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chitoryu12 posted:When it comes to a collaborative effort like a film, I'm also loathe to try and erase it from history or retroactively condemn it because it's not a sole creation by one person. Roman Polanski was one of (according to IMDB) 41 actors and 84 crew members who put the film together. As terrible as he is, I'm sure the rest of the 125 people who worked on the film didn't assist him in his raping and deserve credit and recognition for their own contributions. That said, at least Chinatown might be defensible to "support" given that it predates Polanski being outed as a child rapist, since his collaborators might legitimately not have known. Assuming that you watching the movie doesn't put money into his pockets.
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I'm sure that there is a non-zero number of credited foleys and second unit grips who are rapists and pedophiles out there too, but in our current conventions for filmmaking we recognize certain individuals as more responsible for serving as the moral reflection of the project, for better or for worse.
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Feb 8, 2018 17:02
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Just watch Big Trouble in Little China instead. Forget it, Jack. It's the Hell Of The Upside Down Sinners.
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Feb 8, 2018 17:08
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That's an uh, interesting take on the Ansari incident https://www.avclub.com/thomas-middleditch-on-time-s-up-t-j-miller-and-the-e-1822751532
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Feb 8, 2018 17:24
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The problem is that ethical consumption is an ideological fantasy. Not patronizing films that were either made by sexual predators or made by individuals who went on to commit sexual assault is an intrinsically valid moral choice by the individual. But ethically we are forced to consider the entire apparatus of commercial film production, that boycotting a minority of known sexual predators fundamentally does nothing, and implicitly lets us off the hook for economically supporting individuals and organizations that are absolutely complicit in rape culture despite the absence of overt evidence. And we can extrapolate this to any number of other acts of injustice: animal cruelty, domestic abuse, racism, etc. Nobody is responsible for watching any particular film, or films at all. But the enterprise of critical engagement does demand a certain degree of conscientious participation. The film is its own defense - for everything else, there's criticism. Luckily, the network of film piracy offers the average person the capacity to both engage with film, while subverting the inherently unethical socioeconomic contexts of their production and distribution.
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Feb 8, 2018 17:49
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Presumption of sex predator for every rich, powerful man
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Feb 8, 2018 18:55
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K. Waste posted:I had a friend who once asked me if I thought Polanski's experiences during the Holocaust contributed to his pathology. My answer was, "Mate, there was rape before the Holocaust." Okay I appreciate the work and effort you put into your posts but this is really, really not a cool way to approach this.
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Feb 8, 2018 19:15
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El Gallinero Gros posted:That's an uh, interesting take on the Ansari incident quote:TM: People who know him, sure, we chat about it. But I think that’s the tricky thing with all this stuff. Speaking as a guy, as a man, as a male human, it’s kind of scary, with this fervor that’s surrounding it, where an allegation can just pop up and then it’s really incumbent upon you to fervently defend your character. I’m not gonna dive into what’s real or not. I’m just saying it’s a little bit scary. I mean, I thought the whole Aziz Ansari thing was kind of absurd. Like, there’s a difference between assault and just kind of strange sex. You don’t want to live in a world where it’s just so stiff that there’s no, I don’t know, something? I don’t know where I’m going with that, but I don’t really know enough about [the allegations against Miller] to comment on. Just don’t know about it, really. But it is tricky, you know. It’s weird. It’s like we live in a world where currently the climate, let’s say, is where a j’accuse will really turn your world upside down. that right there is a publicist who knows exactly how to do their job
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Feb 8, 2018 19:23
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DC Murderverse posted:that right there is a publicist who knows exactly how to do their job
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Feb 8, 2018 19:53
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Vegetable posted:Should have waddled in sooner, there's enough in there for somebody to weave a clickbait headline "Which Silicon Valley thinks all of these sexual assault accusations are "kind of scary"? It's not who you think!"
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Feb 8, 2018 19:58
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El Gallinero Gros posted:That's an uh, interesting take on the Ansari incident At this point in the conversation, if you don’t have a good answer to these questions it means you don’t care, have awful opinions, and/or have a guilty conscience.
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Feb 8, 2018 19:58
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I'm scared someone might accuse me and upend my world
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Feb 8, 2018 19:59
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It's like a male witch hunt, really. It's a warlock hunt.
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Feb 8, 2018 20:00
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i am the bird posted:At this point in the conversation, if you don’t have a good answer to these questions it means you don’t care, have awful opinions, and/or have a guilty conscience. Reduce the human population of the Earth to 144,000.
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Feb 8, 2018 20:01
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Is anyone else baffled by the (hollywood reporter) article that guy referenced to start that conversation, that because of MeToo and the Weinstein accusations, Hollywood might be too scared to do romance or sex in movies anymore? loving what?
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Feb 8, 2018 20:10
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Not Operator posted:Is anyone else baffled by the (hollywood reporter) article that guy referenced to start that conversation, that because of MeToo and the Weinstein accusations, Hollywood might be too scared to do romance or sex in movies anymore? I mean that's a pretty standard reaction to this kind of discussion--"Oh you want people to sign loving contracts every time they have sex?!" I hadn't heard that particular take though.
