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Choco1980 posted:haha, I'm actually facebook friends with the lady playing the "Lil" parody...for non-pornographic reasons actually. She likes to post cute puppy memes. Are you "friends" in that you're both on social media, or are you "friends" like you go out drinking on the weekends and bitch about your jobs to each other?
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Mu Zeta posted:I don't think they have money in Star Trek.
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Jedit posted:Assuming you're talking about the ship and not the show, why would they not eat meat for any reason other than not liking it? Replicators remove any cruelty from production. Sure, PETA of the 23rd Century would still be protesting that cows had been bred 80 years earlier to get the template for that perfect cut of Kobe beef you just ate, but they'd be even more fringe than they are today. Sisko's father was a chef and took pride in not using replicated foods, so there were still farms. I think part of it was that with replicators, people could do what they wanted to do. So farmers who wanted to farm could do so, ect.
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Feb 3, 2018 15:35
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There were no replicators on Enterprise, or arguably even TOS. Enterprise even had a chef as an always off-screen character. ALWAYS. OFF. SCREEN. ALWAYS
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Feb 3, 2018 15:38
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Replicated food is frequently said to be inferior to actual stuff too.
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Feb 3, 2018 15:44
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Replicated food is frequently said to be inferior to actual stuff too. I always thought that was just like audiophiles saying that gold cables sound better than regular cables. Or like when your girlfriend tries to make tamales and they're terrible, but it was fun making tamales with her so you think they're better. But not better than the tamale guys.
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I'd like to imagine that by that time period in the future inane, anti-reality beliefs like veganism have disappeared.
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Feb 3, 2018 16:37
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The Bloop posted:There were no replicators on Enterprise, or arguably even TOS. And on Enterprise that chef was William Riker.
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Feb 3, 2018 16:46
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muscles like this! posted:And on Enterprise that chef was William Riker. Ha ha, no. https://www.somethingawful.com/news/blue-stripe-life/
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I think the issue with replicated food is that it's always going to taste exactly the same, unless they have some kind of randomisation going on. I don't think people living on a space station or starship usually feel the need to complain until they have regular enough access to home-grown food. Food comes up a lot in DS9, one of Jake's favourite lunches combines human, Bajoran and Klingon cuisine. And Sisko's dad gives Cajun-Ferengi fusion a shot, and the Ferengi at least love it.
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Feb 3, 2018 17:55
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muscles like this! posted:And on Enterprise that chef was William Riker. Always. Off. Screen.
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Feb 3, 2018 18:48
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Kind of want to see an Enterprise beef slaughter house where instead of the bolt they just set phasers to stun.
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Feb 3, 2018 19:00
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Would be odd to make halal meat the center of a star trek episode.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Kind of want to see an Enterprise beef slaughter house where instead of the bolt they just set phasers to stun. They use the transporter to beam out the various cuts.
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poptart_fairy posted:Would be odd to make halal meat the center of a star trek episode. I would watch Star Hajj.
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It's interesting that the Bajorans are such devoutly religious freaks but the shows don't really make fun of them. It's surprisingly nuanced and in fact we find out that their gods are pretty much real.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Are you "friends" in that you're both on social media, or are you "friends" like you go out drinking on the weekends and bitch about your jobs to each other? Well I don't know her IRL, but we've been friends online for years and sometimes talk and stuff. This is the 21st century dude, like 90% of my "real" friends I've not met face to face. Switching gears, relating to the food prep in the earlier set Star Treks, I was watching an old rerun on tv recently, the very early one with the kid with god like powers, and there's a brief throwaway bit where Kirk is talking to a dude in a hallway about it being Thanksgiving back on Earth, and advising him for what kind of synthetic foods to stock the food replicators with. So it WAS on screen once, Bloop. (incidentally, he tells him to put in synthetic meatloaf. Apparently Kirk is an idiot about Earth traditions. One of the earliest displays of the kid's weird powers is that crewman then calling on the comm later to say with befuddlement that the machines are suddenly filled with non-synthetic turkey meat)
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Mu Zeta posted:It's interesting that the Bajorans are such devoutly religious freaks but the shows don't really make fun of them. It's surprisingly nuanced and in fact we find out that their gods are pretty much real. I'd say it's kind of hit and miss on that point in the early seasons. Having watched "The Storyteller" a few weeks ago, it seems to skate by because the Dal'Rok is presumably not part of /mainline/ Bajoran Religion, but the depiction of the religion of the Bajoran village in that episode is of the "It's a scam, but it's a scam we can work with" variety.
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It seemed like the TOS "food dispensers" were more like automated vending machines putting together sandwiches and poo poo from existing stores of foodstuffs, not molecular assemblers. Of course, terminology in TOS was fast and loose all the time. I still wonder what those food cubes were like.
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There was a kitchen/galley on the Enterprise-A in Star Trek VI. Mainly there for the cute scene of Valeris demonstrating that you can't fire a phaser set to kill without an alarm going off by disintegrating a pot, but somehow leaving the contents.
