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DC Murderverse posted:the E:60 special that aired this morning has clips from videos that Nassar made about treating athletes and they were deeply disturbing given the context we now have, but before all this happened he was just like a cool doctor dude who spent all his time prodding the pelvises of teenage girls Who Michigan State couldn't stop giving adulation to. Talking with some people close to the situation, he was not unanimously approved by the hiring committee, and some people were overruled to give him his position. They also wanted to give him some distinguished Spartan helmet on the field during a football game.
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AsInHowe posted:Is Michigan State going to reform their university and fix their problems, or worry more about sports rivalry bullshit? Do universities typically hire presidents without advanced degrees?
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Do universities typically hire presidents without advanced degrees? There’s a growing trend to hire people as college presidents who are perceived to have been successful in public service or especially in business who do not have more than a BA or sometimes any college degree at all. Often (though not always) these will have grandiose ideas about “disrupting” the university in some way that is highly unworkable, as could be seen by anyone with even the faintest experience of higher-ed administration or even just anything beyond hazy frat-days nostalgia.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Do universities typically hire presidents without advanced degrees? I don't know if he has an advanced degree, but Youngstown State hired Jim Tressel, who was a big name. In a role whose largest responsibility is to keep the money flowing, then fame often outweighs experience or education.
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swickles posted:I don't know if he has an advanced degree, but Youngstown State hired Jim Tressel, who was a big name. In a role whose largest responsibility is to keep the money flowing, then fame often outweighs experience or education. He has a Masters from Akron.
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For anyone who doesn't know, Brenda Tracy was raped by Oregon State players in the early 2000s and now goes around the country working with coaches and their teams (including Mike Riley recently) on how not to be a rapist/perpetuate rape culture. I could definitely buy that Izzo doesn't know how bad it is considering he keeps putting his foot in his mouth. His public takes on the whole situation have been very much what I would expect from a well-meaning aging rich guy who lives in a bubble.
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Henchman of Santa posted:For anyone who doesn't know, Brenda Tracy was raped by Oregon State players in the early 2000s and now goes around the country working with coaches and their teams (including Mike Riley recently) on how not to be a rapist/perpetuate rape culture. https://twitter.com/brendatracy24/status/957786081222520832 https://www.theringer.com/features/2017/11/6/16599528/brenda-tracy-advocate-against-college-football-rape-culture
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AsInHowe posted:https://twitter.com/brendatracy24/status/957786081222520832 Do you believe the NCAA would pull the trigger on that if they wouldn't do it to Penn State? EDIT: though if Emmert really knew about Nassar maybe the NCAA will be very different soon enough! Henchman of Santa fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Jan 29, 2018 |
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Henchman of Santa posted:Do you believe the NCAA would pull the trigger on that if they wouldn't do it to Penn State? Maybe if they are caught paying players.
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I stand firm in my belief that the best thing the NCAA can do is stay in its lane and keep its nose out of this. They can't even do the things that are within their purview, like academic scandals right, how the hell are they supposed to navigate something like this?
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General Dog posted:I stand firm in my belief that the best thing the NCAA can do is stay in its lane and keep its nose out of this. They can't even do the things that are within their purview, like academic scandals right, how the hell are they supposed to navigate something like this? I agree. Let the legal system, which has subpoena power, uncover all the facts alongside good journalism and then make a decision. An NCAA investigation is toothless and nothing more than grandstanding, especially since Emmert was informed about this 8 years ago.
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When people debate what the NCAA response should be to something like this, it reminds me of Dave Chappelle's bit about MTV feeling the need to get Ja Rule's thoughts about the 9/11 attacks. edit: or better yet, this Spencer Hall piece he wrote about NCAA sanctions against PSU pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter. quote:What would I have the NCAA do here? Absolutely poo poo-nothing. After all, it's what they do most of the time. Ideally, I'd like them to evaporate overnight, and simply cease to exist. That will not happen, so I would instead like them to admit what they're doing: stabbing a corpse, and then demanding some public recognition of their ersatz bravery. I would like them to admit they are seizing a horrific moment in time to advance their own fartgassy agenda, and then demanding credit for it. They will burn an effigy after the courts have already done the hard work of humanity. General Dog fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Jan 29, 2018 |
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AsInHowe posted:https://twitter.com/brendatracy24/status/957786081222520832 Agreed. Until a couple of major programs get a 5 year death penalty nothing will change.
