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Rirse posted:Why you guys make a big deal about that post. I mean it a lot better then just sticking a bunch of roms in the SNES Classic I mean, but I just don't see the appeal outside of someone getting into retro gaming and wanting to skip the modding and RGB cables. Sorry dude, not trying to call you out specifically. It's a valid opinion for a lot of people, but this device is definitely a product for a specific type of people who expect a level of accuracy. The SNES mini is fine for people that want Plug and Play, a RetroPi is perfect for someone who wants a cost-effective way to play roms on the TV, etc. I have a SNES with an RGB-Trinitron set up and I love it, but I'm still tempted by this Super NT just out of principal.
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Rirse posted:Why you guys make a big deal about that post. I mean it a lot better then just sticking a bunch of roms in the SNES Classic I mean, but I just don't see the appeal outside of someone getting into retro gaming and wanting to skip the modding and RGB cables. 
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Not a Children posted:Can someone explain to me how Nintendo hasn't cease-and-desisted the NT products into oblivion? Obviously they're not making money off of that hardware anymore, but shouldn't they hold patents on the connectors/processes that they'd want/need to defend? Nintendo had an exclusivity period of the design and (parts of) the implementation of the SNES for ~20ish years. The hardware is no longer being manufactured and technologically obsolete, but it's a system that people still like so now "the public" is making bug-compatible hardware reimplementations to cater to a niche market. There's nothing Nintendo can, or should, do to stop it. Some SNES games would soon too be entering the public domain if it weren't for the insane extensions on Copyright.
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Feb 8, 2018 02:09
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FYI Byuu is melting about the analogue Super NT if anyone is interested.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:FYI Byuu is melting about the analogue Super NT if anyone is interested. Must be frustrating for someone like that who has devoted so much of their time to accurate software emulation. e: I think it needs to be stressed that FPGAs aren't magic and Kevtris is just a genius. Software emulation has the potential to be extremely accurate as well in the right hands. Pegnose Pete fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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Uncle at Nintendo posted:Then how did the Dendy exist?
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:FYI Byuu is melting about the analogue Super NT if anyone is interested. All I'm seeing on Twitter is they're kinda mad that the Super NT is being marketed as "None of that emulation bullshit in here!" I can see why that might get your blood up if you'd dedicated years to a cycle accurate SNES emulator for no commercial gain.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:FYI Byuu is melting about the analogue Super NT if anyone is interested. he's kind of right about the way the thing is being marketed and reviewed, and this is coming from someone who has had serious problems with things byuu has said and done in the past. he Knows His poo poo.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:FYI Byuu is melting about the analogue Super NT if anyone is interested.
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Well they don't want the NT being mixed in with the likes of the retron 5 and other garbage. I don't think anyone is suggesting that there's some other way to play snes games on a pc that doesn't require an emulator. They're two different things. Emulators are great, but not so much for someone who wants real snes carts on a TV. Also I don't know if it's just me but every feed I've seen of the Analog Nt snes has shown a picture quality that looks absolutely incredible. I just ordered one and I'll be happy to give a spergy review here.
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The 50$ international shipping pushes this just out of the range of an impulse purchase for me. If Kevtris announces the jailbreak soon for rom support, and something like a Genesis/Megadrive core and the other older 8 bit cores, it would be pretty hard to resist. Coming from someone who already owns an SD2SNES.
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ExcessBLarg! posted:
What are you even talking about? Even in the late 19th century, copyright lasted for 50 years from the author's death, or 50 years from creation for works produced by companies such as, say, a newspaper or anthology book. Under such rules, even Computer Space wouldn't be public domain until 2021 if it had been properly copyrighted at time of creation, and the first Channel F and Atari 2600 cartridge games wouldn't come up til 2026 and 2027 at the earliest. And you wouldn't see any SNES games in the public domain until 2040 at the earliest. Today, the copyright terms are 70 years from death or 95 years from publication for corporate works (120 years from creation instead, if it was something first published more than 25 years after it was created, which would be an odd situation)
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here's a cool interview with the guy who runs capcom about the company's history. some amazing (but sadly short) footage of what looks like mid 80's Japanese arcades if you want to see table style cabs in their heyday https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/vod/directtalk/2058284/ e: 
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:FYI Byuu is melting about the analogue Super NT if anyone is interested. Hmm, that's funny/sad, since I was thinking yesterday that Byuu beating the drum about accuracy for so long maybe helped (in some weird quirk of the universe way) to make something like the Super NT be realized. Heck, I've long thought that he should look into getting his work in hardware form. Pegnose Pete posted:Must be frustrating for someone like that who has devoted so much of their time to accurate software emulation. It's not like the Super NT takes away from the work he's done on higan or renders it invalid and useless, though. The "why" behind his attitude is kind of irrelevant to me; I think he's just feeling overlooked and like some of the community adoration that was supposed to be due him has been stolen by a bunch of slick marketing folks. But it's not as if byuu's emulator or the Super NT are in direct competition with each other. If anything, there's a harmony to both, and I think it's pretty safe to say that the Super NT could be a good starting point for all of that preservation stuff that byuu claims to be about, anyway. Uncle at Nintendo posted:Well they don't want the NT being mixed in with the likes of the retron 5 and other garbage. I don't think anyone is suggesting that there's some other way to play snes games on a pc that doesn't require an emulator. They're two different things. Emulators are great, but not so much for someone who wants real snes carts on a TV. Yeah, this is a good point. How many burns has the community had, first with SOAC stuff, then with the Retron being a glorified emulator box? In the short term, it might seem gauche for Analogue to be distancing itself from emulation in this manner, but in the long run, will it really matter?
