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oh hey I missed this bit earlier:Quidthulhu posted:Your blindly following Bif who is also hardcore going after you for "being dumb rn" is kinda weird. I never called Tobbs scummy for any of that. I just complained about how he was misunderstanding my post and not getting that I was only talking about flavor, and complained about how it led to me outing the fact that I'm in a masonry, which is apparently a bit more unique than I first suspected.
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Quidthulhu posted:Also I like how you put me, Tobbs, MMT, and Bif into a game and suddenly there is no jokephase 
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Jan 29, 2018 00:56
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Tobbs quoted literally every statement he made about Bif except the incriminating "it's going to be hard to convince me she's scum." Why would he have left that out when I specifically mentioned it multiple times, come on.
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Jan 29, 2018 00:56
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Bifauxnen posted:oh hey I missed this bit earlier: But that's my entire point, Bif, you're doing a really good job of making statements you can expand upon later. Like in the interaction between us around my unvoting Juchero where you said "well what you said wasn't clear as all so of COURSE I voted you  " That looks like a statement moving away from being suspicious of me, but you used it to FUEL your suspicion later. I think you're being purposefully non-committal with a lot of what you're doing here.Direct question: Why aren't you responding to my case on you except to outright dismiss it without comment?
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Jan 29, 2018 00:58
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:See, your constant repetition of, "TOBBS IS 100% CERTAIN BIF IS TOWN.", while egregiously false, is being repeated by other players. Acknowledges that I asked him a question cause I thought he was suspicious. Deftly sidesteps the question to admonish Quid more. ... That's the sort of stuff I'm looking for? Right? I think I get it now... Tobbs, do you have a case?
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Jan 29, 2018 00:58
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Gonna laugh my rear end off if Tobbs stuck his nose in this to buddy up with Bif and it ends up with everyone dunking his scum rear end lol
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Jan 29, 2018 00:59
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Quidthulhu posted:Tobbs quoted literally every statement he made about Bif except the incriminating "it's going to be hard to convince me she's scum." Why would he have left that out when I specifically mentioned it multiple times, come on. well it is his most recent opinion. And "its going to be hard to convince me" doesnt mean "I'm certain", it just means... "its going to be hard to convince me". Quidthulhu posted:
Because I dont believe you are arguing in good faith, and I'm never going to convince you that you're scum. I'd rather let the points I've already made about you stand for themselves, and let others see just how far you're reaching now to desperately lunch me first. There is not much else for me to comment on, except for the occasional fun new thing to point out. Like how you were mad at me for NOT engaging enough, but then also accusing me of engaging you TOO much as some kind of entrapment to make you say bad flustered things.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:03
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I'm not even voting you any more, Bif. But I do buy that explanation from you. I am not sure why you are whiteknighting Tobbs now, but maybe his buddying to you has worked!
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Jan 29, 2018 01:06
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Has there ever been a game we've played together where you didn't think I was arguing in bad faith after you put me on the defensive D1, Bif? You do realize you go hard at me D1 EVERY GAME we're in together, right?
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Jan 29, 2018 01:06
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Quidthulhu posted:Also I like how you put me, Tobbs, MMT, and Bif into a game and suddenly there is no jokephase Would you four jokesters please put down the swords and look into someone other than yourselves for today? I am also in agreement with those saying that this feels like a town/town slapfight.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:07
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Quidthulhu posted:I'm not even voting you any more, Bif. because it seemed dishonest when you were pushing Tobbs like he shouldve been more on my case, just because I was allegedly "hardcore going after him" then.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:09
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Prince of Space posted:Would you four jokesters please put down the swords and look into someone other than yourselves for today? Town/town with whom? Me & Bif? All four of us? Tobbs is included in your "jokesters" but I think my case on him is strong. What do you think of it?
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Jan 29, 2018 01:09
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Bifauxnen posted:because it seemed dishonest when you were pushing Tobbs like he shouldve been more on my case, just because I was allegedly "hardcore going after him" then. He thought you did something suspicious enough to warrant a vote on you. At the time, you were turning around and calling him dumb for his "catch." Why would I not think it was weird he didn't CONTINUE to go after you at that point, especially considering he has been poking at me in a way he chose not to do with you, when I called him out for what I thought was a weak "catch" about me on his part?
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Jan 29, 2018 01:10
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Quidthulhu posted:Has there ever been a game we've played together where you didn't think I was arguing in bad faith after you put me on the defensive D1, Bif? You do realize you go hard at me D1 EVERY GAME we're in together, right? I'm pretty sure I was town all of those times while you were scum about half the time 
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Jan 29, 2018 01:10
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If that's not clear, what I mean is: he catches you in something, votes you, you start barking about why he's wrong and here's why he's wrong, he backs off and re-votes me, then calling you town multiple times. He catches me in something, votes me, I start barking about why he's wrong and he continues to insist I am scum without showing his work at all. This doesn't strike you as odd?
