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if i'm not mistaken she also did the Bush administration's heavy lifting in the media to convince people that the Iraq War was a good idea
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The Cameo posted:More importantly, she's someone who won a Pulitzer for convincing the nation that Monica Lewinsky was a naive horny gold digger valley girl with an eating disorder. This is what always sticks out in my mind. She was arguing, years after the fact even, that Bill Clinton did nothing wrong. Groovelord Neato posted:this makes me feel old. she got famous in the 90s for her nyt columns about the lewinsky scandal (i think she even won the pulitzer). She did indeed.
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Feb 4, 2018 04:34
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DC Murderverse posted:if i'm not mistaken she also did the Bush administration's heavy lifting in the media to convince people that the Iraq War was a good idea That was Judith Miller, another NYT writer.
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I knew a guy who claimed he slept with her around 2008 when he was 22 or so. He had a thing for redheads so I believe it.
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Feb 4, 2018 05:12
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sponges posted:Why wouldn’t they just fake the spit? What the gently caress is wrong with QT? You don't want to make the Internet Movie Spit Database angry with fake spit
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Feb 4, 2018 05:14
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This implied accusation that he tried to kill Uma Thurman to protect Weinstein is absolutely loving ridiculous. I mean it is poo poo-stupid on its face, and anybody who believes it is no different from people who think the Clintons killed Vince Foster and a whole slew of other people. Jesus loving goddamn Christ.
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Feb 4, 2018 07:45
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I haven't had a chance to read that yet, but is this all stuff from Uma's mouth or third parties? Last I checked she and Quentin were still bffs and potentially dating.
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Feb 4, 2018 07:47
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MrMojok posted:This implied accusation that he tried to kill Uma Thurman to protect Weinstein is absolutely loving ridiculous. I mean it is poo poo-stupid on its face, and anybody who believes it is no different from people who think the Clintons killed Vince Foster and a whole slew of other people. It's starting to sound like a great plot for a Tarantino movie.
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MrMojok posted:This implied accusation that he tried to kill Uma Thurman to protect Weinstein is absolutely loving ridiculous. I mean it is poo poo-stupid on its face, and anybody who believes it is no different from people who think the Clintons killed Vince Foster and a whole slew of other people. the article is kinda poorly written but I don't think Uma is trying to say that she thinks Quentin literally tried to kill her to protect Harvey. I think she's saying that she realized that Quentin is a part of the larger apparatus of Hollywood that uses women as tools rather than seeing them as people and, following her attack by Weinstein, she saw the crash and the way she was pushed into it as a sort of cosmic relation to that attack. Two different men, one with intention and one with ignorance, damaged her mentally and physically because they were empowered by a system that tells powerful men who make a lot of money that the feelings of others are secondary to their own wants and needs, whether they're sexual or artistic. edit: the term they use in the article (and it has quotes around it so I assume it came from Thurman herself) is "dehumanization to the point of death". Not "they tried to murder me to keep me quiet". DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Feb 4, 2018 |
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Feb 4, 2018 09:25
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DC Murderverse posted:the article is kinda poorly written but I don't think Uma is trying to say that she thinks Quentin literally tried to kill her to protect Harvey. I think she's saying that she realized that Quentin is a part of the larger apparatus of Hollywood that uses women as tools rather than seeing them as people and, following her attack by Weinstein, she saw the crash and the way she was pushed into it as a sort of cosmic relation to that attack. Two different men, one with intention and one with ignorance, damaged her mentally and physically because they were empowered by a system that tells powerful men who make a lot of money that the feelings of others are secondary to their own wants and needs, whether they're sexual or artistic. That's how I read it as well. I like Tarantino's films, but goddamn, that's extremely lovely. Maybe unforgiveable, for someone who should obviously know better.
