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forest spirit
Apr 6, 2009

Frigate Hetman Sahaidachny
First to Fight Scuttle, First to Fall Sink


Thinking about it they didn't even get rid of the starter edition, and jacked up the normal game to 60$, so this is some predatory poo poo with how bad the grind is in the starter edition. They also increased the starter edition price on top of that

So this is ridiculous, I feel bad for congratulating Ubisoft on how they handled Siege's monetization and pricing structure (excluding the starter edition) before, because this is some boneheaded stuff

They're so lucky the game part of siege is good. I can't of imagined a better way to hobble the game as it's gaining popularity like wildfire than to act like greedy baguette wielding shitheads by leaning HARD into the starter edition, not removing it, raising it's price, and not doing what everyone was asking for and discount the year one operators.

You wouldn't even have to discount them all at once! Just go season by season, and discount two every three months.

I can't get over how stupid and mean-spirited these changes are

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Legs Benedict
Jul 14, 2002

You can either follow me to our bedroom or bend over that control throne because I haven't been this turned on in FOREVER!

Penpal posted:


And the new zombie mode is only two player? Duuuuumb

3 players

Kikas
Oct 30, 2012

ten_twentyfour posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Rainbow6/comments/7snvfu/boosting_in_game_fps_and_loading_time_fixing_fps/

Lol wtf Ubi. Good to know all those tryhards' anime child porn avatars are being saved to my computer. In 3 different resolutions even, in case I want a really high quality anime.


poo poo


No ubisoft wHY. Why are you doing this to us, this is the exact thing that kills a game, a loving TIMED game mode? This reeks of amateur design and doesn't make me wanna play it at all. Plus the Outbreak mode will probably aslo influence the new Chimera ops and their gadgets and the loving price changes are stupid as hell too nooooooooooooo

forest spirit
Apr 6, 2009

Frigate Hetman Sahaidachny
First to Fight Scuttle, First to Fall Sink



Still not 5, still disappointing

Legs Benedict
Jul 14, 2002

You can either follow me to our bedroom or bend over that control throne because I haven't been this turned on in FOREVER!

Penpal posted:

Still not 5, still disappointing

yeah i guess if you regularly play with 4 other people this would be super disappointing

i only ever play with 2 of my friends so my reference point is different

Kikas
Oct 30, 2012
Pfft what you can't even get the Outbreak packs during normal gameplay but have to buy them for as much as an Operator costs in R6 credits? Whoa.

Legs Benedict
Jul 14, 2002

You can either follow me to our bedroom or bend over that control throne because I haven't been this turned on in FOREVER!

Ubisoft posted:

That being said, a few other Outbreak rewards will be available through game play, and will be awarded based on other criteria to be disclosed at a later date.

guess it depends on what "a few" means what those rewards are

The Duggler
Feb 20, 2011

I do not hear you, I do not see you, I will not let you get into the Duggler's head with your bring-downs.

Legs Benedict posted:

guess it depends on what "a few" means what those rewards are

Seeing as they describe the time to unlock operators with the starter edition as "Extended" instead of "Just buy the regular game" I wouldn't expect too much

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Hahahahahahahaha

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

:perfect:

CascadeBeta
Feb 14, 2009

by Cyrano4747
So if my math is right, if you want everything from the packs, you'd have to spend over $150 dollars.

gently caress that. Just when I get into this game they pull this poo poo.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


"Players aren't buying enough Alpha Packs. Make them purchase-only and tie them exclusively to all our unique cosmetics."

Ubisoft's shareholders are gonna be popping corks tonight boys

Sultan Tarquin
Jul 29, 2007

and what kind of world would it be? HUH?!
"how can we make our game appealing during this wave of backlash against loot boxes?"

ubisoft: hold my syrup.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


I can't get over the fact that an Outbreak pack guarantees you a non-duplicate cosmetic, and you HAVE to buy it with real money, but you CAN'T just buy whatever cosmetic you want. It's literally designed to force you to buy more packs than cosmetics you want because you can't control which ones you get. It's like if you went to a grocery store and had to play a slot machine and hope you got a milk carton out of it.

quote:

All players that log in during the Outbreak Event will receive four Outbreak Packs immediately. For those of you who are new to the game and purchase the Advanced Edition before or during the Outbreak Event, you will receive the 10 packs that are included in the Advanced Edition, plus the four for logging in during the event. If you purchase the Advanced Edition after the event is over, you will still receive the 10 Outbreak Packs.

New players who give us lots of money: Here's ten free Outbreak Packs!

Old players who have been with us since launch: Go gently caress yourself.