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Jan 29, 2018 01:11
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Bifauxnen posted:I'm pretty sure I was town all of those times while you were scum about half the time That speaks pretty highly of your inability to read me.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:11
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Quidthulhu posted:He thought you did something suspicious enough to warrant a vote on you. At the time, you were turning around and calling him dumb for his "catch." Why would I not think it was weird he didn't CONTINUE to go after you at that point, especially considering he has been poking at me in a way he chose not to do with you, when I called him out for what I thought was a weak "catch" about me on his part? I kinda lost the plot of this paragraph but Tobbs clearly seemed to have worked his way to an understanding of my post soon enough. Even though it shouldnt have required my mason claim to get him there, it did get him there where he could finally read the post as coming from a town place.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:13
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Quidthulhu posted:That speaks pretty highly of your inability to read me. wow, what do you think a "good" Mafia batting average on making cases would be then, and how close do you think most people are 
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Jan 29, 2018 01:15
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I guess I just don't see why YOU are so convinced he is town. You're clearly not mason's with each other, so what about his posting do you think is town on his part? Why am I having to ask people to case other people instead of posting "I feel this person is scum" over and over again  This is D1 but you can back your work up, people, my god.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:16
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Quidthulhu posted:What do you think of it? I think that the four most "serious" posters in this game (Quidthulhu, Tobbs Gnawed, Murmur Twin, Bifauxnen) should be left alone for today. They've been posting enough semi-productive stuff that they can be caught by it later. Personally I think scum is sitting back day 1, lurking and waiting to see where the town's pendulum is swinging before deadline hits.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:19
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Quidthulhu posted:I guess I just don't see why YOU are so convinced he is town. You're clearly not mason's with each other, so what about his posting do you think is town on his part? He sounds more convinced about me by now than I'm convinced about him. But I do see his reacting to new evidence and changing his mind after trying to nail me with a scumslip as a good sign that Tobbs is most likely scumhunting in good faith. Things can always change, but for now Tobbs is nowhere close to the top of my Lumpenlist.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:19
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Prince of Space posted:Would you four jokesters please put down the swords and look into someone other than yourselves for today? Uh I feel like I've been doing this? The main reason I'm trying to point out Bif / Quid as a slapfight is because I think it's far more likely that scum is hanging out under the radar and hiding behind high-volume posters casing each other. I'm going to bed soon and still think Juchero is the best vote for today. * (some combination of TM, b-, Chic, 50, Monathin off the top of my head)
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Jan 29, 2018 01:19
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Gulag being happy to chime in with "DEATH HIM DEATH HIM NOW" while vanishing for large periods of time is skeeving me out
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Jan 29, 2018 01:22
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b-minus1 posted:I strongly agree with both of these posts. Part of the reason I haven't posted a lot (along with being in two mafia games, but that's on me) is that I've been trying to learn as much as I can about flavor because it seems like it absolutely is going to play a part in figuring out roles/alignments. Can you explain these reads to me, B-? You mention basically no one up until this point except "lol at anyone who thought Quid was in danger of being dunked" and suddenly you have a list with several town reads and a scum read on me (popular discussion point at the time) and TM (was he being talked about at all?) What's the deal here? Why these folks with these reads?
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Jan 29, 2018 01:26
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hmmm nah I really got a good feel like Quid was just scum trying to desperately lunch me first, and this "lets back off and lunch someone more quiet" deal is Plan B when that didn't work so good. right now Im feeling a Quid+MT scumteam, plus Sal who MT left out of her lurker list. He's usually scummy sounding and misunderstood, but he hasnt even been posting enough to get misunderstood this time! 4th one prolly isn't Monathin if MT's in there, but he could take a spot if I'm wrong about MT. Guess Juch could also be an option in that case, but again, hard to see that any more with Quid around rn. Otherwise it could maaaybe be Prince, but I want to make sure he gets time to develop his reads for a while so we can see what he sounds like when he's not roleplaying a Texan cattle rancher. This is the post to quote and look back to if I end up NKed, btw
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Jan 29, 2018 01:29
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Monathin posted:Sorry Twin, got busier this weekend than I expected to be, let me indulge you real quick. I like this from Mona but don't like that I don't think I've heard from him since then. There's definitely a lot being discussed especially before I came in and took over the thread with my yelling and he was real good in Shine at making observations as he read quietly so I'm a bit susp on him being MIA.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:30
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Bifauxnen posted:hmmm nah I really got a good feel like Quid was just scum trying to desperately lunch me first, and this "lets back off and lunch someone more quiet" deal is Plan B when that didn't work so good. Someone more quiet being Tobbs? Are you serious with this right now?