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DC Murderverse posted:the article is kinda poorly written but I don't think Uma is trying to say that she thinks Quentin literally tried to kill her to protect Harvey. I think she's saying that she realized that Quentin is a part of the larger apparatus of Hollywood that uses women as tools rather than seeing them as people and, following her attack by Weinstein, she saw the crash and the way she was pushed into it as a sort of cosmic relation to that attack. Two different men, one with intention and one with ignorance, damaged her mentally and physically because they were empowered by a system that tells powerful men who make a lot of money that the feelings of others are secondary to their own wants and needs, whether they're sexual or artistic. That's the problem with Dowd. I don't think Thurman is linking the two incidents, but Dowd appears to be. Uma's quote at the end sums it up: her story is about different kinds of mistreatment from two different men, one of whom she was close with. But Dowd, in between her godawful prose, tries to draw a line from the incident with Weinstein and then quickly to her falling out with Tarantino as though she wants the reader to infer something she can't come out and say. I would've liked more about how Thurman feels now looking back given that she was at Tarantino's engagement party last year, so clearly they have some sort of relationship even if they're not going to work together again. I think what damns Tarantino more is that he continued to work with Weinstein after confronting him, though again the article does a poor job of explaining how much he knew. At least Ethan Hawke comes out of it well.
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-Blackadder- posted:There may be some practical reason for it. A lot of things that you'd think would be super easy to fake, end up being strangely difficult when you're actually on a movie set trying to do it in real life and have it not come off as cheesy on film. There's the story about The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly where Leone was going to shoot the big bridge explosion scene, and he wanted Clint Eastwood and Eli Wallach down near it when it went off. Clint asked Leone where he was going to be, and Leone pointed to the top of a faraway hill. Clint then told him "Then that's where we're going to be." Also, on that film, Wallach was nearly hanged, set loose on a runaway horse, nearly decapitated by a train, and accidentally drank acid.
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esperterra posted:I haven't had a chance to read that yet, but is this all stuff from Uma's mouth or third parties? Last I checked she and Quentin were still bffs and potentially dating. It's a direct primary-source interview with Thurman done over two nights.
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Maureen Dowd's article is one of the worst pieces of writing I have ever seen. It's wildly inappropriate writing for such a serious topic, full of cheap tabloid gimmicks and hackneyed allusions. It's particularly bad because the verbatim quotes from Thurman show she is putting incredible care into her choice of words and how she is expressing herself, but the quotes are all but lost amongst all this poo poo:quote:She has been raped. She has been sexually assaulted. She has been manglend in hot steel. She has been betrayed and gaslighted by those she trusted. I can't read that in anything but the voice of an e! news presenter talking about someone's latest movie role. It's like the writing is smirking.
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Feb 4, 2018 16:27
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Yeah that's the other thing, the writing is atrocious.
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Feb 4, 2018 16:29
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she's always been a poor writer that's why i never understood (ignoring subject matter) how she became famous. tho david brooks somehow still collects a paycheck for his inane drivel.
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Feb 4, 2018 16:47
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It's because op-ed writing is 100% incestuous, nepotistic trash, especially at the big papers.
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Tars Tarkas posted:You don't want to make the Internet Movie Spit Database angry with fake spit there is just no way I could spit on someone like that.
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Feb 4, 2018 17:38
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I can understand using real spit in a film. I can't understand or come up with an innocent reason as to why the performing actor was pushed aside so the director himself could spit on the actress. And I wound up reading everything that was in quotations to negotiate my way around the padded drivel. Oh, hey, her five year-old showed up in PJs and eating a raw cucumber. How... relevant.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's because op-ed writing is 100% incestuous, nepotistic trash, especially at the big papers. Seriously.
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DrVenkman posted:But Dowd, in between her godawful prose, tries to draw a line from the incident with Weinstein and then quickly to her falling out with Tarantino as though she wants the reader to infer something she can't come out and say. Yeah, the article either shouldn't have tried to draw that thread, or it should have let Uma Thurman do so in her own words. One does not need to "spice up" a story that's already about rape, cinema, and a near-death car accident. Dowd's been at this forty years, and she manages to make that babe.com writer look good.
