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Anarchist Mae
Nov 5, 2009

by Reene
Lipstick Apathy

Dick Trauma posted:

I'm not an audiophile but as I played with the settings I recognized that watery, swishy sound of over-compressed music, but my Mac was so wimpy that bumping the encoding rate to 256 took too drat long! :corsair:

https://i.imgur.com/wqbpj3v.mp4

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KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


:awesome:

Volcott posted:

I can't tell the difference between 320kbps mp3 and flac.

Hardly anyone can, and usually only for specific problem samples, such as harpsichord or castanets. Or if you're extremely sensitive to pre-echo, as some people are.

Measly Twerp posted:

The live example page is worth checking out.

Oh cool, I'd forgotten about that. It's a good way to show people just how good it is.

Dick Trauma posted:

It's kind of a bummer that sound quality has gone out the window, sort of like if every digital image was covered in compression artifacts.

That has more to do with bad mastering than it has to do with audio formats.

I sometimes hear swishy artifacts too, even in music where I've downloaded the FLAC from Bandcamp (who will even go so far as to identify lossy formats repackaged as FLAC and ask for a proper lossless upload instead), so either the mastering is just lovely, or some of the samples used originate from old MP3s or something.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

It's important to remember that when the mp3 format was introduced, your average home computer had a tiny fraction of the processing power of today. Compression of data isn't just a tradeoff between quality and file size, but also cpu use. Today's high quality codecs would not be able to decode in real time on a 25 year old Pentium.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Collateral Damage posted:

It's important to remember that when the mp3 format was introduced, your average home computer had a tiny fraction of the processing power of today. Compression of data isn't just a tradeoff between quality and file size, but also cpu use. Today's high quality codecs would not be able to decode in real time on a 25 year old Pentium.

"man, Hotel California is gonna sound awesome an hour from now when it finishes buffering!"

fappenmeister
Nov 19, 2004

My hand wields the might



I've been meaning to get that album, but I'm not sold on some of the newer doom bands playing that style. That's a super fast conversion though!

Are reviews for albums obsolete now you have access to Youtube and Spotify immediately?:pipe:

fappenmeister has a new favorite as of 20:47 on Jan 24, 2018

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Collateral Damage posted:

It's important to remember that when the mp3 format was introduced, your average home computer had a tiny fraction of the processing power of today. Compression of data isn't just a tradeoff between quality and file size, but also cpu use. Today's high quality codecs would not be able to decode in real time on a 25 year old Pentium.

The Opus decoder runs on some pretty low-powered hardware, it's partially designed for telephony after all.

The decoder requires more CPU for real time encoding, obviously.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Collateral Damage posted:

It's important to remember that when the mp3 format was introduced, your average home computer had a tiny fraction of the processing power of today. Compression of data isn't just a tradeoff between quality and file size, but also cpu use. Today's high quality codecs would not be able to decode in real time on a 25 year old Pentium.

I was so disappointed when my first netbook couldn't play MP3's and run a web browser without hiccups. And that was a 1.3ghz processor.

So there have been new computers in the last 15 years that couldn't handle it. My 2011 Mac Mini with an i5 was shipped with so little stock RAM that it had issues playing MP3's smoothly

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013

Krispy Wafer posted:

I was so disappointed when my first netbook couldn't play MP3's and run a web browser without hiccups. And that was a 1.3ghz processor.

So there have been new computers in the last 15 years that couldn't handle it. My 2011 Mac Mini with an i5 was shipped with so little stock RAM that it had issues playing MP3's smoothly

For thread topic: consumer grade Mac desktops because lol paying $1000 for an eMachine.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

My 2013 27" iMac plays PubG fine and would probably still sell for $1000 today if I wanted to sell it.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Krispy Wafer posted:

I was so disappointed when my first netbook couldn't play MP3's and run a web browser without hiccups. And that was a 1.3ghz processor.

So there have been new computers in the last 15 years that couldn't handle it. My 2011 Mac Mini with an i5 was shipped with so little stock RAM that it had issues playing MP3's smoothly

That's more an issue with iTunes/WMP/browsers being stupidly over-bloated.

I was playing MP3s just fine on a 100MHz Pentium with 16MB RAM back in the day, in Winamp 2.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

ladron posted:

I remember people going nuts over the video for peter gabriel's "sledgehammer" and how groundbreaking it was

Why did Will Arnette make that video for Huey Lewis??

