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Thoatse posted:Not at all, you're right on the money and it makes me a bitter grognard. This hits to the core of why I want to punch Star Citizen in the throat -it was exclusively supposed to not be another one of these generic pieces of poo poo for the unwashed masses and that is 100% the flag crobbler and co wrapped themselves in that got this project off the launchpad in the first place. 'dust off ur joyticks' 'no guns follow the ship' 'no freelancer controls' 'no point and click', 'controls agnostic!' and such were all actual answers given in official capacity to early worriers with enough foresight on the subject to ask specific questions to suss out this issue. I think people filled in the blanks with *dreams* more than any kind of bait and switch on the flight model. For all of CR's lies, he did say that combat would be similar to Wing Commander (aka arcade); just with "realistically modeled thrusters". People read "realistically modeled thrusters" and concluded it would be full newtonian 3d Asteroids style combat and not wing commander. I don't think anyone actually wants to play a realistic space dogfighting game; fun against dumb as bricks AI. Terrible against humans.
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G0RF posted:“People who buy lots of spaceships aren’t stupid.” — Ben Lesnick, Master of Ships. No, a joke in itself is when a midget eats itself! ~ Ben Lesnick, I'd call him a oval office but he lacks the depth or warmth to give pleasure.
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Eldragon posted:I think people filled in the blanks with *dreams* more than any kind of bait and switch on the flight model. For all of CR's lies, he did say that combat would be similar to Wing Commander (aka arcade); just with "realistically modeled thrusters". It never felt like wing commander though. It felt like I was trying to play a FPS with a joystick circa 1996 with Jedi Knight. When you play freelancer then try Star Citizen with a MKB set up it became obvious who was being catered to and priority given for flight controls. I signed up for a new wing commander/Xwing like game not War Thunder in space that it became. That being said Elite 3.0 beta should be downloaded. Took the doge to the park since it's 60 in Jan.
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trucutru posted:That doesn't matter for that particular law. As long as the amounts earned extend over multiple magnitudes it should work. And their daily tracker goes all the way from 20k to almost 2 million. As a matter of fact, since they have never gotten more than 2 million per day, you should expect the probability of the numbers starting with one to be slightly above 31%. Distribution size does matter. And my hat is made of wool. Regular olde sheep wool. Not really a hat so much as a cap.
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big nipples big life posted:One thing that croberts seems to understand is that WWII is peak air combat but then, because he is an idiot, makes combat just floating turrets. ED is much closer to "WWII in space" than SC is but dogfights are still weak compared to IL2 '46. not sure if he understands that or just thought it looked cool when he first watched star wars.
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monkeytek posted:Yup, as a business owner doors are a surprising expense. Basic hollow core brown door w/frame (the type you see in offices all over the world) set me back $600 plus door hardware and add to that install cost. If you want access control with electrified hardware you are looking at roughly $2000 with install. No way that door was "peanuts." The most hilarious part is it uses garage door mechanicals? seriously? Is there anyone in the world that hasn't remarked on how drat loud garage doors openers are? Unless you want an annoyingly loud experience every time someone enters or exits you would not use it, not even taking into account the property owners would laugh your rear end out of the building if you did attempt to use electricals not rated for office usage. Garage door opener motors are rated for 10% duty cycle or less, they are not rated for opening and closing all day for 8-10 hours. Nothing better than having the motor catch on fire. The crap people will make up to feel better Hey, Look Everyone! A guy that doesn't understand door, building code, OR office development. Everyone knows you put in a garage door first. Then, you OPTIMIZE LATER. That's the key. It starts out as some janky, loud, completely unfit and unsafe garage door. Only once the entire purpose of the office being there is almost complete (about 10-20 years is average for an office that starts from scratch), you come back through and refine the garage door opener piece by piece until it resembles something you might buy off the shelf at your standard office door manufacturer.
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SpaceCurtisLeMay posted:It never felt like wing commander though. It felt like I was trying to play a FPS with a joystick circa 1996 with Jedi Knight. When you play freelancer then try Star Citizen with a MKB set up it became obvious who was being catered to and priority given for flight controls. I signed up for a new wing commander/Xwing like game not War Thunder in space that it became. Yeah, they never quite got it right, and probably never will. One of the early alphas was *close*, but it got continually worse as they continually confused "realism" with "fun", just like they do with every other aspect of the game. I'd be very excited for Elite Beta if it wasn't for the fact FDev decided Elite needed to be MORE grindy.