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Feb 4, 2018 18:31
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sponges posted:there is just no way I could spit on someone like that. What if they were wearing a MAGA hat
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I just can't trust anything in that article unless it's a direct quote from Thurman. She doesn't outright draw a throughline from the spitting/choking takes to Tarantino making her perform an unsafe stunt, although Dowd clearly wants you to. It's possible Thurman only mentioned those as examples of other stuff she went through making the movie and Dowd seized on it to imply Tarantino had some kind of weird jerkoff power fantasy about choking and spitting on Uma?
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Al Borland Corp. posted:What if they were wearing a MAGA hat Yeah. Spit on those people.
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WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:I just can't trust anything in that article unless it's a direct quote from Thurman. She doesn't outright draw a throughline from the spitting/choking takes to Tarantino making her perform an unsafe stunt, although Dowd clearly wants you to. It's possible Thurman only mentioned those as examples of other stuff she went through making the movie and Dowd seized on it to imply Tarantino had some kind of weird jerkoff power fantasy about choking and spitting on Uma? The main problem here is the godawful writing. Aside from all the bad flourishes it's also totally unclear what Dowd is saying.
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Basically Thurman is making a clear statement of what she went through, and Dowd is trying in a very writerly way to weave it all into a grander tapestry and that's kind of a bad idea in a case like this.
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Feb 4, 2018 21:38
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I love the Times and their op-eds reaaaaally piss me off. But I don't think the average person understands the clear line between news and opinion at a newspaper. Thurman shoulda gone to a real reporter.
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Feb 4, 2018 21:47
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Maxwell Lord posted:Basically Thurman is making a clear statement of what she went through, and Dowd is trying in a very writerly way to weave it all into a grander tapestry and that's kind of a bad idea in a case like this. Yeah, there's a ton of "look how loving clever I am" construction and it's nauseating when dealing with a topic like an actress being coerced against her will into doing something that very easily could have loving killed her.
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Feb 4, 2018 21:53
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I love Tarintino movies but he can suck it for what he did to Thurman.
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Feb 4, 2018 22:02
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Das Boo posted:I can understand using real spit in a film. I can't understand or come up with an innocent reason as to why the performing actor was pushed aside so the director himself could spit on the actress. Given the choice between being spit on my Michael Madsen and Quentin Tarantino, I'd probably go with Tarantino, too. Who the gently caress knows where Michael Madsen's mouth has been.
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The Cameo posted:Given the choice between being spit on my Michael Madsen and Quentin Tarantino, I'd probably go with Tarantino, too. on the other hand, lord knows Tarantino may have had some toes in his mouth earlier that day. toes are gross.
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I know that playing a creeper doesn't mean you are a creeper, but this just makes James Franco seem even ickier. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4McHSYigW0
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Das Boo posted:And I wound up reading everything that was in quotations to negotiate my way around the padded drivel. Most people will see it as purposeless padding, but for me the main take away from the article is that Uma Thurman is a confirmed celebrity vaper.
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SimonCat posted:I know that playing a creeper doesn't mean you are a creeper, but this just makes James Franco seem even ickier. What am I missing?
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Feb 5, 2018 02:49
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Well he's obviously calling from inside the house.
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https://twitter.com/billiejdporter/status/955017781761757184
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You know the concept of "institutional memory" is long dead when VICE thinks they can pull this poo poo on people.
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Feb 5, 2018 04:14
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Well they're really hoping people don't remember that their company was cofounded by an alt-right/mra airbag so what's one more thing to try and gloss over.
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porfiria posted:I knew a guy who claimed he slept with her around 2008 when he was 22 or so. He had a thing for redheads so I believe it. Thank you.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Well they're really hoping people don't remember that their company was cofounded by an alt-right/mra airbag so what's one more thing to try and gloss over. It's not like they have disavowed and gone in a totally different direction, it's still the same poo poo so I don't know who this fake woke business plays with.
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