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I'm sure it will be an incredible deterrent, just like the literal death penalty.
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We'll need to be extra careful to cover this up now.
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swickles posted:Let the legal system, which has subpoena power, uncover all the facts alongside good journalism and then make a decision. Sure worked for Flint.
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General Dog posted:I'm sure it will be an incredible deterrent, just like the literal death penalty. SMU getting the death penalty was an incredible deterrent, it guaranteed the NCAA would never give it to anyone again
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Mike Valenti is calling ESPN's piece a "hit job" and is attacking the MSU social worker for being mean to Dantonio and Izzo. And now claiming that the criticism is just coming from Michigan fans.
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How did Mike Valenti react to them not wanting to hire a Michigan Man as their next president to fix these problems?
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C411 posted:How did Mike Valenti react to them not wanting to hire a Michigan Man as their next president to fix these problems? I don't think that topic came up.
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AsInHowe posted:Mike Valenti is calling ESPN's piece a "hit job" and is attacking the MSU social worker for being mean to Dantonio and Izzo. I've seen a bunch of fans online go after the social worker for what I thought were even-handed comments. Generally, the fanbase has only brought knives out once there were real threats to the big sports. I'm ready for MSU football and basketball death penalties, and largely ready just to stop paying attention to college sports.
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I'm going to side with Valenti here and point out that there is a burden of proof when you go at people that so far the article doesn't quite meet. The Payne and Appling story went all the way to the Ingham County Prosecutor, who not only said there was not enough to press charges, but that there was no crime. Dantonio dropped his nuts on the table for ESPN to smash with the hammer of proof, believing they don't have anything concrete. Dunning, the prosecutor at the time (not his assistant who was the woman hired at MSU) allegedly had a reputation for going after MSU athletes. Appling and Payne was investigated by the MSUPD, which is not a university-run police department. In addition the feds and the state already investigated MSU's Title IX investigation of Appling and Payne and concluded MSU was slow to investigate but the investigation was properly done. The only really new revelation that has State fans looking sideways is the second allegation against Travis Walton and the two unnamed basketball players. I'm not saying Dantonio and Izzo are innocent. What we allowed to happen with Nassar was unforgivably monstrous, and we deserve every bit of scrutiny and suspicion. But we're going to get gone over with a fine-tooth comb, multiple fine tooth combs, in fact. If either of them are guilty of any coverup, get the gently caress off my campus, but I'm going to wait for the investigations to determine it. In truth, I think we all know the most likely scenario for this to happen is for there to be merely "no proof" of any breaking of protocol by Dantonio or Izzo, but they're not going to be completely exonerated. They'll keep their jobs, but people will forever more taint their names. No guilt, but no vindication. Nothing solid, but dark clouds over them for the rest of their careers.
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Sky Shadowing posted:I'm going to side with Valenti here and point out that there is a burden of proof when you go at people that so far the article doesn't quite meet. The Payne and Appling story went all the way to the Ingham County Prosecutor, who not only said there was not enough to press charges, but that there was no crime. Dantonio dropped his nuts on the table for ESPN to smash with the hammer of proof, believing they don't have anything concrete. Dunning, the prosecutor at the time (not his assistant who was the woman hired at MSU) allegedly had a reputation for going after MSU athletes. Appling and Payne was investigated by the MSUPD, which is not a university-run police department. In addition the feds and the state already investigated MSU's Title IX investigation of Appling and Payne and concluded MSU was slow to investigate but the investigation was properly done. Theyre guilty by virtue of participating in a culture of looking the other way. It doesn't matter if they themselves committed a crime, the university and athletic leadership as a whole are guilty of at best willful ignorance and at worst deliberately enabling rapists.