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Achamp posted:Hey, Look Everyone! A guy that doesn't understand door, building code, OR office development. Damnit you caught me, sorry guys our super secret attempt to undermine SC with Doorgate has failed 
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Sunswipe posted:No, a joke in itself is when a midget eats itself! ~ Ben Lesnick, I'd call him a oval office but he lacks the depth or warmth to give pleasure. That particular chapter of Star Citizen history still stuns and amazed me. It really does. I’m amazed that The Book of Loaf debacle wasn’t at least enough to get him immediately moved out of a front-facing role for the company. At the very least. But I’m further amazed that the very same gaming press that engaged in a full-scale ritual sacrifice of Tim Soret (best game trailer at E3 last year) for his Twitter misdemeanors despite apologies completely ignored (though surely was not ignorant of) the matter. Somehow, Loaf aroused little controversy outside of the Zealot/Hater Wars and what could’ve really lead to a company crippling PR catastrophe remained contained. And the continuing good work of relentless whale fleecing continued. It’s really incredible. You have to at least give Chris credit for stubborn loyalty. If you genuinely worship him and make preservation of his legacy your vocation and advocation, he’ll keep you around despite the risks. Why fire someone with such exquisite taste in game developers? G0RF fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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It's because no one outside of a small subset of gamers gives a poo poo about Star Citizen. For the few that have heard of it it is "that game that raised a lot of money and still isn't out".
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Tarquinn posted:So, a month ago our wahhhlord wanted to sue Montoya, or slap him with a C&D, or something. That has been a safe assumption for decades. Ken White posted:Who is Derek Smart? He's the Orly Taitz of computer gaming. He's a game developer — technically — and a career lawsuit-threatening troll. His team of lawyers is like a fundamentalist preacher's God: they're frequently invoked to terrify, but their existence mostly taken on faith. He's a multi-millionaire, apparently, but then so are Carrot Top and that awful TV woman with the eight cute kids. It's been a long time in American culture since self-made wealth signified someone to be taken seriously. https://www.popehat.com/2015/10/04/in-space-no-one-can-hear-you-threaten-lawsuits/
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big nipples big life posted:It's because no one outside of a small subset of gamers gives a poo poo about Star Citizen. For the few that have heard of it it is "that game that raised a lot of money and still isn't out". Bu..But their plan is to sell as much as World of Warcraft? Are you saying their plan is unfeasible?
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big nipples big life posted:It's because no one outside of a small subset of gamers gives a poo poo about Star Citizen. For the few that have heard of it it is "that game that raised a lot of money and still isn't out". Nah, you can’t claim Star Citizen is a non-story game nobody’s heard about — the prestige outlets like Kotaku US and Polygon gave it lots of coverage over the years, and now that the dev budget has reached GTA5 levels and dwarfs all other crowdfunding gaming projects, it’s earned its “Public Interest” stripes. (Its budget and scope completely dwarfs that of Last Night, an E3 radar blip about which so much less is known and which is now permanently alloyed with controversy.) Star Citizen is both the 800 lb. Gorilla and Elephant in the Room of Crowdfunded gaming. The elephant drops loads of crap out constantly and the gorilla does Winston’s ultimate every so often and flings it everywhere, such as when that particular Loaf dropped. Incidentally, I’m not mourning the fact that it didn’t blow up. Weighed against the greater sins of Chris in particular, it would’ve been yet another sideshow that pulled focus off the much bigger and more problematic stories. But it was social media drybrush and all it would’ve taken was one hot spotlight on it and the fires would’ve been visible from space.
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In the grand scheme of mainstream video games Star Citizen is definitely a non story.
