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Floodkiller posted:That sounds like it might work for shining eyes, so I'll keep it in mind. Orbs of fire would probably be way too insane with that (monster spellpower is based on HD, so you'd probably need 4+ pips of MR to resist it and a bad polymorph would be awful while fighting orbs of fire).
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heard u like girls posted:Pls no, the fire wand is perfect to kill electrical eels with and magic dart is some worthless bullshit compromise position: make the fire wand never miss
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PMush Perfect posted:Combine the ideas? Do that for shining, and make OoF check MR? Make OoF's spew mutagenic clouds. Not sure the exact mechanic, but there are a few ways it could be done
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Samog posted:compromise position: make the fire wand never miss give it smiting 
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I don't mind specifically orbs of fire having malmutate. They're crawl's most famous gently caress-you monster, and part of their mystique is that any encounter with an OOF can gently caress you over permanently even if you survive. I am not a big fan of this kind of design for most monsters, but I think it adds a distinctive touch for there to be the occasional enemy that breaks the rules. Clouds of malmutate gas cateblopas style seem fine too, or they could simply statrot you intensively for a similar kind of medium-term risk.
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I wouldn't mind if orbs of fire could only give you blurry vision as long as that's the only thing they can do muts wise. Perhaps it could be a LOS type thing.
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^^ Currently malmutate does use LoS beam targetting, it's the only way to 'play around' it. I'm also chiming in with I really don't mind OOF's getting malmutate, since they are literally the 'boss monsters' for a 3 rune run. Or 15 runes, if you don't clear Z:5 first. It's the other little bastards who are the problem imo. But as always, it's Floodkiller's prerogative!
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Gooncrawl progress update:
Blades of Disaster poll closed, with an overwhelming amount of yes votes (there was a "No" vote, but they also had a second vote as "I don't care" with a later timestamp so I took that). Voting results here (I left comments this time in case Heithinn Grasida wants to adjust anything based on them before I merge): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IZccabWVr5P3JZkS0XO0YoIw3hPliHktq1j1pshBjHU/edit?usp=drivesdk I'll also be merging Araganzar's crablang pull request (after a minor fix). I won't start a poll for this one because it's an rcfile language option and doesn't directly affect the gameplay. PS-Somebody save me from my programmer art: 
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Sage Grimm posted:Change shining eyes and orbs of fire gaze attacks to fire off mutagenic clouds similar to the stoning ones from catoblepas. Bam, done, don't linger in them.
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I've been convinced on letting OOFs stay as they are. However, shining eyes are slower and in a less tense environment so moving a tile isn't as expensive.
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I'm fine with letting OoF keep their malmutate or whatever change people like (clouds are my favourite so far) but anyone who likes Shining Eyes or Nexcoycxstssd or Cacodemons keeping their lovely gaze needs to have their twisted and deformed head checked.
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My problem with catelbopas clouds is that it makes a whole stream of them. Better to just fire off a single cloud like a draconian or a ring of clouds around the target like an ophan.
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Speleothing posted:My problem with catelbopas clouds is that it makes a whole stream of them. Better to just fire off a single cloud like a draconian or a ring of clouds around the target like an ophan. CattleBros clouds are already piss weak, why would you want to make them shittier? After my first game against them, I cleared Lair then went to the wiki to find out what those weird clouds did. It's not like I'm an idiot who stood in them to see what'd happen? How is their beam-cloud an issue? Even in their generated L:8 Vaults the corridors are plenty wide enough to step aside.
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The problem is that Orbs of Fire generate in Zot, which usually has normal, narrow corridors
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Yeah I've railed against malmutate as well and am 100% fine with it being removed from most threats, but I feel like Orbs of Fire should keep it. Orbs of Fire are basically the emblematic "toughest enemy" and them causing rampant permanent damage on you feels appropriate, especially since they're only found in Zot. Dealing with "permanent damage" in like the last ten minutes of the game is totally fine imo.
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Mighty Dicktron posted:Yeah I've railed against malmutate as well and am 100% fine with it being removed from most threats, but I feel like Orbs of Fire should keep it. Orbs of Fire are basically the emblematic "toughest enemy" and them causing rampant permanent damage on you feels appropriate, especially since they're only found in Zot. Dealing with "permanent damage" in like the last ten minutes of the game is totally fine imo. Malmutate has to be replaced because otherwise you're taking 50% more fire damage, but it has to be something with long term effects like stat drain, rot, draining, etc. The saving grace of OOFs is that you can stand in there without getting knocked back or slowed or having to dance around dodging clouds. This allows them to be straight up motherfuckers with damage. But when someone with finesse up has to take a step or drink a potion they can lose 4-5 attacks. I like the idea of OOFs as a creature with long term deleterious effects that will also burn you to a cinder if you worry too much about avoiding them. It's cool that deciding whether or not to clear Zot 5 means asking yourself "do I want to risk crippling mutations before doing extended" in addition to "do I want an extra metric fuckton of xp before doing extended". Can we just go ahead and give LRD to catos? I feel like that would add an extra level of oh poo poo when a yak gets stoned next to you. Also makes all the statues that tend to be in cato vaults a lot more tactically interesting. Or have some catos ridden spriggan-style by a humanoid that can cast LRD?
