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frankenfreak posted:Over the exhaust of Berlyn's car, no less! You might think "feuding over gas exhausts is a stupid thing" but believe me if there's one group of people who know how to use gas efficiently it's the Germans.
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C. Everett Koop posted:You might think "feuding over gas exhausts is a stupid thing" but believe me if there's one group of people who know how to use gas efficiently it's the Germans. Holy poo poo. 
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Well actually dieselgate proved the Germans are not very efficient about exhausts!
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It's all about availability. When wrestling is on TV in a region, it will be popular. It also helped that Turner was a big conglomerate, so they could easily sell their shows abroad or show them on a subsidiary. I'm sure there are a lot of eurokids from the 90s who grew up watching WCW every friday after Cartoon Networks timeshare for the day ended and the channel switched to TNT.
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Was the story around the WCW Australian Tour true, where they were so confident of success that they did a deal with the local arenas that they'd buy back any seats not sold in exchange for lower building rental prices. After WCW's only 3 sold-out shows of the year, the arenas came back asking for money because they blocked 1/4 of the seats in the building with stages & TurnerTrons? I've heard that for years, but I'm not sure if that actually happened.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Is that the one where the colour guy for the German language broadcast is a comedian who keeps challenging wrestlers to fights tbh I will take German Larry Zybysko over Mark Madden
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dsriggs posted:Was the story around the WCW Australian Tour true, where they were so confident of success that they did a deal with the local arenas that they'd buy back any seats not sold in exchange for lower building rental prices. After WCW's only 3 sold-out shows of the year, the arenas came back asking for money because they blocked 1/4 of the seats in the building with stages & TurnerTrons? 10/23/2000 WON posted:The Australian shows on 10/13 and 10/14 in Melbourne for Nitro and Thunder drew a sellout of about 10,000 the first night and about 8,500 the second night, probably at an average ticket price of $130 Australian so the sellouts in Sydney and Melbourne should be in the $650,000 to $700,000 range per night. WCW got a flat fee of $1.5 million, although there were last minute negotiations before the tour got under way last week with controversy because of how many seats were being blocked off at the arenas for television purposes and that not being able to sell those seats cut greatly into the profitability of the show for Paul Dainty, the Australian promoter of the tour.
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Adaptabullshit posted:It's all about availability. When wrestling is on TV in a region, it will be popular. As a Brit kid, the first wrestling I ever saw was WCW, I think Worldwide on Channel 5, at 7pm on Fridays. I got into it late, so here I was wondering why there was a new world champion every week, or why we were supposed to take Jeff Jarrett seriously if all he did was come out and hit people with cardboard guitars. Wrestling fandom later filled me in (  ), but I think it's fair to say I wouldn't be a wrestling fan if WCW didn't have that slot.The relative availability of TNA here (on a game show channel) likely explains that company's not-insignificant British fanbase too. Didn't they tour the UK a bunch of times as well?
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Ah, it was one of those game-of-telephone sort of things. Thanks!
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Adaptabullshit posted:I'm sure there are a lot of eurokids from the 90s who grew up watching WCW every friday after Cartoon Networks timeshare for the day ended and the channel switched to TNT. Hi! (I also watched NJPW on eurosport)
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Adaptabullshit posted:I'm sure there are a lot of eurokids from the 90s who grew up watching WCW every friday after Cartoon Networks timeshare for the day ended and the channel switched to TNT. This is me. It was very confusing learning that there was WCW and WWF/E, and that "wrestling" wasn't just one big thing. Also I never got to watch PPVs except later on sometimes Mania (which aired for free) so storylines made no sense at all since I never saw the blowoff to anything.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I got into it late, so here I was wondering why there was a new world champion every week, or why we were supposed to take Jeff Jarrett seriously if all he did was come out and hit people with cardboard guitars. Wondering why anyone would ever give a poo poo about Jarrett is the correct response, regardless of when you came into watching WCW. It never made any sense. *cue the "broke a thousand guitars..." clip*
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Some wrestlers who I liked as a kid and don't really care for now and there are some who I didn't think too much of as a kid, but appreciate now. But one I didn't like then and who I still can't stand to look at is Jeff Jarrett. I understand how he managed to stick around now, but when I was younger I couldn't wrap my head around how this guy kept coming back like a herpes flare up.
