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I've never watched his shows, beyond a couple of hysterical tin foil compilations the other day, so I can't comment on that. hosed up if true. Child actors frequently end up with psychological issues simply by virtue of having the kinds of parents who push their kids into that work, and the attendant ego fuckery that comes from being catered to the way successful actors are. That's before you factor in the other vectors of abuse that I am sure are present in the industry. As demonstrated last page, pictures without context can be extremely misleading. Bare minimum, we don't know. So we should bear that lack of certainty in mind when talking about people if we want to avoid the opportunity #MeToo represents turning into something abusers use to screen themselves like James Franco wearing a pin. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Not Hollywood per se, but WWE Superstar Enzo Amore has been dropped from the company amidst rape charges. Oddly enough it happened here in Phoenix so I probably saw him the night it happened. 
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Detective No. 27 posted:Not Hollywood per se, but WWE Superstar Enzo Amore has been dropped from the company amidst rape charges. My name is Enzo Amore and I'm a certified G, and a bona fide rapist
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Mechafunkzilla posted:My name is Enzo Amore and I'm a certified G, and a bona fide rapist I caught and screenshotted this a little bit ago. 
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Goddammit, Vox, this is some heinously disingenuous bullshit.Vox posted:First, an affirmative consent rule is offensive to longstanding notions of how we ought to respond to allegations of wrongdoing. Affirmative consent policies shift who has to prove what in ways that we would reject in connection with any other allegation. If affirmative consent is the rule, the accuser does not have to prove that a sexual assault occurred; the accused must demonstrate that consent was obtained. A foundational belief of our legal system is that you don’t have to prove your innocence. The entity accusing you has to prove your guilt. Of course, it's pretty obvious why the writer would fire off something that blatantly false, but still... quote:My law firm represents college students facing Title IX complaints and, increasingly, people involved in #MeToo accusations in other parts of their professional lives. Ansari’s case is a useful snapshot of where #MeToo and Title IX are right now.
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Has there ever been anything said about Louie Anderson? I ran into an old teacher tonight and the only thing of my time in his class that stuck out was him telling us how Anderson made constant unwanted advances on his brother back in the 80's.
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Rhyno posted:Has there ever been anything said about Louie Anderson? I ran into an old teacher tonight and the only thing of my time in his class that stuck out was him telling us how Anderson made constant unwanted advances on his brother back in the 80's. This is the only thing google turns up.
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Peaceful Anarchy posted:http://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2017/10/31/38288/tom_rhodes_accuses_fellow_comic_louie_anderson_of_sexual_assault Hmm. The brother was an aspiring comedian if memory serves. What a weird thing to be reminded of.
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Detective No. 27 posted:Not Hollywood per se, but WWE Superstar Enzo Amore has been dropped from the company amidst rape charges. It looks like he was dropped because he didn't tell WWE anything about it. And the first they heard about it was when the woman took to Twitter. What I will say is that her story is... suspect at best. Supposedly one of her friends has put up some stuff on YouTube showing the woman's text messages where she talks about being in bed with a famous wrestler and how they were doing loads of blow together.
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Tornhelm posted:For those who are interested in the way those in power muddy the water regarding these things, google the Korean actress Jang Ja Yeon (from the wildly popular Boys over Flowers drama) who passed away nearly 10 years ago now. When she died she wrote a suicide note detailing 31 influential people she was forced to "serve" on over 100 different occasions. There was a big protest in subzero temperatures yesterday in support of reopening the investigation. Funny how English language media never has time to notice South Korean feminists yet can dedicate infinite digital space to right-wing shitheads who are so widely hated even local conservative politicians want nothing to do with them. There's also a movie coming out next week on the subject, which doesn't look to be in wide release, but is based on interviews the director did with one of her friends. The list has been a constant source of tension in terms of the media industry's relations with the public. Unlike the American media industry, which is hardwired as "good" in certain people's brains because they support the Democratic Party, South Korean culture correctly identifies the film industry as being a major corporate enterprise subject to the same corruption you'd expect to find in other industries. quote:And people are still happily defending the PD who died on all the announcements of his death and handwaving the suicide away because they like the shows that he produced. Which is why I dug this up from two pages ago to write that. While I'm pretty sure you're not trying to be a dick here, there is plenty of healthy public criticism of the more exploitative aspects of the South Korean media industry that up until #MeToo was quite literally nonexistent in American culture. That's why they don't need a special hashtag to talk about it. To them, this isn't new, and is just factored in as one of the many frustrations with the explicit pro-corporate culture of the country under the previous two conservative presidents.
