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Guy Goodbody posted:Even Symphogear, literally the gayest anime, doesn't have any kisses. The Utena tv series has exclusively heterosexual kissing, as far as I remember. On the other hand, you have Simoun.
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Symphogear is pretty gay, but calling it literally the gayest anime is a bit far. Now, calling it literally the best anime....
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Feb 5, 2018 17:27
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Ignoring the sexuality of this series for a moment, it saddens me that we have a full version of the merely okay at best opening but the much better ending only has a TV version. Anyone know when that full comes out?
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Feb 5, 2018 17:37
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Crabtree posted:Nah, I'll give you that Hiro has a knack for socializing, but I still think that despite his frustration and possible depression from not keeping up with the rest of the birdcage combat wise, there is some value that the show hasn't revealed yet to him otherwise why keep a bird that can't fly? Just because they think he has a combat value (probably) based on the fact his numbers only bottom out after first maxing doesn't mean he has whatever combat value they think he will. His actual value seems to be that he's a creative and daring combatant who'll try things like rushing through the interior of a giant worm Klaxosaur where everyone else (bar 02) just thought the task of finding it's core impossible, and that he carries that creativity over to non-combat roles while socializing with others. Other than that his value seems to be an emotional connection with 02 based on seeing her as human and wanting freedom too, rather than some kind of physical one that makes him an inherently special pilot or combatant. Crabtree posted:If 002 sees him as a means to escape than that's all a darling really is and she could just leave him after he serves that purpose. If all she saw in him was a means to freedom, then she'd have no reason to ask if he wants it in the first place and would just force it to happen. Actually, if all she wanted was to escape then she could could have done it at any time really, since her male partners before Hiro were helpless when she went buckwild in the cockpit apparently. They needed to be carried out on stretchers, which isn't exactly conducive to stopping her. Crabtree posted:The numbers is just bullshit the society came up with so I'm not expecting them to be real power levels nonsense or whatever, but more that if he was the kind of assertive 002 is, he'd at least have the kind of combat performance the little dystopia cares for. And if the girl can kill the rider, It isn't that much of a stretch to assume that the opposite can occur and a rider can use up the girl and cast her aside. I don't see why a guy couldn't similarly kill a girl partner, but just because that's one possible avenue for destroying a partnership doesn't mean it's the only way it could happen.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Even Symphogear, literally the gayest anime, doesn't have any kisses. Thats anime gay. Yozakura had 2 girls be in a serious(ly cute) relationship that everyone in the series looked at as perfectly normal (as in, no one called attention to it). You would see them holding hands, exchange gifts, go out on dates, be worried for each other and yes, the culminating part of the second episode was them kissing. That relationship always struck me as weird in just how normal it was, that says a lot about anime or media in general I guess.
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Feb 5, 2018 17:51
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chiasaur11 posted:Goro's also, so far, the most low drama guy. I mean, the pudgy guy and his partner have no active drama, but there's implied trouble under the surface, especially with the VA interviews. Meanwhile, Goro's able to take some pretty awkward circumstances without complaint. VA interviews? Could you link those?
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Feb 5, 2018 17:53
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Kyte posted:VA interviews? Could you link those? Can do.
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Feb 5, 2018 18:06
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i really liked the lady who conjured things out of her mouth but i found that show incredibly dull and boring
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Thats anime gay. Yozakura had 2 girls be in a serious(ly cute) relationship that everyone in the series looked at as perfectly normal (as in, no one called attention to it). You would see them holding hands, exchange gifts, go out on dates, be worried for each other and yes, the culminating part of the second episode was them kissing. That relationship always struck me as weird in just how normal it was, that says a lot about anime or media in general I guess. A little bit off topic, but this was one of the things I liked most about Centaur's worries. There is an open lesbian couple in that show who are basically bit characters. There's a part early on where Manami is taking care of her little sisters and runs into that couple. They kiss in front of her and her sisters and Manami gets a little uncomfortable. It's later revealed that Manamo herself has a girlfriend! However, she's a more traditional person and her attitudes are somewhat complicated - she doesn't want to be seen as 'out', even though her classmates have no problems with the other lesbian couples. It felt realistic - people's behaviors towards their own sexuality can be complicated and even self-defeating! My overall feelings on Centaur's Worries are very mixed, but I really appreciated the way it didn't fit neatly into any one box.
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but then, here I am watchng darling in the franxx
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Feb 5, 2018 18:18
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Ranzear posted:It also looks an awful lot like Star Driver ... because it's the same guy. I don't see anyone listed besides 'character design' on Gad Guard though. From what I know it's the same designer for Gad Guard too. The guy's style is unmistakable, and frankly his work (especially the piercing eyes he does) heavily influenced my art over the years. Diabetes Forecast fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 18:27
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It's not an anime, but Shimaname Tasogare is really good, and really gay. This anime, on the other hand, seems to be signaling about as loudly as is possible that it is the opposite of gay. I don't think that anyone made a gif of the Dr. Franxx rear end slap, but that pretty much settled it, IMO. The other stuff is for the birds.