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ
I remember being able to play Hornet 3.0 and listen to midis in Winamp at the same time on a 300 MHz Pentium II, but listening to mp3 was too much.

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

Krispy Wafer posted:

I was so disappointed when my first netbook couldn't play MP3's and run a web browser without hiccups. And that was a 1.3ghz processor.

So there have been new computers in the last 15 years that couldn't handle it. My 2011 Mac Mini with an i5 was shipped with so little stock RAM that it had issues playing MP3's smoothly

And my $130 2Gb Lenovo Android tablet does it flawlessly, as well as streaming tunage on not so hot WiFi at work while reencoding to send to Bluetooth earbuds.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Samizdata posted:

And my $130 2Gb Lenovo Android tablet does it flawlessly, as well as streaming tunage on not so hot WiFi at work while reencoding to send to Bluetooth earbuds.

Probably because while your tablet is also 1.3 GHz, it's a quad-core.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


GotLag posted:

I remember being able to play Hornet 3.0 and listen to midis in Winamp at the same time on a 300 MHz Pentium II, but listening to mp3 was too much.

I used to try listening to Fear Factory and play GTA on my old Pentium 75. That was a big NOPE.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


GotLag posted:

Probably because while your tablet is also 1.3 GHz, it's a quad-core.

Wouldn't it have dedicated hardware for codecs too?

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

GotLag posted:

Probably because while your tablet is also 1.3 GHz, it's a quad-core.

Yeah, but less memory, a slower bus, and a power limited processor.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

Wouldn't it have dedicated hardware for codecs too?

Don't think so.

Howard Beale
Feb 22, 2001

It's like this, Peanut

Humphreys posted:

I used to try listening to Fear Factory and play GTA on my old Pentium 75. That was a big NOPE.

I made mix tapes for the car off my all-in-one Presario. The tapes are long gone but to this day certain songs sound weird since they don't have that hiccup after like the first chorus because I forgot to disable AfterDark and it tried to kick in.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Last Chance posted:

My 2013 27" iMac plays PubG fine and would probably still sell for $1000 today if I wanted to sell it.

Weird since nothing else plays PubG fine :thunk:

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
Copy-pasting this from the aviation thread. Lots of old engines.

Slo-Tek posted:

I dunno if I am late to the party on this, but there is a TON of weird experimental stuff here I had never seen or heard of, with well written medium-sized articles with pictures on them.

https://oldmachinepress.com/

I hesitate to even point out favorites, because everything I've clicked was good.

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

From the YOSPOS bitcoin thread:

eschaton posted:

some friends worked on a commodities trading platform atop the Mac II back in 1988-89

it was built on the Mac II because you could put six video cards in it to drive six 1152x864, 21in monitors in a 3x2 layout, to get a 3456x1728 desktop

and fill it with text in 9pt Geneva with tiny arrows next to each bit

they had to use serial for connectivity because they just had to use all the slots for monitors

it wouldn’t surprise me if they tried to use those NuBus expansion chassis to get even more slots for more video cards for more big screens full of tiny text

:eyepop:

As an "IBM compatible" user, I remember seeing a Mac II-ish type machine in the early '90s with one of those monochrome monitors that you could rotate to switch between landscape and portrait and I thought that was amazing. I don't think I could have conceived of 6 monitors attached to a single PC until this century.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


That must have cost an absolute fortune, not to mention the heat produced by 6 CRT monitors.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Buttcoin purse posted:

As an "IBM compatible" user, I remember seeing a Mac II-ish type machine in the early '90s with one of those monochrome monitors that you could rotate to switch between landscape and portrait and I thought that was amazing.

Most people I've worked with in the past five or so years have been amazed when I showed them they could do that with modern LCD VDUs. (At least all the ones we have here at work.) However, the ERP system we use understands gently caress-all about scaling so the feature is not much use.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Obsolete: using the term "VDU" when referring to computer monitors. I thought that died out in the 90s.

Semi-related, I currently have a 24" 1920x1200 monitor flanked by two 20" 1600x1200 monitors on my desk at work, all driven from my laptop in a docking station. If you had told me 15 years ago that I would be doing completely ordinary everyday work on a setup like that, I would have called you some kind of crazy sci-fi pie-in-the-sky weirdo.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Buttcoin purse posted:

From the YOSPOS bitcoin thread:


:eyepop:

As an "IBM compatible" user, I remember seeing a Mac II-ish type machine in the early '90s with one of those monochrome monitors that you could rotate to switch between landscape and portrait and I thought that was amazing. I don't think I could have conceived of 6 monitors attached to a single PC until this century.