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Sky Shadowing posted:I'm going to side with Valenti here and point out that there is a burden of proof when you go at people that so far the article doesn't quite meet. The Payne and Appling story went all the way to the Ingham County Prosecutor, who not only said there was not enough to press charges, but that there was no crime. Dantonio dropped his nuts on the table for ESPN to smash with the hammer of proof, believing they don't have anything concrete. Dunning, the prosecutor at the time (not his assistant who was the woman hired at MSU) allegedly had a reputation for going after MSU athletes. Appling and Payne was investigated by the MSUPD, which is not a university-run police department. In addition the feds and the state already investigated MSU's Title IX investigation of Appling and Payne and concluded MSU was slow to investigate but the investigation was properly done. I think it would be appropriate at this point for everyone to keep their nuts put away
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John Engler, former MI Gov, is going to be interim President for MSU. His enduring legacy in the state was in almost completely dismantling social services. I'm sure he'll do a great job supporting the Title IX office.
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Anals of History posted:John Engler, former MI Gov, is going to be interim President for MSU. His enduring legacy in the state was in almost completely dismantling social services. I'm sure he'll do a great job supporting the Title IX office.  not even gonna bother with the whole 'maybe they'll find someone actually good' thing because lol that is a loving terrible pick.
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I remember reading about Simone Biles two years ago, and even back then (in what was supposed to be a positive story) the Karolyis sounded like awful people. Simone Biles is the best in the world in what she does, but I still felt sorry for all the girls after reading that piece. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/05/30/simone-biles-is-the-best-gymnast-in-the-world
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The treatment at the Karoli and Geddert gyms is one reason why Nassar was able to do what he did. The coaches would break down the gymnasts mentally and physically and Nassar would be there with a kind work and forbidden candy / food. Nassar used it to build trust. Geddert should be the next to fall: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2018/01/24/gymnasts-detail-physical-abuse-former-coach-john-geddert/1064093001/
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Jack's Flow posted:I remember reading about Simone Biles two years ago, and even back then (in what was supposed to be a positive story) the Karolyis sounded like awful people. Simone Biles is the best in the world in what she does, but I still felt sorry for all the girls after reading that piece. lol lovin' the red flags every few sentences quote:She compares the process of getting into shape for competition as “repeatedly convincing yourself you aren’t going to die.” quote:“I think you’re sweet, but if you screw with her mind I will kill you. You can screw with her mind after the Olympics, but not before. I’ve got enough to deal with.” etc
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quote:Michigan State: Deputy AD Greg Ianni will be named interim AD, according to Chris Solari of the Detroit Free Press. Mark Hollis’s last day on the job is today.
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This is great stuff. http://mgoblog.com/content/looking-internally-aftermath-msu AsInHowe fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Feb 1, 2018 |
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Couldn't they just get somebody with no ties to the situation and a little less baggage, like Ian McCaw or the Tennessee guy?
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Police decided not to send the report to prosecutors after Nassar told them the technique he used required touching those areas and provided them with a Power Point presentation to detail the technique, which “had been published in medical journals and training tapes.” “I informed Mrs. (redacted) that we would be closing the case with no prosecution being sought, due to the facts presented to me by Dr. Nassar,” Detective Andrew McCready wrote.
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https://www.elevenwarriors.com/coll...him-immediately I thought this was an interesting take that is 100% accurate and drives home the absurdity of all this. quote:If Nassar had been unlawfully exploiting Michigan State trademarks for, say, an unlicensed t-shirt business the university would have hammered him within hours of its discovery. It wouldn't have even mattered if it was successful or not - if Nassar had used green and white, printed GO GREEN GO WHITE or SPARTANS WILL or any of the numerous, often dubious marks MSU holds to promote his own interests away from the clinic he would have immediately received a cease and desist order from university lawyers.
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AsInHowe posted:This is great stuff. Just want to say it’s good that at least someone other than Nassar is getting off on this scandal.
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