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Waffleman_ posted:Kennedy Cartoons what are you doing It was founded by Glenn Kennedy, who was animation director on A Pup Named Scooby Doo
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Larryb posted:Aren't creepy furries basically what killed Tiny Toons to begin with? I heard a story a while back about Tress MacNeille who played Babs getting stalked by some guy and eventually quitting the show. I think they had a whole sketch mocking creepy fans in Animaniacs. (The Please Please Please Get A Life Association) Looney Tunes spent a long time not really knowing what to do with female characters, it seems like. Until The Looney Tunes Show anyway. (and new-Lola just struck me as a crazier Amy Rose anyway. Before they made Amy saner) I forget if they did much with Daffy's girlfriend who sees him as a fixer-upper.
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Jan 26, 2018 06:19
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Inescapable Duck posted:I think they had a whole sketch mocking creepy fans in Animaniacs. (The Please Please Please Get A Life Association) I kind of appreciate rhat they gave Babs a range of personality choices, so she wouldn't be pigeonholed as the typical Girlfriend. Gives her a really fun kind of agency. Too bad about the mouthbreather that ruined it.
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Jan 26, 2018 06:55
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Inescapable Duck posted:I think they had a whole sketch mocking creepy fans in Animaniacs. (The Please Please Please Get A Life Association) From what I remember she did appear a fair amount, mostly to act as a straight (wo)man to Daffy and/or Lola, but she was still fairly funny in her own right Honestly the weirdest thing about The Looney Tunes Show was how certain characters got used, like Elmer Fudd despite being one of the most iconic LT characters barely ever showed up in the show(indeed outside of the Grilled Cheese music video I don't think he ever really showed up outside of the occasional background cameo), and it certainly wasn't because of an aversion to guns, that show used guns a surprisingly heavy amount for a kid's cartoon
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Jan 26, 2018 08:52
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I don't know where else to post this because I looked into ADTRW and nothing made sense. I watched Little Witch Academia on Netflix and I feel it's like Gurren Lagann for girls. (-fanservice and +adorable hats) It was cute and fun and happy. Also, if you don't know what Gurren Lagann is you should watch that too because it will make you feel good about yourself.
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Jan 26, 2018 09:01
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FilthyImp posted:Both points are true! it didn't make her quit the show, it made her cancel convention appearances in the area the guy lived in she was on the show right until the end and worked on most of the same shows the crew did afterward
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Jan 26, 2018 09:03
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drrockso20 posted:From what I remember she did appear a fair amount, mostly to act as a straight (wo)man to Daffy and/or Lola, but she was still fairly funny in her own right Probably because either they'd have to totally rework his role or given the formula he'd basically be an attempted serial killer. They did turn Yosemite Sam into Ned Flanders, hilariously.
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Jan 26, 2018 10:09
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Waffleman_ posted:Kennedy Cartoons what are you doing What they've always done: be terrible. The guy behind it must have given some extremely generous contracts. drrockso20 posted:They are supposed to be teenagers, also Babs did a surprising amount of fanservice gags in that show looking back You think that was bad? this still blows my mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnHNPMMvCCY Mr Interweb fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Jan 26, 2018 |
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Jan 26, 2018 12:28
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drrockso20 posted:From what I remember she did appear a fair amount, mostly to act as a straight (wo)man to Daffy and/or Lola, but she was still fairly funny in her own right I like the idea of Gossamer as a big child, but I'm still baffled why they renamed Witch Hazel (Witch Lezah) and gave her a stereotypical black mama voice.
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Jan 26, 2018 13:09
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I can't think of any legitimately black-sounding Looney Toons. Just adds a little spice to the sitcom mix. Also, maybe Hazel is her twin sister, cursed with a speech impediment that makes her sound like a little old lady.
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Jan 26, 2018 13:21
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I'm also very glad for the return of Speedy Gonzales without all the baggage.