Yeah, Macs were high end machines back in the 80's and early 90's. They never really made it in the home user market because they were so expensive. You could do a lot with them but the home user market stunted them for a lot of things. I get the feeling they only survived because businesses liked them back then because you really didn't need a lot of training to use one compared to a DOS or UNIX shell.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

KozmoNaut posted:

Obsolete: using the term "VDU" when referring to computer monitors. I thought that died out in the 90s.

But I didn't :kheldragar:

Quote-Unquote
Oct 22, 2002



The_Franz posted:

They did, but they never ripped on them like in the old days. I distinctly remember people saying at the time that they couldn't really make fun of music videos anymore because, unlike back in the 90s, *everything* had to go through legal and be cleared with the rights holders and nobody was going to voluntarily let them publicly mock their work.

Which is a drat shame, because I've seen interviews with artists that Beavis & Butthead ripped the piss out of and they were proud. Like, appearing on B&B was a badge of honour even if they made fun of your music. The reboot was really good, if rather mean spirited with some of the reality TV bits. There's a bit where they're watching 16 & Pregnant, and Beavis comments "this chick is horrible actress." Butthead points out that they're watching reality TV, so Beavis says "okay so she's not a horrible actress, she's just a horrible person."

empty baggie
Oct 22, 2003

Iron Crowned posted:

Yeah, Macs were high end machines back in the 80's and early 90's. They never really made it in the home user market because they were so expensive. You could do a lot with them but the home user market stunted them for a lot of things. I get the feeling they only survived because businesses liked them back then because you really didn't need a lot of training to use one compared to a DOS or UNIX shell.

The education market was definitely one of the things keeping Apple going throughout the 90's. For example, all of the liberal arts colleges around here used macs exclusively in their photography/graphic design and teacher education departments.

A/V production was also a big deal to Apple back then, too. Sadly, Apple appears to have lost a lot of that market in recent years.

empty baggie has a new favorite as of 02:29 on Jan 26, 2018

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


KozmoNaut posted:

Obsolete: using the term "VDU" when referring to computer monitors. I thought that died out in the 90s.

Semi-related, I currently have a 24" 1920x1200 monitor flanked by two 20" 1600x1200 monitors on my desk at work, all driven from my laptop in a docking station. If you had told me 15 years ago that I would be doing completely ordinary everyday work on a setup like that, I would have called you some kind of crazy sci-fi pie-in-the-sky weirdo.

I used to have a dual setup and thought that was kicking rad, then I got the bug and ended up with 6 screens and lived the sci-fi life.

Now I have a 55in 4K and it's marvelous! No hidden windows!

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!
My father used to tell me he could remember the first time he tried ice-cream. I, on the other hand, remember the first time I heard an MP3. My friend downloaded Hungry Like the Wolf by Duran Duran in the late 90s.

I think the first home "console" game I ever played was a dedicated Star Chess machine that my uncle had.

Lizard Combatant
Sep 29, 2010

I have some notes.
Hi thread, hoping someone here has a solution to my problem.

I'm using an old amplifier that I'd like to be able to use with a remote, the problem is the IR receiver is in the tuner which passes the remote commands to the amp via a cable. Unfortunately, I no longer have the tuner.

Is it possible to just have an IR receiver plugged into the remote control port (and if so, where would I get this) or is the tuner what's actually telling the amp what to do?

Doctor Bishop
Oct 22, 2013

To understand what happened at the diner, we use Mr. Papaya. This is upsetting because he is the friendliest of fruits.
So before there was VCD, there was CD-V.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u2j1Q8uCgQ

Besides what good ol' Techmoan has to say on the subject, I think there's a funny comparison to be made here between CD Video and 7-Up Gold (which came out around the same time, in 1988), in that they were both presented as follow-ups to popular products, but were really rebranded updates to other products, and as a result, fundamentally deviated from the essential qualities of their namesakes. I.e., CD-V was a rebranded upgrade of Laserdisc that (partially) did away with the compact size of Compact Disc, and 7-Up Gold was a rebranded reformulation of Dr. Pepper that did away with the "crisp, clean, with no caffeine" image of 7-Up.