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To be fair, in order to cover Asian scandals, our media would have to do something other than report what happens on Twitter.
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To the surprise of no one, Garrison Keillor’s “whoopsie-daisy accidentally touched your back” defense against his sexual misconduct allegations seems to be total bullshit. But don’t worry, he plans to tell things in his “own words” at some point, presumably to the sounds of an indie jug band and a series of verbal sound effects. Edit: updated with better link. Tart Kitty fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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Briefly talked to my dad the other day, and he's under the impression that a British MP resigned because he touched someone's knee. And while that would fulfill every stereotype about the british that i already believe, does anyone know what he's actually talking about?
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I’d be surprised if a professional magician wasn’t a rapist. Related... https://twitter.com/nytmetro/status/955982691098353665
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Snowman_McK posted:Briefly talked to my dad the other day, and he's under the impression that a British MP resigned because he touched someone's knee. And while that would fulfill every stereotype about the british that i already believe, does anyone know what he's actually talking about? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42810724 Considerably more rotten than knee touching.
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Larry Nassar abuse count nearly up to 160. He's a villain straight out of Sin City. 3 James Franco Accusers Share Allegations About Actor: 'I'm Terrified for My Career' http://www.insideedition.com/3-james-franco-accusers-share-allegations-about-actor-im-terrified-my-career-40027
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Some Guy TT posted:There was a big protest in subzero temperatures yesterday in support of reopening the investigation. Funny how English language media never has time to notice South Korean feminists yet can dedicate infinite digital space to right-wing shitheads who are so widely hated even local conservative politicians want nothing to do with them. There's also a movie coming out next week on the subject, which doesn't look to be in wide release, but is based on interviews the director did with one of her friends. The list has been a constant source of tension in terms of the media industry's relations with the public. Unlike the American media industry, which is hardwired as "good" in certain people's brains because they support the Democratic Party, South Korean culture correctly identifies the film industry as being a major corporate enterprise subject to the same corruption you'd expect to find in other industries.
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bad day posted:To be fair, in order to cover Asian scandals, our media would have to do something other than report what happens on Twitter. Well it's not just Asia. The thread's earlier assertion of France as being pedophile island owing to Polanski obviously rankled that one actual French poster, probably for the same reasons I was rankled. Coverage of non-American feminist issues in American press is pretty poo poo in general, because one of the tools Hollywood likes to use to rationalize its own behavior is to make other countries seem like neaderthals when it comes to women's issues. Which is hardly new. Since the nineteenth century European leaders loved to use foot binding and widow burning to rationalize colonialist policy while doing everything in their power to prevent domestic women from gaining any kind of influence in government policy at all.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42810724 Different dude I think. His dad might be thinking of Damian Green, the knee-toucher who resigned. A police investigation into leaks in 2008 found porn on his office computer, there was an investigation and he was cleared of any wrong doing. Then last year he lied about there ever having been an investigation, publicly accussed the Met police of smearing him, causing the met to themselves leak that they had found porn. He also touched the knee of a young Tory activist who came to him for advice, sent her very creepy messages about a picture of her in a corset. Someone (totally him) then leaked text exchanges to the press to try and make out that she had never considered any of it harassment and was acting friendly towards him before she "suddenly" came forward with the accusations. The activist in question is now "considering legal action" after the Daily Mail edited the text chain to make her relationship with him after the incident appear friendlier than it actually was - but even in the edited texts its clear she's just being professional and civil. Basically - gently caress the Tories, gently caress the press, Snowman's dad is an idiot.
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The Damien Green thing was funny because the print media in the UK, which is almost entirely right wing, eulogised him and talked about his downfall as if it were a tragedy. He was wanking in his office, not shot by the Taliban.