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That would send catos from being slightly stronger than a death yak to lethal if you ever gently caress up your movement. You get stoned and you're now a legal target for LRD. There's a reason Jorgrun packs it.
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Serephina posted:CattleBros clouds are already piss weak, why would you want to make them shittier? After my first game against them, I cleared Lair then went to the wiki to find out what those weird clouds did. It's not like I'm an idiot who stood in them to see what'd happen? How is their beam-cloud an issue? Even in their generated L:8 Vaults the corridors are plenty wide enough to step aside. There are a good number of vaults in the bottom of lair where they generate in corridors. I'm stupidly in love with making cheibros though which makes them far more deadly. If you're worshiping chei trying to step aside tends to lead to another row of clouds being shot at wherever you're stepping to in the year and a half it takes you to get there.
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Catoblepas are perfectly fine
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Gooncrawl progress update:
Still need to re-add normal sheep and merge the PRs. I'll see if I can also fit in making a couple vaults (like the ninja turtles suggestion). Aiming to 'release' v1.0 on Friday/Saturday by putting together the offline Windows compilations for download (looking for volunteers who can knock out the other OSs), as well as messaging server ops to see if anyone's willing to host the branch online.
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Perfectly happy with these changes. Very nice!
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Floodkiller posted:Gooncrawl progress update: Awesome If you could get it on Xtahua (cus im a filthy european) that would be very rad Also if other goons play there, we got a lil discord club too since recently
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Floodkiller posted:Aiming to 'release' v1.0 on Friday/Saturday by putting together the offline Windows compilations for download (looking for volunteers who can knock out the other OSs), as well as messaging server ops to see if anyone's willing to host the branch online. I will certainly attempt to build it on FreeBSD next time I notice the source is up, but I have no idea how successful I'll be or how portable my results will be. Still, I'm looking forward to potentially playing Crawl again after so long that it apparently got bad and is being made good again.
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Serephina posted:^^ Currently malmutate does use LoS beam targetting, it's the only way to 'play around' it. I guess I should have been more clear, I meant that OOFs could give a blurry vision effect while you're in LOS like how torpor snails work.
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Akett posted:I guess I should have been more clear, I meant that OOFs could give a blurry vision effect while you're in LOS like how torpor snails work. 'There's too much glare to read your scroll. Try anyway?'
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Hey you peoples with mighty configs, is there a way of making Autexplore and "Wait till healed" not interrupt on self buffs wearing off? How about not interrupting when either HP/Mana fills up, but only once both do?
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Gooncrawl progress update:
All that's left is merging the PRs and maybe adding a couple vaults. After that, I've got to update the changelog (and other docs) and move everything to a gooncrawl-stable branch so I don't start breaking things on a finished version with future development, and to make it easier for server ops to host if any are willing. Everything should be good to go for a release at that point.
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Floodkiller posted:Gooncrawl progress update:  I remember about a year ago the thread had a few pages of "we clearly need a fork now, but nobody is willing to put in the effort". Thank you for putting in the effort.
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Floodkiller posted:Gooncrawl progress update:
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Floodkiller, I hope you know how cool you are.
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I'm not actually gonna make the ninja turtle vault because I don't want to learn enough intricacies to make it a full sewer and what's even the point if it isn't a sewer
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cheetah7071 posted:I'm not actually gonna make the ninja turtle vault because I don't want to learn enough intricacies to make it a full sewer and what's even the point if it isn't a sewer How to make a sewer vault: 1) Make whatever vault you were going to make. 2) Stick some up stairs (<) where the portals out would be. 3) Stick it in the sewer file below the "default-depth: Sewer" line (line 341) if it's a sewer level, or above that line if it's a sewer entry vault. I was probably just going to make a small closet with pizza, four turtles, a rat, and ninja weapon substitutes. If you have a bigger idea of what you were looking for, feel free to just make the outline in a pastebin and I can stick it together in the right places.
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I'd also have to figure out how to add adolescent snapping turtles to the game but if that's easy too maybe I'll give it a try. All I really had was what you said except it's a sewer.
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cheetah7071 posted:I'd also have to figure out how to add adolescent snapping turtles to the game but if that's easy too maybe I'll give it a try. All I really had was what you said except it's a sewer. Check out line 972 to see how it changes merfolk sirens/avatars to a weaker version with a new name.
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I don't actually know anything about ninja turtles, is there any distinctive feature of the sewers they live in before I make thoroughly generic ones for them?
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Can you steal labyrinth passage generating code to make a maze like sewer leading to the turtle closet? Minus the passage shifting and map memory loss of course.
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I don't think labyrinths are generated via vaults and sewers are always vaults so it'd require actual code changes I think. I think I could generate 3-4 premade maps and give them each 1/3 or 1/4 the normal spawn rate so it "feels" like a random maze.
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cheetah7071 posted:I don't actually know anything about ninja turtles, is there any distinctive feature of the sewers they live in before I make thoroughly generic ones for them? They are large enough to skateboard in and they have a supercomputer. Also they can get pizza delivered.
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cheetah7071 posted:I don't think labyrinths are generated via vaults and sewers are always vaults so it'd require actual code changes I think. I think I could generate 3-4 premade maps and give them each 1/3 or 1/4 the normal spawn rate so it "feels" like a random maze.
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Put the Autumn Katana in it. I don't actually think it'll add to the aesthetic, I just want more chances at clarity on my mummies.
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