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Jan 29, 2018 01:30
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Quidthulhu posted:Someone more quiet being Tobbs? Are you serious with this right now? No. Because I am not referring to Tobbs. I am referring to all the posts talking about how we should look outside the 4 of you, me, MT, and Tobbs. Sheesh.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:32
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Bifauxnen posted:ugggggh now see what you did Tobbs, I figured it woulda made sense for everyone or almost everyone to be paired up like this, and now I outed me and my bud for no reason at all. You don't think Tobbs was fishing for this info from you with all of this? Rereading his interactions with you I just can't understand why he backed off so fast. "I guess they have a masonry oh well" seems like a pretty big shoulder shrug away from a salient point to me.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:32
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b-minus1 posted:Something came up and I will be busy for the next two hours or so. Just want to pop in and say that bif is my strongest town read based on those recent posts. I would like to know what Bif posted in between your "driving home in 90 minutes" post and "something came up" post that made you have a strong town read on her at the time you posted this.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:33
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KhediveRex posted:This is the first helpful thing I've seen posted in almost 3 days. Please tell me more about Avenger Bif. This post is so town I can't even. There's no way a scum member would ask all this in thread instead of discussing it with their scum buddies privately. This is 100% newbie town posting.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:35
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Quidthulhu posted:I like this from Mona but don't like that I don't think I've heard from him since then. There's definitely a lot being discussed especially before I came in and took over the thread with my yelling and he was real good in Shine at making observations as he read quietly so I'm a bit susp on him being MIA. I've been here today and even pressed on Bif when she forgot the post you've made when you started to come in. I was also pretty suspect and pushing on Rex before Rex had that weird comment about a singular killer that makes them specifically less suspect as a scum to me. I've been engaging back and forth with the thread. I need to finish a read on Juch still because I got admittedly distracted.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:35
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Quidthulhu posted:You don't think Tobbs was fishing for this info from you with all of this? Rereading his interactions with you I just can't understand why he backed off so fast. "I guess they have a masonry oh well" seems like a pretty big shoulder shrug away from a salient point to me. Not really? I still suspect we might have a couple more masonries around that are just playing coy. And like he said, it's unconfirmed so what's the big deal. It just annoyed me that I came out with it for no good reason when Tobbs shoulda got it earlier.
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Monathin posted:Not to get into further setup spec, but I feel the same way, it makes sense to me, and paints fiddy's posts in the thread in a different light, one I'm more comfortable with. This also feels like more genuine sussing of stuff in comparison to the way Tobbs has been approaching trying to suss out people's statements. Saw something weird, wanted to get more info before he passes judgement. That's a town mindset. "Saw something weird, you are definitely scum, let me continue to tell you how you are scum," not so much. Then again that's basically what I do every game regardless of alignment so maybe I'm just only now realizing why I am bad at mafia
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Bif, in the several hours and pages of posts since you posted this....is your opinion on me REALLY still the same? Can you show evidence, with quotes, as examples of my doing what you say I am doing here?Bifauxnen posted:ok how much time is left? About 7 hours? And why did you like Rex for scum, at this point? His posts on the page you say this feel very town to me, with the exception of not being sure where he got Ilya from & how he's subsequently confused on flavor, but you don't mention any of that, so I don't know why you don't like Rex. You don't say.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:40
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Monathin posted:The thing of it is that, generally, Day 1 is the easiest time for scum to try and fly under the radar for the very same reasons you posted. Nling, while -possible- option, effectively gives the scum a free kill, which is something people will generally avoid doing D1. Mona's town, this is a genuine read and like I said, his lead up to it through his questioning felt very genuine to me as well.
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Jan 29, 2018 01:41
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Murmur Twin posted:I think Juchero's suspicion on 50 was faked. He was trying to imply that Berserker is anti-town while ignoring the fact that the last thing a scum berserker would do is just claim it and RP it. When pressed on it he admits that probably isn't scummy but that it sounds like "an anti-town 3P". This is not a bad case. The 3P jump is a bit weird in a game where we're talking about duos, especially since Bif floated the idea of pairs with their own win conditions - although again, my role PM just speaks about winning when threats are eliminated, so, jumping to 3ps and duo win conditions all around is strange.
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KhediveRex posted:So walk me through this... Again, there is no way scum Rex posts this in thread instead of in scumchat, especially after posting the prior post (where presumably a scumteam would have said 'bro, stop posting that in thread and ask us questions here.'). Rex is town.
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Man now that I'm actually catching up rather than just attempting to slow the roll of my demise, I actually really don't like Juchero's response to MMT. His posts are all feeling very hedgey and non-committal but again I think that's kind of his D1 modus operandi and I just don't know that I want to take him out when I feel there's a solid 50/50 chance I'm just reading him bad. Ughhhhuhuhuhuh.
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Bifauxnen, can you make that LumpenList for me? I'll do the same.
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