Oh ya, and lest we forget, they both had an affinity for GOOOOOOOLD.

e: fact-checking

Doctor Bishop has a new favorite as of 10:41 on Feb 2, 2018

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002

Der Kyhe posted:

Living here I found out that ordering a new metal-bodied Maglite 4D cost me total of 40 EUR ordering it from the Amazon.de. The same flashlight is sold at our retail chains for ~100e.

With the "modernization kit" (LED-bulb and battery+charging station backplate+cradle), in retail for ~200e. In Amazon, the bulb is 20e and the battery set 40e. With package charge of ~10e, no customs or other because ordering from one EU country to another.

I can understand the retail thinking of "available right now right here" for most of the stuff like home improvement supplies but still, 200% markup. Do you really want to kill your retail chain?
Reviving this flashlight chat, because it's interesting.

Back 20 years ago when I was a boyscout, the hot stuff to have was a Maglite, naturally powered by alkaline batteries and with a small incandescent light bulb. Weak and yellow-ish color, pathetic compared to what we have today. I just had the small one with 2 AA batteries, but always window-shopped the huge 4D one.

I recently started researching buying a decent flash light again (just for around the house and garden), and of course it's all LED these days, and all Made in China. What's more interesting is that 99% of flashlights claim to have a Cree LED, and are either powered by regular alkaline batteries, a rechargable LiPo battery, or hybrids that can accept either. There is so little variation.

From what I read, the cheap "ultra bright 10000 Lumen Cree LED" flashlights on China are bullshit; the Cree LEDs mostly only go up to around 1000 Lumen per LED. Also, it makes no sense that supposedly cheap flashlights around the world use genuine LEDs from American manufacturer Cree - it must be 99% unauthorized copies.

Which suppliers sell genuine, good quality (housing and electronics) flashlights with Cree LED's, anyone? It's hard to tell junk from gold, since of course even a pretty cheap China flashlight works okay, particularly for the price. I've found the SureFire brand, but they are over £200 for a tiny one smaller than a hand - that is way more than I want to spend.

Here's some reading:

http://forums.mtbr.com/lights-night-riding/chinese-clone-leds-cree-vs-latticebright-1000703.html
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/41084
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/please-explain-confusing-lumenscree-variants-on-cheap-chinese-lights-to-me/

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:
Any recognized brand uses good LEDs, not necessarily Cree. I like Nitecore, Fenix, Led Lenser (too expensive for what they are), with nitecore having the best firmware on the market IMO.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

these loss edits are really esoteric sometimes

AMISH FRIED PIES
Mar 6, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

i like the vague implication that the miscarried in question is the Virtual Boy

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

Doctor Bishop posted:

So before there was VCD, there was CD-V.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u2j1Q8uCgQ

Besides what good ol' Techmoan has to say on the subject, I think there's a funny comparison to be made here between CD Video and 7-Up Gold (which came out around the same time, in 1988), in that they were both presented as follow-ups to popular products, but were really rebranded updates to other products, and as a result, fundamentally deviated from the essential qualities of their namesakes. I.e., CD-V was a rebranded upgrade of Laserdisc that (partially) did away with the compact size of Compact Disc, and 7-Up Gold was a rebranded reformulation of Dr. Pepper that did away with the "crisp, clean, with no caffeine" image of 7-Up.

Oh ya, and lest we forget, they both had an affinity for GOOOOOOOLD.

e: fact-checking

Ha! Just watched that a few minutes ago because of falling down a Goon-inspired YouTube rabbit hole.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Pilsner posted:

Which suppliers sell genuine, good quality (housing and electronics) flashlights with Cree LED's, anyone? It's hard to tell junk from gold, since of course even a pretty cheap China flashlight works okay, particularly for the price. I've found the SureFire brand, but they are over £200 for

I've had a Fenix E05 (single AAA) on my keychain for a year now. Really really nice flashlight, and super bright on the highest setting.

Lasts quite a while on a good NiMH cell, too.

For something cheaper, I have a couple of Hugsby lights, specifically an XP-12 and an XP-11 (2xAA and 1xAA respectively). They're inexpensive, well made and very bright.

Lots of lovely knockoffs on eBay, though.

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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I got the cheapest 18650 based "cree" light off eBay and although I'm sure it doesn't have the crazy lumens they claim, its bright as gently caress anyway, lasts a long time and is very solidly made so I can't really complain.

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