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oh boy
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# ? Jan 21, 2018 00:26 |
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 12:36 |
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Oh god no.
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# ? Jan 21, 2018 01:42 |
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I'm sorry, but that picture is way too low res for me to make heads or tails of beyond old cop car and bus so I don't get the panic.
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# ? Jan 21, 2018 01:51 |
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howe_sam posted:I'm sorry, but that picture is way too low res for me to make heads or tails of beyond old cop car and bus so I don't get the panic. Sign on building let us know previously that they will at least be acknowledging real world racial tensions whether or not they are a focus of the episode. Everything points to this being set in the early/mid 20th century American South. Latest photo shows a bus almost identical to the one that Rosa Parks is known for.
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# ? Jan 21, 2018 01:57 |
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Could also be something like historical events being messed up and the Doctor having to make sure things go as they're meant to, a la Back To The Future 2. At my most generous, maybe the aim is to make more historical/educational type shows and do stuff like teach kids about the civil rights movement
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# ? Jan 21, 2018 02:26 |
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Senor Tron posted:Sign on building let us know previously that they will at least be acknowledging real world racial tensions whether or not they are a focus of the episode. ahhhhhh, that makes sense then.
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# ? Jan 21, 2018 02:48 |
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2house2fly posted:Could also be something like historical events being messed up and the Doctor having to make sure things go as they're meant to, a la Back To The Future 2. This would still be pretty bad
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# ? Jan 21, 2018 03:05 |
Timby posted:This could get offensive real fast if it falls into a "Doctor inspired Rosa" / white savior trope, or if aliens / monsters were somehow involved. It's easy to see a ton of ways this could be really hosed up and bad, but I don't think it's worth getting preemptively upset. Context matters a whole lot here and we don't have that. I mean, I'm totally prepared to call it garbage after it proves to be garbage, but I'm holding of judgement for now. I will say I admire the show for trying to tackle racism head on, even if I don't quite have total faith it'll be tackled well, and I recognize it could quite possibly be incredibly counterproductive and bad.
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# ? Jan 21, 2018 06:30 |
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Timby posted:Looks that way, the bus matches: A BRITISH White Savoir to boot.
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# ? Jan 21, 2018 06:40 |
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Zygons have been spotted on-set in Cape Town along with the TARDIS. So ... Zygon fuckery with Rosa Parks. Chibnall, this is not an auspicious beginning.
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 00:10 |
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Reserving judgement until more info is available, but as of right now it's starting to look like my "gave up on the show under Moffat" streak stands a good chance of remaining unbroken. Mainly because I do not trust that a sensitive and nuanced portrayal of the Civil Rights Movement is going to come from the same man who wrote "Cyberwoman".
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 00:28 |
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The real Rosa Parks has been killed by Daleks and we have to get a body double on the bus quick
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 01:39 |
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The discovery that there are aliens makes the humans of this town realise that despite the colour of their skin they are all the same inside.
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 01:45 |
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Chib is already sending this episode to the back of the bus and it's not even finished yet.
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 01:46 |
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It turns out all the bad racist people were Zygons all along, and the solution the whole time was just to hate those dirty, interfering, refugee Zygons, who were the real racists. I'm not sure Doctor Who in general is the show to tackle the Civil Rights Movement in America in any kind of direct way. I'll wait until we know more, but, yeah... this doesn't look good. Even if it's just scene-setting, like... to what end?
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 01:47 |
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This is kind of hilarious because zygons on the set is absolutely the most perfect leak to make this sound worse than it already did. The leak to kill hype and lower expectations, the leak no one wanted.
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 02:01 |
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I forgot this thread existed and just caught up on it. Holy poo poo I wish I hadn't done that.
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 06:39 |
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Rhyno posted:I forgot this thread existed and just caught up on it. Yeah it's Not looking great
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 06:47 |
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Chibnall also wrote the episodes of Life on Mars about a suspect dying in custody and Sam meeting his mentor: the first black cop on the force. It MIGHT be fine?
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 14:19 |
Szmitten posted:Chibnall also wrote the episodes of Life on Mars about a suspect dying in custody and Sam meeting his mentor: the first black cop on the force. It MIGHT be fine? The black cop was okay but everything else in that episode was liquid poo poo.
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 14:30 |
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Bicyclops posted:It turns out all the bad racist people were Zygons all along, and the solution the whole time was just to hate those dirty, interfering, refugee Zygons, who were the real racists. Maybe uhhhh the Zygons disguise themselves as white people and actually just allow Parks to sit quietly in her seat? And without this incident the history of the Civil Rights movement is altered to the Zygons' ends? Even that would undermine how an incident like this was eventually going to happen and also puts Doctor Who in the really lovely position of having to "fix" the timeline by reverting to the horrible reality that a woman was harassed and then arrested and embarrassed for the color of her skin. There's basically no way they can handle this well, they should not even attempt to touch this.
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 22:22 |
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Rosa Parks was an empowered young activist who specifically sought to fight Jim Crow laws, and the worst thing this story could do is perpetuate the idea that she was a tired, apolitical old lady.