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falz posted:Has kevtris made a Genesis core? If so perhaps they could just make a physical pinout cart adapter if the fpga in that thing suffices. Hard to say with all of the blast no processing required. He's said no in interviews, but you have to assume Analogue is working on Genesis and maybe even PCE.
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fishmech posted:What are you even talking about? There's some utility in comparing the two forms of IP and how they've respectively have (or haven't) promoted public benefit.
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Kthulhu5000 posted:Hmm, that's funny/sad, since I was thinking yesterday that Byuu beating the drum about accuracy for so long maybe helped (in some weird quirk of the universe way) to make something like the Super NT be realized. Heck, I've long thought that he should look into getting his work in hardware form. The Actual Article That You Didn't Read posted:Furthermore, I consider its lead developer, Kevin Horton, a friend. We work together and share information. I'm in the credits on the Super Nt device for a reason: emulation is built on the shoulders of giants. The Super Nt is possible in part by higan, which was possible in part by Snes9X, etc. And indeed, the relationship is mutually beneficial: findings from Kevin have already made their way into higan.
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Kthulhu5000 posted:then with the Retron being a glorified emulator box? if you read byuu's blog posts about the situation, it's really phrasing like this that he has a problem with, on the part of analogue, polygon, other reviewers, and general people in the hobby. I'm guilty of it myself. It's the whole concept that software emulation is automatically "lesser than". his point is that the problem with the retron is not that it's emulation, it's that it's bad emulation, and there's a distinction there.
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:Hashtag lifegoals I looked at your Dreamcast, and it's not powered on. What is happening?!
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:I looked at your Dreamcast, and it's not powered on. What is happening?! looks like it's running on the Gamecube 
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quote:Licensed by NINTENDO I stole the picture from reddit. Apparently they make those TVs new nowadays, about $2500/each.
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Since it's been mentioned a few times, I thought I'd ask: is there any reason I shouldn't buy a Dendy? I've wanted one for ages and I could afford one at the moment, unless it's going to burn my house down or something
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:looks like it's running on the Gamecube Right but he said hashtag life goals so tell me who’s confused
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What I am saying: It is because of PSO that I bought a Dreamcast Keyboard, which was the penetrating factor for Typing Of The Dead down the line.
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ExcessBLarg! posted:Patent and Copyright laws originally had comparable lengths of protection (14 years in the US, with Copyrights eligible for a 14 year extension). Over time the length of Copyright protection has increased dramatically while patents have stayed relatively the same. That was very very long ago, the 14 and 14 was the law in loving 1790, and which was essentially re-affirming existing copyright law of 1710 from Britain. It also explicitly did not protect anything by foreigners, and only protected books and maps. This would never have applied to video games. By 1831, the copyright term was already 28+14 (so 42 years, and you still couldn't get Channel F or Atari 2600 games). 1909 makes it 28+28 (broadly bringing things in line with the European-accepted Berne Convention's terms). 1976 brings it up to the by then most developed country accepted Berne Convention and a bit more with 50 from death/75 from creation for corporate works. There was effectively no national copyright before 1790 either, so why not make your argument on the basis of "copyright didn't exist" then? Code Jockey posted:Since it's been mentioned a few times, I thought I'd ask: is there any reason I shouldn't buy a Dendy? I've wanted one for ages and I could afford one at the moment, unless it's going to burn my house down or something The original Dendy console was SECAM only, so if you don't have a SECAM supporting TV it won't give you color. There were further PAL models which are much easier to get a TV that works for it, but that'll still be an issue in the US etc. fishmech fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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d0s posted:if you read byuu's blog posts about the situation, it's really phrasing like this that he has a problem with, on the part of analogue, polygon, other reviewers, and general people in the hobby. I'm guilty of it myself. It's the whole concept that software emulation is automatically "lesser than". his point is that the problem with the retron is not that it's emulation, it's that it's bad emulation, and there's a distinction there. Yeah, byuu even mentions that kevtris is a friend and he thanks byuu on the NT’s acknowledgments page. And kevtris himself says something to the effect of “there’s good emulation and bad emulation” in the recent RetroRGB interview.