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I think if Jarrett stayed around the midcard forever he might be looked upon more fondly, since his schtick was a perfectly fine one for a chickenshit midcard heel, but his unfortunate main event pushes did nothing to endear him.
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Yeah, I always found him acceptable in WWF as the guy right around the Intercontinental level who could believably annoy Razor Ramon. But wow that guy should not been sniffing the World title anywhere
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BodyMassageMachine posted:I think if Jarrett stayed around the midcard forever he might be looked upon more fondly, since his schtick was a perfectly fine one for a chickenshit midcard heel, but his unfortunate main event pushes did nothing to endear him. He was fine in the ring and awful outside of the ring in his first WWF run, his first WCW run, the start of his first WWF run and then only got over because of a heavily misogynistic character and rarely had good matches. His WCW main event run sucked but what people forget is he was shunted down to the midcard after that and guess what... he sucked. It was probably the worst run of his career. So basically "Jeff Jarrett was a good midcarder" is based on a couple of funny TNA skits and a couple matches with guys like Shawn Michaels 25 years ago.
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Yeah but how do we know that Jeff Jarrett wasn't carrying those Shawn Michaels matches! Source: Jeff Jarrett
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Jeff Jarrett beat up a children's MMA class.
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Writer Cath posted:Jeff Jarrett beat up a children's MMA class. One of the best skits in wrestling history,
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MassRafTer posted:He was fine in the ring and awful outside of the ring in his first WWF run, his first WCW run, the start of his first WWF run and then only got over because of a heavily misogynistic character and rarely had good matches. His WCW main event run sucked but what people forget is he was shunted down to the midcard after that and guess what... he sucked. It was probably the worst run of his career. When does he get shunted down to WCW midcard after his last World Title reign? After his 30-40 World Title shots on TV?
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Shiki Dan posted:When does he get shunted down to WCW midcard after his last World Title reign? he never really makes it all the way down there, his frequent title shots end with the infamous San Francisco 49ers match which is about the same time that Vince Russo stepped away because of concussions even then, that's October, he's back in the title picture in December and main events his last PPV for WCW in January wrestling for the world title then WCW gets acquired 2 months later and its all moot because Jarrett gets publicly mocked by Vince on Raw and fired on the night of the last Nitro.
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Which wasn't for the obvious reason of him being bad, but for having the temerity of previously demanding of Vince he be paid for wrestling a match when he wasn't under contract
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What are some examples of guys who were "buried" early in their career who later overcame it and became successful? I mean besides Daniel Bryan? It is hard to imagine Bayley recovering after her really bad booking and I'm looking for some hope.
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watch a different promotion if you want hope
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I mean there are many WWE undercard dudes who went on to be successful elsewhere. EC3 was a grating comedy dude no one actually found funny, until he got juiced to the gills and became a thing that people seemed to unironically enjoy about TNA, for one
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jred250 posted:What are some examples of guys who were "buried" early in their career who later overcame it and became successful? I mean besides Daniel Bryan? It is hard to imagine Bayley recovering after her really bad booking and I'm looking for some hope. "Buried" is a little harsh and he was pegged as a future mega star from the beginning of his career, but Steve Austin was most definitely smashed over the head with the glass ceiling when Hogan and his pals came along in WCW. Billy Gunn and Road Dogg had to both overcome lovely gimmicks and non-stop jobbing for a year before being put together as the New Age Outlaws and given a push by Russo just to prove he could get anyone over. Bob Holly, in kinda, sorta the same way...he was never highly pushed but he got to stick around forever, get pushed to fair credibility in 2000 during the peak of the WWF and even main-event a few PPVs--not bad for a guy who started as "Sparky Plugg" who jobbed nonstop for almost 5 straight years. A more modern example would be Jinder Mahal, I guess. He was a total joke in 3MB. Shiki Dan fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Feb 7, 2018 |
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jred250 posted:What are some examples of guys who were "buried" early in their career who later overcame it and became successful? I mean besides Daniel Bryan? It is hard to imagine Bayley recovering after her really bad booking and I'm looking for some hope. I wouldn't say he was buried, per say, but Mick Foley was just a guy who took inhuman bumps for the first what, decade of his career?