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 22:58 |
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I just wanted good Doctor Who And the worst thing is that a lot of the worst kind of nerds are going to blame the quality on the new Doctor rather than the one actually responsible
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 23:02 |
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The best way I think this could be done is to just use the setting as a backdrop for an unrelated story. Allows the Doctor to comment about it and maybe ties into the themes, but without tying directly into the events, which would be tasteless and irresponsible.
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# ? Jan 31, 2018 23:02 |
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DoctorWhat posted:Rosa Parks was an empowered young activist who specifically sought to fight Jim Crow laws, and the worst thing this story could do is perpetuate the idea that she was a tired, apolitical old lady. I mean sure, but that's also a bit of a stretch isn't it? At the time of the bus protest she was in her forties and she didn't board the bus looking to challenge Jim Crow. She wasn't apolitical, but she also wasn't John Lewis looking to cause "Good Trouble". Heck, I didn't even realize (or forgot) that she originally sat in the "colored" section of the bus, and was only asked to move because the white-only section filled up. She was a politically active middle-aged woman going home from work who hit her "gently caress this" point in the face of Jim Crow. All that aside, I think filming an episode about the US Civil Rights movement in South Africa is wild
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# ? Feb 1, 2018 00:13 |
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Thing is, Chibnall could have easily done a DW episode or two about racism and the struggle for equal rights and civil rights, all without potentially trivializing actual historical figures and events or alienating viewers who take offense as to how these actual people were depicted. Just follow the grand SF tradition of "make an analogue for real-world Earth thing by setting it on a different planet with different species". Hell, DW's done it more times than most of us have had hot dinners, combined.
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# ? Feb 1, 2018 01:19 |
Or Rosa Parks is featuring in the episode as an entirely accurate depiction of the event because Yasmine, whose a political activist, tells the Doctor she wants to witness it. That's a possibility too.
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# ? Feb 2, 2018 22:50 |
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howe_sam posted:I mean sure, but that's also a bit of a stretch isn't it? At the time of the bus protest she was in her forties and she didn't board the bus looking to challenge Jim Crow. She wasn't apolitical, but she also wasn't John Lewis looking to cause "Good Trouble". Heck, I didn't even realize (or forgot) that she originally sat in the "colored" section of the bus, and was only asked to move because the white-only section filled up. She was a politically active middle-aged woman going home from work who hit her "gently caress this" point in the face of Jim Crow. Not to do a too deep dive into this but they had a few cases of this and Rosa Parks presented as someone white america would sympathize with/find no personal fault with. Also, as an American it's going to be uh...interesting to see a British take on the civil rights movement. Moffat gave Nixon a much more kindlier treatment that he deserved.
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# ? Feb 2, 2018 23:00 |
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Mooseontheloose posted:Also, as an American it's going to be uh...interesting to see a British take on the civil rights movement. Moffat gave Nixon a much more kindlier treatment that he deserved. He gave Churchill a much kinder treatment than he deserved too
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# ? Feb 2, 2018 23:41 |
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Weird how we have to condemn the Hartnell era of Doctor Who by turning the First Doctor into a cartoon racist, but Nixon and Churchill are depicted as lovable scamps who had to be hardass decision makers.
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# ? Feb 2, 2018 23:54 |
Bicyclops posted:Weird how we have to condemn the Hartnell era of Doctor Who by turning the First Doctor into a cartoon racist, but Nixon and Churchill are depicted as lovable scamps who had to be hardass decision makers. This is because it was Moffats parting shot at those who call him sexist. He wanted to let you know that despite his faults it could be much worse... by inventing faults that weren't present in a 60 year old version of the show. It's actually immensely disrespectful to the production crew of the time (which remains the most diverse one that Doctor Who has ever had) for a white rich man to protray their character as a racist and sexist dinosaur for his own gratification.
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# ? Feb 3, 2018 00:00 |
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I think it was meant to be in defense of casting Jodie Whittaker rather than a defense of his own writing, to be honest, but it was still cowardly to not only compare the current state of the show to 50 years ago, but to an invented version of 50 years ago that needlessly turns up the sexism to 11. Coincidentally, that's what a Civil Rights era episode is in danger of doing.
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# ? Feb 3, 2018 00:07 |
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I think the reasoning behind it was the thing that makes Steven Moffat look worst. As I hate him personally, that makes a lot of sense to me.
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# ? Feb 3, 2018 00:41 |
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Same but unironically.
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# ? Feb 3, 2018 00:54 |
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You've gone too far Chibs! https://twitter.com/memoriesdw/status/963498248349650946
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# ? Feb 13, 2018 21:18 |
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Davros1 posted:You've gone too far Chibs! Well, with no longer having pockets on her clothes she has to keep all the random poo poo previous Doctors stashed in theirs somewhere... Bum bag aside, I really like the costume seeing it that way
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# ? Feb 13, 2018 22:11 |
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Fanny packs are apparently in again, although it didn't occur to me until just now that of course they can't call them that in the UK.
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# ? Feb 13, 2018 22:32 |
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I hope her bag is bigger on the inside like Doraemon’s.
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# ? Feb 13, 2018 22:56 |
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Wheezle posted:I hope her bag is bigger on the inside like Doraemon’s.
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# ? Feb 13, 2018 23:29 |
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Sorry, but fanny packs are cool. Just like bowties.
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# ? Feb 14, 2018 01:02 |