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This thing isn't really germane to the subject of sexual assault but another MP, Nadine Dorries, mounted a defense of Green claiming that all her interns and staff know her login details and he's probably the same, so it could have been literally anyone in his office that looked up porn on his computer. This claim of hilariously bad infosec went ignored by the press, and when people on twitter told her it was bad practice she accused them of well actually mansplaining. More thread relevant, the reason there's any confusion between what MP got accused of what was because there was a recent scandal that went basically ignored by the media where it was found that the conservative party kept a blackmail list of their own members. Creeps, perverts, people cheating on their spouses and a couple who were just shagging each other. Damien Green was just one of like two dozen names because British parliament is a garbage fire. Also while this post is all British politics there was a Financial Times exposé of a creepy charity auction dinner that happens every year for a bunch of political and business big wigs where they hire hostesses and tell them upfront to expect groping and harassment. The UK's biggest children's hospital returned a donation from the event after the article came out. Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled grossness. Not Operator fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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Actually a huge part of the problem, above and beyond it being a rich men's gross sex party, is that they don't tell them to expect groping etc. If someone wants to take that job knowing it entails basically being a sex worker all power to them. But having people turn up to do a job of work without warning or consent, then it is just organised mass indecent assault. Hence the degree of scandal.
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Zogo posted:3 James Franco Accusers Share Allegations About Actor: 'I'm Terrified for My Career' The Franco stuff is hard for me to get a bead on, personally. Dudes obviously a bit of a creep (his earlier creep stuff comes to mind) and pressuring someone into giving head is not cool, but at the same time I'm not particularly empathetic over the women upset that most of the films they got roles for had nude scenes. Like, if you're that against it, have a no nudity contract. Pretty sure even the freshest of newbie actors can do that, and I can understand a director getting upset that someone who signed on for being willing to go nude/topless suddenly does a 180 over it on the set. And I guess this is more of a Hollywood Question, but can you really just say "hey let's add a group sex scene to this movie!" on the fly? I figure something like that would be a logistical nightmare. E: vvv I remember that, but I think I recall reading that it was more uncomfortable because she was in a raunchy/violent comedy and that was decidedly not her wheelhouse. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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I seem to recall a story about them giving Emma Watson poo poo for refusing to do stuff she was uncomfortable with on This is The End
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Actually a huge part of the problem, above and beyond it being a rich men's gross sex party, is that they don't tell them to expect groping etc. If someone wants to take that job knowing it entails basically being a sex worker all power to them. But having people turn up to do a job of work without warning or consent, then it is just organised mass indecent assault. Hence the degree of scandal. That reminds me of a something that happened in the Netherlands where the German hostesses for an "Oktoberfest" left after one night because of the constant harassment. The whole event was a garbage fire top to bottom, so that part was kind of forgotten in the shuffle and the news quickly pretended that the only groping that happens is done by immigrants. MisterBibs posted:Like, if you're that against it, have a no nudity contract. Pretty sure even the freshest of newbie actors can do that, and I can understand a director getting upset that someone who signed on for being willing to go nude/topless suddenly does a 180 over it on the set. The power-imbalance in the industry and agents telling people that nude scenes are good for your career are two reasons why this isn't as easy as you'd think. Some Guy TT posted:Unlike the American media industry, which is hardwired as "good" in certain people's brains because they support the Democratic Party, South Korean culture correctly identifies the film industry as being a major corporate enterprise subject to the same corruption you'd expect to find in other industries. Yeah American movie studios play it safe for a growing multinational audience and that means they're come off favorably compared to the #MAGA crowd, but their progressive image is a very calculated and business minded progressiveness DONT TOUCH THE PC fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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Seth Macfarlane sang a whole song about it. "I saw your boobs" which wasn't really taken as the satire on the state of the industry it was meant to be. All the women in the song won awards for the roles mentioned in the song. So an agent tells you "nudity is how you advance your career" it's unfortunately actually true.
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DONT TOUCH THE PC posted:The power-imbalance in the industry and agents telling people that nude scenes are good for your career are two reasons why this isn't as easy as you'd think. No, I get that; I figured the power imbalance was implied, given what we're discussing. At the same time, I would hope if someone really didn't want to be Topless Lady #4, they'd use whatever degree of agency they have to cut off that proverbial branch before it buds. You sure as poo poo can't make it so a creepy director will never try and make you give him head, but you sure can make a legal document saying your bits won't show up on film. It reminds me of a story on the set of one of the later Friday The 13th films (of all places). The director was like "Okay, Lady, in this scene you'll be in the shower...", and Lady immediately put her foot down and reminded them that she's got a no-nudity clause in her contract, and no amount of coercion is going to change that. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Seth Macfarlane sang a whole song about it. "I saw your boobs" which wasn't really taken as the satire on the state of the industry it was meant to be. All the women in the song won awards for the roles mentioned in the song. So an agent tells you "nudity is how you advance your career" it's unfortunately actually true. gently caress Seth Macfarlane.
