reading the wikiped on NC-17 because I thought to myself, "have I ever seen a movie with that rating in theatres, or advertised at all?" Robocop swinging for the loving fences.
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SpacePig posted:Arguably, but much like the Ren & Stimpy conversation earlier, making the movie fit within a "family movie" box made them reconsider some jokes that might've otherwise been gratuitous. I think the swearing was the only thing that made it an R rating, and apparently Tony Shaloub doesn't remember the movie being darker or harder, so the canonical stoner thing might just be a myth. actually the rule with F bombs is even more zany. As has already been said, it can't be a verb. Also, you can get away with it once per PG-13 movie. drop two F bombs and you have an R movie.
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Volcott posted:I was reading the wikiped on NC-17 because I thought to myself, "have I ever seen a movie with that rating in theatres, or advertised at all?" In the early days of the NC-17 it was a lot easier to get, because they treated it as if it was an actual rating, rather than the kiss of death that it actually was.
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sweet geek swag posted:In the early days of the NC-17 it was a lot easier to get, because they treated it as if it was an actual rating, rather than the kiss of death that it actually was. It's my understanding that NC-17 became the kiss of death because Showgirls was just bad
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Volcott posted:I was reading the wikiped on NC-17 because I thought to myself, "have I ever seen a movie with that rating in theatres, or advertised at all?" I think I remember there being a movie where it got NC-17, and they just kept resubmitting the same movie pretending they edited it and they never noticed and eventually gave it an R rating.
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Iron Crowned posted:It's my understanding that NC-17 became the kiss of death because Showgirls was just bad That certainly didn't help. But a bunch of movie theatres just won't show NC-17 movies, including the third largest chain in the country.
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Tiggum posted:That was a great show. Apart from the theme song. It just had the misfortune to start around the same time as Joan of Arcadia, which was the same basic trope but (AIUI) more overtly accepting of Christianity.
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AnoHito posted:I think I remember there being a movie where it got NC-17, and they just kept resubmitting the same movie pretending they edited it and they never noticed and eventually gave it an R rating. I'm pretty sure that Hitchcock did that with Psycho, but film censorship was a lot different then with the Hayes Code and all. sweet geek swag posted:That certainly didn't help. But a bunch of movie theatres just won't show NC-17 movies, including the third largest chain in the country. Currently, but I was too young to know if that was the case back in the 90's. I do remember some theaters did carry Showgirls, and the concept of NC-17 was that it was the next rating level up from R, so it could be a graphic movie without being X-rated, which was pretty well just reserved for porn after the 70's.
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Showgirls really did help kill any respectability that the NC-17 rating had, but that was more of a final nail in the coffin than anything else.
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NC-17 was always going to be a hard sell in small towns. For something on topic, someone mentioned Fawlty Towers recently, and while most of it has held up, the gay French chef in the gourmet night ep. is a little jarring.
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Iron Crowned posted:Touched by an Angel reruns air on MeTV Sundays at 7 and 10pm EST. I know this because my roommate likes to watch it. I think it's the most saccharine thing I've ever seen on TV. I'm more surprised it doesn't come on one of the more feel good sub-channels like Cozi, which runs Little House on the Prairie. Which didn't someone eariler in the thread mentioned Little House on the Prairie had a few dark episodes?
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Iron Crowned posted:I'm pretty sure that Hitchcock did that with Psycho, but film censorship was a lot different then with the Hayes Code and all. Except no porn movie actually received a rated X. They just co-opted the rating for titillation purposes. Which is why you'd have things like XXX, which isn't even a thing. Getting your movie rated cost money so there was really no point in getting that label if you weren't being shown in traditional theaters. A couple of 'good' movies were rated X, like Last Tango in Paris. Granted, someone legit got sexually assaulted in that movie soooooo maybe that isn't a good example.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Except no porn movie actually received a rated X. They just co-opted the rating for titillation purposes. Which is why you'd have things like XXX, which isn't even a thing. Getting your movie rated cost money so there was really no point in getting that label if you weren't being shown in traditional theaters. Midnight Cowboy was rated X and won 3 academy awards
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Rirse posted:Which didn't someone eariler in the thread mentioned Little House on the Prairie had a few dark episodes? There was a guy in a mime mask who raped and impregnated a young girl. I don't even know what to tell you about that episode. Overall it had quite a lot of dark stuff just because of the time it was set in. There's a lot of baby deaths, people dying in horrible accidents, extreme poverty etc. But they get through it because of their pioneer spirit.
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Rirse posted:Which didn't someone eariler in the thread mentioned Little House on the Prairie had a few dark episodes? I remember there was one where Laura got a pet raccoon and Pa thought it got rabies, so he was about to shoot it, then it revealed itself as not being rabid, but was also never seen again.
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Alaois posted:Midnight Cowboy was rated X and won 3 academy awards The rating system between the repeal of the Hayes Codes, and the current system was a bit different. I admit my knowledge of it is wishy-washy at best, but I'm pretty sure it was just G, R, and X from the mid 60's until the late 70's.