Thief
Jan 28, 2011

:420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420:
the pricing is literally predatory at this point but at least loot crates only suck if they involve non-cosmetic advantages

pay 2 grief items own and the operators they listed are all fun as heck so lol when you see that Tachanka running at you like the suicide bombers in t-hunt 5 months from now except he has a Saiga and you have to at some point look at him on the MVP screen ever at all.

so many kids borrowing their mom's credit card for this are gonna force themselves to main operators they don't even like because they got a stupid skin

lol when this becomes an annual thing turning siege into Ubi's main cash cow for the next decade

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


But Alpha Packs look so cool and they're so viscerally fun to tear the top off! It's literally free cosmetics, how could you complain about that? This will never come back to bite us, ever.

Thief posted:

so many kids borrowing their mom's credit card for this are gonna force themselves to main operators they don't even like because they got a stupid skin

This was already the case with the weekly challenges.

Thief posted:

lol when this becomes an annual thing turning siege into Ubi's main cash cow for the next decade

Siege has already been Ubi's main cash cow you blind fool

forest spirit
Apr 6, 2009

Frigate Hetman Sahaidachny
First to Fight Scuttle, First to Fall Sink


loving videogames in 2018 man, bless the loving stars for indie developers making shimmering, non-ironic, untainted, good games, like Stardew Valley.

And Nintendo.

Of course Ubisoft doubled down on the starter edition. Of course

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Do you think Hard abandoned us because he, too, lives in fear of what he created?

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!
Lootboxes suck rear end but...it's just cosmetics, who gives a poo poo.

Kikas
Oct 30, 2012

Jack Trades posted:

Lootboxes suck rear end but...it's just cosmetics, who gives a poo poo.

Given how much of this game is peek combat, relying on intel and spotting people... everyone? This is not a game like Rocket League where everyone has a bright neon over their head so you know where they are at all time. This is a violent game of hide and seek and visibility and being able to identify what's and enemy and what's map-junk is a huge gameplay mechanic. You gently caress with that, you are loving with the gameplay.
How many people threw themselves on the black uniforms when they came out, cause they gave you a bit of an advantage on characters like Frost or IQ? Cause I am seeing a lot more black uniforms then before.

My point is - in Siege, visibility = gameplay, so the cosmetics gently caress with gameplay just a little bit.

SpazmasterX
Jul 13, 2006

Wrong about everything XIV related
~fartz~

Jack Trades posted:

Lootboxes suck rear end but...it's just cosmetics, who gives a poo poo.

Especially in a game like this where no one is going to stop and appreciate your aesthetics before they shoot you in the face. Just roll your boxes and equip your highest rarity doodads unless they suck.

keyframe
Sep 15, 2007

I have seen things
Only cosmetics you need in siege is the black uniforms and the black universal weapon skins. Anything else basically helps the enemy shoot you in face easier.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Kikas posted:

How many people threw themselves on the black uniforms when they came out, cause they gave you a bit of an advantage on characters like Frost or IQ? Cause I am seeing a lot more black uniforms then before.

My point is - in Siege, visibility = gameplay, so the cosmetics gently caress with gameplay just a little bit.

They were the first actually good-looking camouflage option in a game that is starving for self-serious tacticool loadouts a la Wildlands. That's why I bought them. The black is good cover but more importantly they weren't a loving clown suit.

The Duggler
Feb 20, 2011

I do not hear you, I do not see you, I will not let you get into the Duggler's head with your bring-downs.

God drat I would love a full on clown suit elite skin

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


The Duggler posted:

God drat I would love a full on clown suit elite skin

Boy will you be excited for this new Outbreak thing

Legs Benedict
Jul 14, 2002

You can either follow me to our bedroom or bend over that control throne because I haven't been this turned on in FOREVER!

Cup Runneth Over posted:

Boy will you be excited for this new Outbreak thing

is it a clown outbreak

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Leaked post-Outbreak end of match screen:

FlyingCowOfDoom
Aug 1, 2003

let the beat drop

Cup Runneth Over posted:

Leaked post-Outbreak end of match screen:



I was thinking something like this

ZeusCannon
Nov 5, 2009

BLAAAAAARGH PLEASE KILL ME BLAAAAAAAARGH
Grimey Drawer
Oh man this is gonna be great

Thief
Jan 28, 2011

:420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420::420:
it should force the Metro2023 gasmask effect on your screen if you use it

there are tons of great camo options in this game now from cartoon to tacticool

but a funny thing about blood orchid was that the color black is ironically the last color you'd seriously want in camouflage and militaries across the world invest millions of irl renown trying to eliminate it

Cup Runneth Over posted:

Siege has already been Ubi's main cash cow you blind fool

i always assumed Assassins Creed was their flagship franchise but okay, this is def the one i play the most

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Thief posted:

i always assumed Assassins Creed was their flagship franchise but okay, this is def the one i play the most

Nope. Being the best-known doesn't mean it generates them the most money. Ubisoft makes more from microtransactions than game sales now and Siege has the most microtransaction $$$$$. It's the cash cow.