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Beachcomber posted:I can't think of any legitimately black-sounding Looney Toons. Just adds a little spice to the sitcom mix. Also, maybe Hazel is her twin sister, cursed with a speech impediment that makes her sound like a little old lady. I can, but that's the really, really racist one who's basically black Elmer Fudd. Waffleman_ posted:I'm also very glad for the return of Speedy Gonzales without all the baggage. Probably mentioned, but I'm told Speedy Gonzales has always been super popular in Mexico.
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Jan 26, 2018 17:09
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Mr Interweb posted:What they've always done: be terrible. The guy behind it must have given some extremely generous contracts. Notably the shows Kennedy worked on after Tiny Toons were a lot more on-model (like Goof Troop and Aladdin)
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Jan 26, 2018 17:48
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I think Mary Melody was the black Tiny Toon, but I can't really tell you a thing about her and I don't think she appeared much except as a background face.
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Jan 26, 2018 18:42
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Mr Interweb posted:You think that was bad? this still blows my mind: There were so many things about Tiny Toons I was too young to understand, and now that I am old enough, I don't want to. I guess all the sexy stuff fits in with what media targeted at teenagers was doing at the time, but in between all the high school formatted junk, they always referred to the characters as kids, and they certainly don't look teenage, which really mixes things up there. Inescapable Duck posted:Looney Tunes spent a long time not really knowing what to do with female characters, it seems like. Until The Looney Tunes Show anyway. (and new-Lola just struck me as a crazier Amy Rose anyway. Before they made Amy saner) I forget if they did much with Daffy's girlfriend who sees him as a fixer-upper. Before Space Jam, their female characters consisted of Hazel the witch, Granny, and that one cat that Pepe le Pew was always pursuing. The Looney Tune show was a bit weird, but it put in a good effort to round out the cast at least. It gave characterization to Lola and invented Daffy's girlfriend. It's weird to slot new characters into the cast of of well-known characters, but it's also weird to assemble a rigid, firmly established cast of characters out of a series of otherwise unrelated shorts from the 30s-70s, so it all evens out. Rand Brittain posted:I think Mary Melody was the black Tiny Toon, but I can't really tell you a thing about her and I don't think she appeared much except as a background face. So far as I remember, the biggest thing she ever did was act as furball's owner. I didn't even know she had a name until recently. Honey and Bosko in some of the first Looney Tunes back in the 1930s were loosely based off of black people in the sort of minstrel tradition. Later Looney Tunes did not reference them at all until Tiny Toons reinterpreted them as dog people. So technically old cartoons were more representative than most people would otherwise expect, but since standards have changed and it seems racist now, you get this erasure effect.
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Jan 26, 2018 19:47
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SlothfulCobra posted:So technically old cartoons were more representative than most people would otherwise expect, but since standards have changed and it seems racist now, you get this erasure effect. Seems racist?! Early Looney Tunes were racist as poo poo, it's not really a matter of interpretation.
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Jan 26, 2018 19:52
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The dogpeople thing is pretty much what happened with Betty Boop, only in reverse I think?Mr Interweb posted:You think that was bad? this still blows my mind: But oh god Fuddonna is just...  raditts posted:Seems racist?! It's a marvel we don't have some kind of Irish gerbil with 700 children in the cast of characters.
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Jan 26, 2018 21:33
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I'm not saying it wasn't racist, it's just an interesting choice between non-representation and negative representation. Although for the most part, in the Looney Tunes shorts you wouldn't even really know the difference between Bosko and Honey and the nebulous similarly-colored animal people of Betty Boop or Disney shorts of that era if you didn't know about the minstrel shows they bare a resemblance to. (It's very possible that those other cartoons were harkening to minstrel shows as well, I don't really know anything about them other than that they were supposedly very prominent in the public consciousness before they were stopped and buried) Of course, in the Looney Tunes they featured in, they barely talked. When Bosko did talk at length, it was decidedly less comfortable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xVUCRG1x9Y That's animation history there.
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Jan 27, 2018 00:53
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Corek posted:Tiny Toons is possibly the canonical example of animation being traceable to individual studios. You think that's bad, just look at early Simpsons: 
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Jan 27, 2018 01:27
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It’s impressive that even with the diverse styles those all look just like Bart.
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Jan 27, 2018 01:50
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From toe to tip.