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big nipples big life posted:In the grand scheme of mainstream video games Star Citizen is definitely a non story. Yup. The ~200 avg. Twitch daily viewership bears this out. By comparison, Blizzard's "small game" that is nowhere near as high profile as Overwatch etc etc-Heroes of the Storm (moba) gets about 5000-6000 avg. daily twitch viewers. 'Nuff said. SC Reddit shills and CIG interns: your game is a non factor
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big nipples big life posted:In the grand scheme of mainstream video games Star Citizen is definitely a non story. And yet Polygon alone has written a dozen stories in the last quarter about it. I get that it’s niche, and why we don’t see New York Times / WSJ coverage hardly at all. But gaming news sites cover stories about games and studios of all sizes constantly andtheir economic model remains one driven by clicks and engagement. A story by any major gaming outlet would’ve exploded and launched dozens more elsewhere, and we saw exactly that with Last Night, a game which absolutely nobody had heard and for which there was one cool trailer + some controversial tweets from a few years back and BOOM. I’m glad it didn’t blow up but still amazed it didn’t. And that Ben stayed front and center for some time. ManofManyAliases posted:Does anyone feel like rubbing? G0RF fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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ManofManyAliases posted:Does anyone feel like rubbing? Rubbed. Then felt grief.
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The handful of friends that I know who are into games and scifi to a man had no idea what Star Citizen was. Ask them about Fallout and they will go on about their base they have built from scrap. Only reason I heard about it was from some of the goonrathi stuff.
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ManofManyAliases posted:Does anyone feel like rubbing? Two weeks. (from tomorrow)
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Colostomy Bag posted:Rubbed. Then felt grief. I know what will cheer you up. A jpeg.
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big nipples big life posted:Polygon is also a non factor though. Again, I’m glad it didn’t happen. And my prior point was just amazement that the risks weren’t enough to get Ben sidelined then and there. Those both broke very differently than expected, at least for me, but they definitely were instructive in the process. quote:If the CEO or something had written it different story but not a community manager. G0RF fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Jan 25, 2018 |
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happyhippy posted:I know what will cheer you up. A jpeg started it all you insensitive clod.
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G0RF posted:They’re big enough to have made it a huge story covered by those downstream and up. The Last Night thing is an example of what that looks like, a tiny game turned major controversy in gaming news. I agree it's shocking Ben didn't get his walking papers for that but CIG proves over and over again they lack self awareness.
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big nipples big life posted:I bought Brutal Legend and Spacebase DF-9. DF-9 is what ruined me for kickstarter & early access. Never. Again.
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Foo Diddley posted:You don't have to wait, you're already in the same relative frame. The reason people gently caress up combat in Frontier is because the way their velocity indicator is pointing is relative to Jupiter or whatever and they think they have to get rid of all that velocity in order to move toward the enemy. Hence, jousting fights where they accelerate far too much. Really all you have to do is pay attention to your speed relative to the enemy (ignoring everything on your HUD that indicates your velocity relative to whatever local body), and you can have perfectly reasonable dogfights which involve no jousting at all Why am I not surprised that video is by Isinona? 
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Colostomy Bag posted:A jpeg started it all you insensitive clod. This made my day. big nipples big life posted:In the grand scheme of mainstream video games Star Citizen is definitely a non story. That's what a dead gaye comedy forum would say. More seriously, you're entirely and utterly right. By the time this thing actually breaks we'll probably be worried about the newly uncovered Presidential hooker dump and the complete non-reaction by literally everyone.
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SoftNum posted:DF-9 is what ruined me for kickstarter & early access. We can hate Tim together. With a quiet dignity and by being mean about Fig.
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Thoatse posted:Speaking of Tim, I wonder where Touchdown Tim is these days, the handsome devil He's having Legal trouble.
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ManofManyAliases posted:Does anyone feel like rubbing? Will CIG give me a one-time courtesy refresh after the little death?
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big nipples big life posted:He's having Legal trouble. Ballsy guy
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Hav posted:About that. Around the same time that the Skadden case dropped, I ran the Benford numbers on the funding tracker. Benford numbers are the phenomenon of any series of natural numbers _beginning with_ a particular digit occur within a very specific probability, so they use it to find out if number sequences are bs or not. Wikipedia posted:Benford's law tends to apply most accurately to data that are distributed uniformly across several orders of magnitude. As a rule of thumb, the more orders of magnitude that the data evenly covers, the more accurately Benford's law applies. I don't really think Benford's law applies very well to CIGs funding tracker, at least not the daily income figures. I wouldn't expect the funding tracker data to be uniformly distributed because you'll have weeks and weeks of low, stable income (possibly subscriber fees?), and then they'll do a sale and have really high revenues for a few weeks, then go back to slow and steady income. Also, as far as I recall, CIGs daily funding doesn't really span many orders of magnitude, which also makes Benford's law less applicable. What makes the funding not kosher is that Star Citizen is a bad game that will never be fun and will never fulfil all its promises.
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