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DONT TOUCH THE PC posted:The power-imbalance in the industry and agents telling people that nude scenes are good for your career are two reasons why this isn't as easy as you'd think. It's also pretty hosed up how readily people are willing to accept the idea that you can contractually sign away your right to consent.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:gently caress Seth Macfarlane. Ok. I don't really wanna but as long as he sings to me after.
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MisterBibs posted:The Franco stuff is hard for me to get a bead on, personally. Dudes obviously a bit of a creep (his earlier creep stuff comes to mind) and pressuring someone into giving head is not cool, but at the same time I'm not particularly empathetic over the women upset that most of the films they got roles for had nude scenes. Salma Hayek posted:He offered me one option to continue. He would let me finish the film if I agreed to do a sex scene with another woman. And he demanded full-frontal nudity.
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MisterBibs posted:No, I get that; I figured the power imbalance was implied, given what we're discussing. At the same time, I would hope if someone really didn't want to be Topless Lady #4, they'd use whatever degree of agency they have to cut off that proverbial branch before it buds. You sure as poo poo can't make it so a creepy director will never try and make you give him head, but you sure can make a legal document saying your bits won't show up on film. The point is is that they’re not going to get work if they don’t do the nude scene. That’s the problem. Not a surprise you don’t get it though.
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GonSmithe posted:The point is is that they’re not going to get work if they don’t do the nude scene. That’s the problem. That's a false dichotomy, though. Sure, they might not get the role of Topless Girl #4 if they won't drop trou, but there's plenty of actresses in plenty of films who've never done nudity, ever. It's not a career ender. poo poo, being Topless Girl #4 might be the kind of role you don't want on your filmography. Like, I get the fear of rejecting a part that might've been your big break, especially if James Franco is running the joint. That's the aforementioned power-imbalance stuff at work. But with concrete contracts (either way, nudity wise) is a slim/slight way of balancing that power. As we're learning, women are being taken advantage by this cesspool of a system left and right, so you have to take whatever you can to protect yourself. Sure, the best solution is not to make anyone feel bad for not doing topless roles, but that's a bridge too far for Hollywood. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Seth Macfarlane sang a whole song about it. "I saw your boobs" which wasn't really taken as the satire on the state of the industry it was meant to be. All the women in the song won awards for the roles mentioned in the song. So an agent tells you "nudity is how you advance your career" it's unfortunately actually true.
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MisterBibs posted:It's not a career ender. It absolutely can be. Not everyone in Hollywood is an abusive oval office, and even amongst them not all have a great deal of actual power. Saying no to them won't be a problem. The fear is that by saying no to the wrong person you make an enemy who will damage or stop your career. That is where the power imbalance comes in. One person can kill your career dead in its tracks by labelling you 'difficult' and you aren't necessarily going to know if the arsehole you're dealing with in the moment has that degree of power or not. Especially if you're new to the business. Ashley Judd, a woman with all the box office draw and career success an actor could hope for effectively lost it all overnight because she crossed the wrong person. And by crossed I mean she said "no". Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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CelticPredator posted:Im fine with waiting until someone comes out and says all that about Dan Schneider Don't fat shame.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:It absolutely can be. Not everyone in Hollywood is an abusive oval office, and even amongst them not all have a great deal of actual power. Saying no to them won't be a problem. The fear is that by saying no to the wrong person you make an enemy who will damage or stop your career. That is where the power imbalance comes in. One person can kill your career dead in its tracks by labelling you 'difficult' and you aren't necessarily going to know if the arsehole you're dealing with in the moment has that degree of power or not. Especially if you're new to the business. I'm not disagreeing with any of that, which is why I said that in the very post you quoted. That stuff is bullshit and gross and wrong, but I don't see what an actor (especially a fledgling one like the women in the article were) can do about systemic poo poo like that outside of slapping a no-nudity clause on yourself and hoping that a casting director on the planet won't immediately hate you for it and spreads that knowledge around. Sure, you have to accept any regret you might have, but you're also avoiding situations where a director starts talking about orgy scenes.
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