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Jedit posted:Assuming you're talking about the ship and not the show, why would they not eat meat for any reason other than not liking it? Replicators remove any cruelty from production. Sure, PETA of the 23rd Century would still be protesting that cows had been bred 80 years earlier to get the template for that perfect cut of Kobe beef you just ate, but they'd be even more fringe than they are today. I was talking about the Enterprise show with Archer. The token Vulcan officer on that show mentions that eating meat is revolting and that civilized societies don't kill animals. Archer says that humans just need time to catch up. I think Enterprise takes place like 100 years before the Kirk and Spock series so they were definitely eating real animals on the ship.
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The Bloop posted:It seemed like the TOS "food dispensers" were more like automated vending machines putting together sandwiches and poo poo from existing stores of foodstuffs, not molecular assemblers. I sort of figured there is/was a "fabrication/3D food printing" step between pre-packed food and replicator technology. Like you could punch in what you want and there would just be huge stores of proteins, carbs, fats, flavors, colors, etc. in giant drums getting wizzed out into prep/dispensing stations at relatively fast speeds with the shape, temp, color, flavor and texture that closely approximated what you wanted.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I sort of figured there is/was a "fabrication/3D food printing" step between pre-packed food and replicator technology. Oh! Like an Arby's!
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There is a machine on the NCC-1701 with one purpose. It produces a near endless sheet of thin-sliced roast beef as a little meat printing nozzle moves back and forth and some rollers gently pull it out at the rate of a few centimeters a second into a warming station.
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The calibrated wokeness that allows them to smugly condescend to indigenous cultures for still eating meat was the greatest accomplishment of Vulcan civilization.
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Riker loving loves Klingon food, especially when it's still wriggling. Pretty much every depiction of Vulcans outside of main characters has them be totally insufferable shitheads who are in their own way as blatantly, smugly supremacist as goddamn Cardassians. Ghost Leviathan has a new favorite as of 16:06 on Feb 4, 2018 |
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Inescapable Duck posted:Riker loving loves Klingon food, especially when it's still wriggling. Not the show but there’s an FMV game that stars the actor who played the Klingon leader and several others who I assume were probably background characters at the time. It’s meant to be a holodeck program that teaches humans about Klingon culture and “you” are coming-of-age and have to solve a murder mystery while retaining your family’s honor. It holds up a bit better than I expected but still has some hilariously unfair game overs, but mainly I feel it presents Klingons as the analog to dwarves with all the drinking and singing (there is Klingon opera).
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Inescapable Duck posted:I think the issue with replicated food is that it's always going to taste exactly the same, unless they have some kind of randomisation going on. I don't think people living on a space station or starship usually feel the need to complain until they have regular enough access to home-grown food. I like to imagine that all federation ships have a thriving black market in custom codes for food replicators. It's part of why seemingly every starfleet officer is amazing at high level biochemistry, neurology and custom programming - you need to be sufficiently interdisciplinary to be able to design your own hamburger that doesn't taste like poo poo.
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Typo, I meant Vulcans, Vulcans are basically insufferable racist shitheads who never get called out on it, though that's about standard for nearly every flavour of elves in fiction.Strom Cuzewon posted:I like to imagine that all federation ships have a thriving black market in custom codes for food replicators. I recall Sisko is shown to specifically have his own little garden going, and at one point laments that his girlfriend ruined his home-grown peppers trying to cook.
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That one time Riker got a giant egg somewhere and made scrambled eggs for the senior staff on a space Sterno in his quarters and it was loving gross but Worf liked it.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Typo, I meant Vulcans, Vulcans are basically insufferable racist shitheads who never get called out on it, though that's about standard for nearly every flavour of elves in fiction. Hardly anyone ever realizes just how loving racist fantasy elves are, and I'm wondering how well that concept is going to age as society becomes more progressive and tolerant.
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Mad Hamish posted:Hardly anyone ever realizes just how loving racist fantasy elves are, and I'm wondering how well that concept is going to age as society becomes more progressive and tolerant. Lots of books were the elves stomp around in bright red caps screaming "Make Angmar Great Again!"
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Mad Hamish posted:Hardly anyone ever realizes just how loving racist fantasy elves are, and I'm wondering how well that concept is going to age as society becomes more progressive and tolerant. Probably just the same. It's easier to dissociate racism when it's in a fantasy setting. Elves come off as elitist jerks now, they'll come off as elitist jerks later as well.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Riker loving loves Klingon food, especially when it's still wriggling. Which is why how Enterprise portrayed them was pretty good, it gave them actual nuance with not everything they did being perfect and logical. There was a lot more universe lore in that series than people who dismissed it would suspect.
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Mad Hamish posted:Hardly anyone ever realizes just how loving racist fantasy elves are, and I'm wondering how well that concept is going to age as society becomes more progressive and tolerant. Don’t worry I realize it my friend and I dream of a day when elves stop persecuting others
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The Bloop posted:That one time Riker got a giant egg somewhere and made scrambled eggs for the senior staff on a space Sterno in his quarters and it was loving gross but Worf liked it. https://youtu.be/1C-i7J9ZLuM It’s a bad scene and the doctor is super bad
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I mean, the Dying Racist trope is a trope for a reason.
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