Tumble
Jun 24, 2003
I'm not thinking of anything!

Thief posted:

it should force the Metro2023 gasmask effect on your screen if you use it

there are tons of great camo options in this game now from cartoon to tacticool

but a funny thing about blood orchid was that the color black is ironically the last color you'd seriously want in camouflage and militaries across the world invest millions of irl renown trying to eliminate it



Yea well Frost and Buck have bright white winter gear on and there is like 1 map where it's fitting so it's still better.

What I think is funny is the invisible stuff the game has. They're oddly stingy with that technology in the Clancyverse. You can have drones and needle things that can be invisible but that's it.

Tumble fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jan 25, 2018

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

Kikas posted:

Given how much of this game is peek combat, relying on intel and spotting people... everyone? This is not a game like Rocket League where everyone has a bright neon over their head so you know where they are at all time. This is a violent game of hide and seek and visibility and being able to identify what's and enemy and what's map-junk is a huge gameplay mechanic. You gently caress with that, you are loving with the gameplay.
How many people threw themselves on the black uniforms when they came out, cause they gave you a bit of an advantage on characters like Frost or IQ? Cause I am seeing a lot more black uniforms then before.

My point is - in Siege, visibility = gameplay, so the cosmetics gently caress with gameplay just a little bit.

That's horseshit.
You never have enough time to discern color or texture on the opponent and it's extremely rarely that a skin happens to blend into the environment, considering that there are so many different environments in the game.
You just see something vaguely human-torso-shaped and shoot it.
Unless they run right into my face, I never see what skin they have until after they're dead or I'm dead.

Or are you gonna tell me that you micromanage your op skins and matchmaking preferences to only enter the maps with perfect camo selected?

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
The all-black skins blend in far better than any of the other ones, particularly in areas with poor lighting. Which is why they command a premium.

Similarly people buy the twitch elite skin not for how it looks for the player model but because it changes the drone color to something that blends in with a lot more flooring than the original one.

forest spirit
Apr 6, 2009

Frigate Hetman Sahaidachny
First to Fight Scuttle, First to Fall Sink


Jack Trades posted:

Lootboxes suck rear end but...it's just cosmetics, who gives a poo poo.

They're not removing the insulting starter edition but increasing it's price which is disgusting tbh

especially because now it will look super juicy next to the 60$ normal base game now

And also the cosmetics don't really affect me but the fact that this (needlessly) timed event was planned around making $$$ from crates and not, uh, making a good game, is dumb

SpazmasterX
Jul 13, 2006

Wrong about everything XIV related
~fartz~

Party Plane Jones posted:

The all-black skins blend in far better than any of the other ones, particularly in areas with poor lighting. Which is why they command a premium.

Similarly people buy the twitch elite skin not for how it looks for the player model but because it changes the drone color to something that blends in with a lot more flooring than the original one.

But is that worth having to see Twitch's face so much

Tumble
Jun 24, 2003
I'm not thinking of anything!
I would pay so much money to have classic Rainbow 6 skins where everybody is dressed the same and wears a black balaclava.

Raioner
Mar 28, 2006


Tumble posted:

I would pay so much money to have classic Rainbow 6 skins where everybody is dressed the same and wears a black balaclava.

Play recruit?

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Party Plane Jones posted:

Similarly people buy the twitch elite skin not for how it looks for the player model but because it changes the drone color to something that blends in with a lot more flooring than the original one.

Again, I bought it because it looked cool and I liked that it unmasked Twitch

The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Dead weight, just like this post.



I like how they stressing super hard that it's cosmetic items only in the packs and that if you buy 50 you're guaranteed the whole collections :D


Like gently caress off man, none of these companies want to be the next EA but none of them can turn down how much money these things generate so they do them anyway. Notice how carefully they point out that all the stuff in these packs are cosmetic only just in case any Battlefront fans are reading about updates for Rainbow Six and decide that the word lootboxes will trigger them and get Ubisoft in trouble.

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ZeusCannon
Nov 5, 2009

BLAAAAAARGH PLEASE KILL ME BLAAAAAAAARGH
Grimey Drawer
Microtransactions are a cancer

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