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It still strikes me as byuu making an unnecessary mountain out of a molehill. d0s posted:if you read byuu's blog posts about the situation, it's really phrasing like this that he has a problem with, on the part of analogue, polygon, other reviewers, and general people in the hobby. I'm guilty of it myself. It's the whole concept that software emulation is automatically "lesser than". his point is that the problem with the retron is not that it's emulation, it's that it's bad emulation, and there's a distinction there. Sure, I get that. But it kind of strikes me as him trying to find some way to make something only tangentially related to what he's doing about him, somehow. Putting on a weird victim pose (though I think byuu kind of gets that, if their latest site update is any indication) over someone that is really fairly inconsequential. fishmech posted:The original Dendy console was SECAM only, so if you don't have a SECAM supporting TV it won't give you color. There were further PAL models which are much easier to get a TV that works for it, but that'll still be an issue in the US etc. Can't forget that Russia uses 220V power, too, so Code Jockey would need to use a voltage transformer if they wanted to have any chance of successfully using it in the US.
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Kthulhu5000 posted:It still strikes me as byuu making an unnecessary mountain out of a molehill. I mean, a bit, but I can see where he's coming from really.
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Kthulhu5000 posted:
It takes a 9 volt DC supply to the actual console, and it's not like you'd be able to stick the Russian power connector into your wall, so I didn't think it worth mentioning.  If I remember right it's the same very standard barrel plug size as you'd use for a Model 1 Genesis.
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fishmech posted:It takes a 9 volt DC supply to the actual console, and it's not like you'd be able to stick the Russian power connector into your wall, so I didn't think it worth mentioning. Could be, but I figured it was just one more nail of consideration to be hammered into the coffin of Code Jockey's Dendy dreams. EDIT: That all said, I know that some of Panasonic's monitors support SECAM (manufacturer PDF), for those who are fiscally masochistic enough to want to try it. Kthulhu5000 fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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Who cares about new consoles when there's plenty of  to be had   I've uh... done a thing.. and got a supergun  And I prompted to fry the 12V rail off the ATX connector along with the 1 watt -5V amp when I accidentally bridged +12V and -5V pins. Good thing I have an arcade PSU and the ATX header was at the end of the power chain because it still works  Anyways I got some other poo poo too because what good is a semi-busted supergun without games  A Capcom ZN-2 with Tech Romancer & Plasma Sword (mostly wanted the motherboard, intend to put TGM1 in it at some point) as well as a Capcom CPS2 which has Progear inside! I already have a CPS2 multi preordered so  
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Actual thought process: jesus christ is that on fire, no wait, was that on fire, no wait, AWWWW  I should get some sleep.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:yeah the key word there was shoddy SOAC solutions Actually, the FPGA is an FPGA. What you really mean is that Kevin's programming of the FPGA is producing a solution that is better than any other SOAC solution currently out.
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fishmech posted:The original Dendy console was SECAM only, so if you don't have a SECAM supporting TV it won't give you color. There were further PAL models which are much easier to get a TV that works for it, but that'll still be an issue in the US etc. Kthulhu5000 posted:Could be, but I figured it was just one more nail of consideration to be hammered into the coffin of Code Jockey's Dendy dreams. Thanks you two! I forgot the SECAM thing. Interesting. I'm seeing cheapo converters on Amazon that take PAL / SECAM into HDMI, but I'd really want to use it on my NTSC composite TV. Ah well, maybe if I get drunk some night and decide I want it for shelf decoration.
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Code Jockey posted:
Have you considered the penguin shaped famicom clone?
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flyboi posted:Who cares about new consoles when there's plenty of if possible can you do a full review of that supergun after you've had some time with it? I think you're the first goon to have one and I've been curious about it for a long time. it seems like an incredible good deal. e: I'm most curious about how well the auto brightness mode works e2: Kthulhu5000 posted:(though I think byuu kind of gets that, if their latest site update is any indication) I actually didn't see the FPGA article before he revised it so in all likelihood he probably was getting a leeetle too "personal" about it or something which yeah is something I've noticed from him in the past. I was defending his revised FPGA article and "what is emulation" article, not whatever he had there before d0s fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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I'm not sure how this analog nt works. Would I be able to add different filters to it if I don't like super HQX2 or whatever?
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Uncle at Nintendo posted:I'm not sure how this analog nt works. Would I be able to add different filters to it if I don't like super HQX2 or whatever?
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The Kins posted:They're built into the firmware and SD cards are currently only used for firmware upgrades. So, no. Well I mean is it technically possible? I need that sweet Sonic Mania filter badly
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