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Jan 27, 2018 01:53
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The episodes of Tiny Toons and Animaniacs animated by TMS were very special to me as a kid. Probably the only thing that attracted me to the world of Japanese animation. Edit: I could never stomach the Kennedy episodes. thelaughingman fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jan 29, 2018 |
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Jan 29, 2018 00:33
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Inescapable Duck posted:Probably mentioned, but I'm told Speedy Gonzales has always been super popular in Mexico. Speedy Gonzales has always been super popular with everybody's sister in Mexico.
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Jan 29, 2018 05:56
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Inescapable Duck posted:Probably mentioned, but I'm told Speedy Gonzales has always been super popular in Mexico. Put aside the fact that he was a rare example of a positive role model and good representation, the stories basically cast him as Zorro.
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Jan 29, 2018 06:07
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I don't think the problem was ever Speedy himself, but the other mice who were all lazy.
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Jan 29, 2018 06:09
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Slowpoke Rodriguez, he carry a gun.
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Jan 29, 2018 06:21
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Yeah the only time Speedy was ever really problematic would be his very first short where he had a different much more racist design
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Jan 29, 2018 06:27
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I dunno how much the 'lazy mexican' stereotype has teeth nowadays given it's mostly moved onto 'stealing all the jobs', but then again I'm Australian, and we proudly stereotype ourselves as lazy and slacking off at every opportunity.
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Jan 29, 2018 06:37
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Inescapable Duck posted:I dunno how much the 'lazy mexican' stereotype has teeth nowadays given it's mostly moved onto 'stealing all the jobs', but then again I'm Australian, and we proudly stereotype ourselves as lazy and slacking off at every opportunity. You will find a 99% overlap in people who believe Mexicans are stealing our jobs and people who believe Mexicans are lazy welfare mooches.
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Jan 29, 2018 06:40
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Pakled posted:You will find a 99% overlap in people who believe Mexicans are stealing our jobs and people who believe Mexicans are lazy welfare mooches. Point. And we have the exact same thing with immigrants in Australia.
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Jan 29, 2018 08:10
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"Lazy" is one of those things people apply to every group they don't like. Because people, on the whole and from every background, are actually pretty lazy.
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Jan 29, 2018 09:11
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Beachcomber posted:I don't know where else to post this because I looked into ADTRW and nothing made sense. I’ve been watching LWA with my little sister. Such a great show I wish there were more anime like it, instead of creepy fan service bullshit
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Jan 29, 2018 10:40
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Pakled posted:You will find a 99% overlap in people who believe Mexicans are stealing our jobs and people who believe Mexicans are lazy welfare mooches. It's Schroedinger's Immigrant.
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Jan 29, 2018 14:45
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Lube Enthusiast posted:I’ve been watching LWA with my little sister. Such a great show I wish there were more anime like it, instead of creepy fan service bullshit The creepy fan service probably funds the good stuff.
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Jan 29, 2018 17:55
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Inescapable Duck posted:The creepy fan service probably funds the good stuff. fan service : anime :: SUVs : Porsche 
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Lube Enthusiast posted:I’ve been watching LWA with my little sister. Such a great show I wish there were more anime like it, instead of creepy fan service bullshit Preemptively: if someone tells you the next show from that studio is Darling in the Franxx, they're misguided and lying. That show is by A-1("I can't believe my little sister is this cute", a show about a guy who falls in love with his (step) sister.) with minimal contributions by Studio Trigger (Little Witch Academia).
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Jan 29, 2018 19:49
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lol at defending Trigger's honor, considering some of their past output.
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Jan 29, 2018 21:22
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A-1 Pictures (Erased) and Trigger (Kill la Kill) Like, outside of a few exceptions, the actual studio involved doesn't really mean that much since it's all fuckin' contractors. E: A-1 Pictures (Space Brothers) and Trigger (Inou Battle) Waffleman_ fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Jan 29, 2018 |
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Jan 29, 2018 21:25
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dogsicle posted:lol at defending Trigger's honor, considering some of their past output.
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Yeah, LWA is actually kind of an outlier in tone for Trigger.
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