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Feb 5, 2018 18:38
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I mean I don't expect anything from this show but I don't think 'an old man was shown to creep on his female subordinate' is a show signaling it's gonna be all het all the time
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Feb 5, 2018 18:43
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I don't get exactly why this show has people praying for a gay pairing over anything else. Why this in particular? It's kinda weird.
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Feb 5, 2018 18:43
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It really needs any redeeming factor it can get
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Feb 5, 2018 18:44
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Sarcophallus posted:I will delightfully toxx my account if there is even a smidgen of explicit homosexuality in this show. I have no idea how all of you are missing the central theme so incredibly hard. Someone quote my LGBT wish fulfillment post, it's relevant again. Look, I get the whole wish fulfillment thing, but Fuckin lmao if you gave me even odds $110 to win $100 that there was a same-sex pairing in the robots at some point in the series I'd take that in a heartbeat laughing all the way to the bank. The central theme of the show has been "status quo not working, need to do something drastic such as having a near useless not-official stamen to ride with the wild pistil" with partner mixups and different other concepts to follow.
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Feb 5, 2018 18:45
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Ibram Gaunt posted:I don't get exactly why this show has people praying for a gay pairing over anything else. Why this in particular? It's kinda weird. Because the entire setting is about enforced (symbolic) heterosexuality, so ‘where do gay people fit into this?’ is an obvious and interesting question.
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Ranzear posted:It also looks an awful lot like Star Driver ... because it's the same guy. I don't see anyone listed besides 'character design' on Gad Guard though. Diabetes Forecast posted:From what I know it's the same designer for Gad Guard too. The guy's style is unmistakable, and frankly his work (especially the piercing eyes he does) heavily influenced my art over the years. However it doesn't seem like he was involved in Gad Guard despite the resemblance, the credited mecha designers are Yoshikazu Miyao and Toshiharu Murata.
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Diabetes Forecast posted:From what I know it's the same designer for Gad Guard too. The guy's style is unmistakable, and frankly his work (especially the piercing eyes he does) heavily influenced my art over the years. Unless he worked under a pseudonym, he wasn't involved. The first credit I can find for him is actually Eureka Seven, so maybe Gad Guard influenced him.
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Chev posted:He's the guy behind Heroman's designs (both mecha and character) and also concept artist for Baymax from Disney's Big Hero 6. I've also got a book from him that's all drawings of girls splashed with bright yellow paint. Yeah I didn't think so just from images. The eyes are similar to FranXX (and not Star Driver barring one of the stupid episodes) but the overall design is way different. I want a Takayuki Yanase book so bad, but I know it's just full of Gundam trash instead of the Armored Core and Metal Gear kind of stuff.
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Darth Walrus posted:Because the entire setting is about enforced (symbolic) heterosexuality, so ‘where do gay people fit into this?’ is an obvious and interesting question. Also the anime community is full of gay people who want to watch cool animation but also don't want to watch something that goes out of its way to pretend they don't exist and are even (maybe) incompatible with the setting.
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AnacondaHL posted:
Pretty much, yeah. So far, on a basic premise level, we have 1) The APEs declaring every mech needs One Boy and One Girl to pilot. 2) APE being shown to be shady as hell. The two add up to at least leave some questions open. And with how IBO ended, it's not like it'd be making unprecedented plays for a mech anime.
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Feb 5, 2018 19:46
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I think people are trying to make some awfully categorical statements about a series that hasn't yet provided enough information to support such level of conviction. Can't people just wait and see? Cool, thanks.
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chiasaur11 posted:1) The APEs declaring every mech needs One Boy and One Girl to pilot. Did they? I thought only Dr. Franxx said it? And that he wasn't an APE given he's not included (so far as we know) in the shady meetings or wearing a similar outfit to them. Even then, I don't recall him saying that a mech needs a boy and a girl to pilot, only that the true power of a FranXX is released when a X and Y combine. chiasaur11 posted:And with how IBO ended, it's not like it'd be making unprecedented plays for a mech anime. There were gay and lesbian couples in mecha shows, including pilots, well before Iron Blood Orphans. The previously mentioned Godannar from 2003 being perhaps the most obvious example. Even recently Sunrise had Cross Ange, which was basically all about lesbian mech pilots. It's not like they're the first gay people in Gundam either, since Guin Sard Lineford from Turn-A is pretty obviously gay and that aired in 2000; IBO just had the first official gay couple in a Gundam show. Official being the operative word, because Quatre and Trowa came across as very gay in Wing, back in 1995 and fans have been assuming them as such for the two decades since. tsob fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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I think people may be overstating the basic premise here a bit. The shady government nonsense and all that is secondary to the focus on 02 and Darling's relationship. Like its even right there in the title of the show.