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that should be the plot of the next wwe 2k game, you create your guy, it shows a quick succession of them doing their moves on roman/orton/whatever and you hold up the big red chewing gum belt, then it shows you getting pinned. first by roman, then by, like baron corbin, then tye dillinger, then suddenly you're at the very bottom of the barrel. your first match is against goldust on main event. this is where you start playing, but its one of those levels where you're so underpowered you're actually supposed to lose. that's how we 1) get bayley as the cover athlete for wwe 2k19 and 2) fix the story mode to something compelling, like, fixing a wrestler that booking absolutely ruined. fixing something no one even wants to see. fixing bayley.
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That is more or less the story of the latest WWE game actually. You come up from NXT, you are immediately asked to lose. And lose. And lose. You are subsequently released because no one cares about a loser (then go to the other brand because that wouldn't make much of a game).
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jred250 posted:What are some examples of guys who were "buried" early in their career who later overcame it and became successful? I mean besides Daniel Bryan? It is hard to imagine Bayley recovering after her really bad booking and I'm looking for some hope. Mark Henry was hired with a multi-million dollar 10-year contract due to being an Olympic athlete who looked like he had "gold medal" written all over him. Instead, he injured himself at the Olympics and it became apparent early on in his wrestling career that he was a gigantic waste of money. Being a complete afterthought once the Attitude Era kicked in, the company kept trying to bury and humiliate him at every turn, hoping that he'd do them a solid and quit. They even sent him back to OVW, where he lost a shitload of weight, only to be asked to regain the weight in order to take part in a strong man competition. Henry didn't really gain any traction until 2008 and didn't stand out until 2011.
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DONT TOUCH THE PC posted:Hi! I was a bit too young to watch, but I remember the timeline of pan-european satellite wrestling (with english commentary) being (I grew up in the Nordics, so this is based on the channels that were available then) WWF (SKY, later Eurosport) -> NJPW (ring warriors) (Eurosport) -> UWFi (Bushido) (Eurosport) -> WCW (Cartoon Network/TNT). You could see WWF and WCW in German, if you had DSF. I do remember Eurosport later showing TNA and NJPW with their own abysmal commentary. The last wrestling I remember was WWE and TNA with local commentators.
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C. Everett Koop posted:I wouldn't say he was buried, per say, but Mick Foley was just a guy who took inhuman bumps for the first what, decade of his career? Hell, didn't he take that bump with Vader on the ramp in WCW in the hopes of being so badly injured he could just take the insurance money and retire since his career wasn't going anywhere?
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The Hardys were actual jobbers in the WWF before finally gaining traction.
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Adaptabullshit posted:I was a bit too young to watch, but I remember the timeline of pan-european satellite wrestling (with english commentary) being (I grew up in the Nordics, so this is based on the channels that were available then)
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jred250 posted:What are some examples of guys who were "buried" early in their career who later overcame it and became successful? I mean besides Daniel Bryan? I would like to ask the inverse of this, with Harley Race in the place of Daniel Bryan.
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Who are, to you, some guys who never had good success and no one ever found out about them and they died?
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Cavauro posted:Who are, to you, some guys who never had good success and no one ever found out about them and they died? Brad Armstrong. What? He's still alive?! Huh, OK then. Karmine posted:I would like to ask the inverse of this, with Harley Race in the place of Daniel Bryan. Tito Santana would be a minor example, I'd say.
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Karmine posted:I would like to ask the inverse of this, with Harley Race in the place of Daniel Bryan. Cavauro posted:Who are, to you, some guys who never had good success and no one ever found out about them and they died? I know you're kidding, but Zenk? Idunno, even guys like Mike Sharpe have some wrestling nerds who fondly remember them. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Feb 7, 2018 |
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Gaz-L posted:Brad Armstrong. No, he's dead.
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poo poo, I got him and Scott confused. 
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