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Iron Crowned posted:The rating system between the repeal of the Hayes Codes, and the current system was a bit different. I admit my knowledge of it is wishy-washy at best, but I'm pretty sure it was just G, R, and X from the mid 60's until the late 70's. Not quite. There was also M for mature which was renamed GP then PG.
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SEX BURRITO posted:There was a guy in a mime mask who raped and impregnated a young girl. I don't even know what to tell you about that episode. I could have sworn there was an episode, maybe it was one of the TV movies, where Albert was dying of cancer and bemoaned he'd never get to court a woman. Watching that hit me hard because dying a virgin was one of my biggest fears. Insert joke about how I'm still coping with it. Krispy Wafer has a new favorite as of 17:33 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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Krispy Wafer posted:I could have sworn there was an episode, maybe it was one of the TV movies, where Albert was dying of cancer and bemoaned he'd never get to court a woman. Dude, you can't swing at your own pitches like that
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spog posted:I wonder if that is because it has a 'bollocks!' in it - which in the UK is a swear word, but in the USA isn't. I forget which one it was exactly, but DS9 had an episode supposedly censored for that same reason in the UK because Chief O'Brien uttered the word "bollocks".
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Do in-universe racial slurs count against them re: ratings?
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Volcott posted:Do in-universe racial slurs count against them re: ratings? Woah woah woah! Knife-ear?! Listen, buddy if elfs existed this would be incredibly offensive. I'm sorry but I gotta give you an R. BIG FLUFFY DOG has a new favorite as of 18:43 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Woah woah woah! Knife-ear?! Listen, buddy if elfs existed this would be incredibly offensive. I'm sorry but I gotta give you an R. I'm just saying, England is basically a fictional country at this point.
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Hi it's me, the conservative strawman of what Breitbart thinks the modern left is like, and I'm here to make sure that the tragedies of the Dwarven people are treated with compassion and respect.
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SpacePig posted:e: Like, I think you can say "poo poo" a few times and keep a PG13, but saying "gently caress" once with any other swearing I think gets you an R. I'm not sure if I'm kidding or not. You can have pretty much unlimited "shits" in PG-13 and a pretty decent amount in PG too. (I think. It's been forever since I've seen a new PG movie except I guess the last few Disney/Pixar movies.) I think the rule is something like 2 or 3 F-bombs but they can't be sexual. I'm guessing some misunderstanding of these guidelines led to that line about "mother freaking Ukrainians" in the Italian Job remake.
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The NC-17 rating never made sense to me when compared to the R rating. Like, R means "Restricted", like that just sounds like it's got a ton of worse poo poo in it that no other rated movie would have, while NC-17 just suggests to me that it's more of what the modern R rating should be. Not for kids, raunchy poo poo but not super explicit, probably shouldn't watch this around the parents kind of thing. Whereas when I think something like Requiem for a Dream would get what I think the R rating should be and nothing less because to me, that movie is the standard for "hosed up poo poo" and if you even approach that level of depravity you're in for a hell of a ride
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Krispy Wafer posted:I could have sworn there was an episode, maybe it was one of the TV movies, where Albert was dying of cancer and bemoaned he'd never get to court a woman. This reminded me Albert was smoking and shooting up at one point (I could be conflating the two episodes, Albert had a reoccurring issue with addiction when it came to Very Special Episodes) and once he didn’t snuff a cigarette all the way, causing a fire at the blind school that killed his baby nephew and the wife of a close family friend who tried to save him. The victim of the rapist was shamed by her father and ended up being murdered by said rapist. Albert genuinely cared about this girl and despite being younger was willing to marry her. This was never mentioned again.
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Krispy Wafer posted:I could have sworn there was an episode, maybe it was one of the TV movies, where Albert was dying of cancer and bemoaned he'd never get to court a woman. 
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sweet geek swag posted:NC-17 was always going to be a hard sell in small towns. He's meant to be lecherous/ a bawdy drunk. The world that John Cleese and Connie Booth lived in back then wasn't a homophobic one. There are stories about looking for a specialist gay hostel for their friend/co-star Graham Chapham during Python location filming circa 1971, so they were by and large tolerant. John Inman in pretty much anything was more jarring.
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Didn't Little House on the Prairie end with the townsfolk blowing up the town? That seems pretty dark to me.
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Apparently the last episode has a rich businessman buy up the entire town to make money off the businesses, so in protest the townsfolk dynamite the entire town, yes. The fun part is that they actually did blow up all the sets so they could never be re-used.
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There was a controversy over The King's Speech getting an R rating. The reason it got the rating was solely the profanity-laden speech the Duke of York delivered to Lionel Logue. Part of the scene was censored so the movie got a PG-13 rating and it, too, aired in some theaters.
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Volcott posted:Do in-universe racial slurs count against them re: ratings? Great, we've got to cater to the loving spoonheads now?
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