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It’s also intensified a bit by people coming off of Devilman, I think. I’m sure it shares a LOT of viewers because they’re on the more artsy side, and both are really “anime for anime-watchers” in the sense that they’re deeply entangled with the history of the medium and famous creators (or groups thereof), and Devilman is also very gay. But also, just—it was there, or at least looked like it could be there in episode 2. Everyone’s horniness in that one seemed much more ambiguous and undirected, like they couldn’t admit to themselves who they wanted to ride.
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Feb 5, 2018 20:05
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Darling in the FranXX is an artsy anime? Don't get me wrong, I'd classify all anime as art; I just think artsy is more specific and not really descriptive of Darling in the FranXX, which seems more straight forward in it's intentions and presentation than artsy would suggest.
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Feb 5, 2018 20:10
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Darling in the FranXX isn't horny enough to be art film/television.
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Feb 5, 2018 20:16
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If FLCL is then this is
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I wouldn't say so. FLCL tends to be a bit more oblique in it's presentation and it's animation is more stylized as well. It took chances by including stuff that might not have an obvious read. If I recall, FLCL has a section where it cuts to the main cast sat in a trailer like they're actors between takes on a set. I don't see Darling ever having something akin to that.
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I think you're confusing 'artsy' and 'avant garde'. FranXX is a rather run-of-the-mill mecha show right now, sex metaphors aside. There's no artsy commentary on any level of FLCL or even KLK except maybe towards the 'please pair up and survive' notions pushed onto Japan's younger generations as their population growth has begun to reverse even harder.
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Raxivace posted:I think people may be overstating the basic premise here a bit. The shady government nonsense and all that is secondary to the focus on 02 and Darling's relationship. Like its even right there in the title of the show. This show is not going two cours looking at just their relationship. It's the main focus, but stuff will happen around it. Like, I am in no way whatsoever an LGBT seeker of justice or whatever, but I am a smart gambler. Looking at everything shown so far, even without the context of other series (e.g. I have no idea about anything in Gundam or other mecha shows), it is crazy to me that someone would do a  thinking something is heavily favored, when I'd probably even lay a -200 on a same sex piloting occurring. In other words, if they change nothing plantation 13 is hosed and all the characters die, which would be interesting but I don't think it's likely the story goes that route. 02 and Hiro can't stay there as bodyguards forever.
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AnacondaHL posted:This show is not going two cours looking at just their relationship. It's the main focus, but stuff will happen around it. Willing to toxx on it?
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Ranzear posted:I think you're confusing 'artsy' and 'avant garde'. I think there's more to it than that, tbh. I can easily see the 'generational conflict' element of the show going broader with what's been presented to us. There are very direct equivalents to the idea that the post-WWII generation strip-mined both the planet and the global economy to secure their own futures then pulled out, leaving a very insecure future for anyone born in the 90s onward. In some aspects this might be literal if the planet they're on is a blasted Earth and not Mars, but also in things like the "parasite" terminology for kids (shiftless lazy millennials!) and how "magma energy" is something that should theoretically be clean--it's geothermal right?--but also destructive and limited since it seems like they're literally drinking up the planet's core. e: the intense sexualization is also an aspect of this. The kids are simultaneously in unpaid internships, their lives and labor being sucked out of them for abstract promises and no direct material benefit to them, and are cast as essentially porn stars, sex objects to be used for the adults' own ends.
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The show does not need to gay pair to move along for 26 episodes. The first two Aquarions, apart from like one episode each, spent their two-cours pushing boys and girls together, and Aquarion doesn't even start with both a technological premise and an underlying metaphor about how boys and girls need each other. And there's already a het love triangle at the center of FranXX. I'm not saying this is what I personally think should happen, but the argument that they have to start doing gay pairs to sustain drama for 26 episodes is not a strong one. Lots of shows have done many more episodes with one het pair.
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Sarcophallus posted:Willing to toxx on it? Not for $0 in return, as stated I don't think this is better than -200. I'd bet 2 forums upgrades for 1 though.
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Caphi posted:The show does not need to gay pair to move along for 26 episodes. The first two Aquarions, apart from like one episode each, spent their two-cours pushing boys and girls together, and Aquarion doesn't even start with both a technological premise and an underlying metaphor about how boys and girls need each other. And there's already a het love triangle at the center of FranXX. It's less that it needs it and more that it felt like it was teasing it at points then pulled out
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Caphi posted:The show does not need to gay pair to move along for 26 episodes. The first two Aquarions, apart from like one episode each, spent their two-cours pushing boys and girls together, and Aquarion doesn't even start with both a technological premise and an underlying metaphor about how boys and girls need each other. And there's already a het love triangle at the center of FranXX. I think part of it is that FranXX has a far more up-front dystopian vibe than Aquarion, so we’re much more encouraged to question the core assumptions of the setting, and enforced heterosexuality is one of the biggest core assumptions.
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aquarion had single gender 3-ways pretty often, though evol changed that up and claimed mixed gender 3-ways were strictly superior. i don't think it's comparable to the hetero-bots.
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