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Feb 8, 2018 20:15
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Vegetable posted:Should have waddled in sooner, there's enough in there for somebody to weave a clickbait headline Probably took to long trying to use hand signals and facial expressions to get him to shut up.
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Feb 8, 2018 21:23
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The sudden spectre or accusation of puritanism is an old reaction. This is a good response https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMfStd3v330 Not Operator posted:Is anyone else baffled by the (hollywood reporter) article that guy referenced to start that conversation, that because of MeToo and the Weinstein accusations, Hollywood might be too scared to do romance or sex in movies anymore? I thought we were already at that point. Cable TV made the idea of movies pushing that particular envelope obselete.
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Feb 8, 2018 23:04
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It's been a minute since I've seen a movie as lusty and raunchy as Outlander.
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Feb 8, 2018 23:26
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's been a minute since I've seen a movie as lusty and raunchy as Outlander. I'd been out of the TV loop for a few years when Spartacus hit the air. I was loving amazed at just how much sex and nudity they managed to get on that show. I mean, there was a sub plot involving a big dick, which the audience saw repeatedly.
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Feb 8, 2018 23:28
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There is a hell of a lot of loving and sucking in Spartacus and I don't even think it occurred to me that the gratuitous sex scene had basically disappeared from movies around this time.
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Feb 8, 2018 23:55
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:There is a hell of a lot of loving and sucking in Spartacus and I don't even think it occurred to me that the gratuitous sex scene had basically disappeared from movies around this time. This seems like some dumbshit Nancy Grace question, but: was it 9/11? The '90s -- and '80s, kinda -- were fuuuulll of gratuitous sex scenes. What stopped that?
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Feb 9, 2018 00:00
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LesterGroans posted:This seems like some dumbshit Nancy Grace question, but: was it 9/11? Cable TV. While the movie industry dared to show a little more nipple, HBO, and later Starz, could just do whatever the gently caress they wanted. Sopranos was filled with amazingly gratuitous sex. It wasn't especially graphic, but they had so much of it, none of it ever related to the plot. And Oz had a heap of dicks before that. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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Feb 9, 2018 00:08
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Wasn't there also a thing in the 90s where movies like Sliver and Basic Instinct were pushing the established boundaries of "R" and into "X", so they created "NC-17" to try and avoid the stigma but it didn't work and everyone just became scared of getting the NC-17 label because now it looked like porn?
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Feb 9, 2018 01:02
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There was also the mass anti-smoking thing Hollywood did starting in the 90s, where only people who are "villains or European" could smoke cigarettes. Which of course just resulted in every smaller director making everyone a smoker to prove a point (see: Hal Hartley). e: NC-17 was created for Henry and June because the MPAA found the lesbian scenes disturbing
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Feb 9, 2018 01:31
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precision posted:There was also the mass anti-smoking thing Hollywood did starting in the 90s, where only people who are "villains or European" could smoke cigarettes. Which of course just resulted in every smaller director making everyone a smoker to prove a point (see: Hal Hartley). Is that kind of like how every prestige TV show has a scene of women peeing? Because it was taboo for so very long?
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Feb 9, 2018 01:33
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I only remember becoming aware of NC-17 when Bruce Willis made that naughty movie where he showed his dick and had sex with a transgendered girl or something and everyone freaked the gently caress out that John McClane was doing porn.
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Feb 9, 2018 01:34
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Snowman_McK posted:Is that kind of like how every prestige TV show has a scene of women peeing? Because it was taboo for so very long? I don't know but I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that trend.
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Feb 9, 2018 01:40
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The MPAA originally gave But I'm a Cheerleader an NC-17 rating which LOL
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Feb 9, 2018 01:48
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That doesn't even have any nudity! I remember because I watched the whole thing late at night as a teenager after reading the plot synopsis on the cable box screen, sure there would be some good nudity!
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esperterra posted:The MPAA originally gave But I'm a Cheerleader an NC-17 rating which LOL Haha wow.
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Feb 9, 2018 01:55
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Highly recommend watching This Film is not yet Rated, they talk about it
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precision posted:I don't know but I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that trend. Orange is the New Black, Vikings, Sense8, GLOW, Love, Fargo, Mad Men...there's definitely a trend. gently caress, sometimes there's even a plot point around it.
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Snowman_McK posted:Orange is the New Black, Vikings, Sense8, GLOW, Love, Fargo, Mad Men...there's definitely a trend. gently caress, sometimes there's even a plot point around it. also noteworthy, a lot of people in hollywood are fetishy sex creeps we might be entering into somebody's enchanted piss forest when those scenes come up, not witnessing a taboo being broken
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Half the time the women just let their dress or skirt just flop all over the toilet and I'm always like "gross". No matter how clean a toilet is, why tempt fate? Same with scenes where someone pukes in a dirty toilet and hangs on to the sides when there's a sink right there
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Feb 9, 2018 03:37
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precision posted:Half the time the women just let their dress or skirt just flop all over the toilet and I'm always like "gross". No matter how clean a toilet is, why tempt fate? Same with scenes where someone pukes in a dirty toilet and hangs on to the sides when there's a sink right there You don't want to puke into a sink, goddamn.
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Feb 9, 2018 03:57
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precision posted:Half the time the women just let their dress or skirt just flop all over the toilet and I'm always like "gross". No matter how clean a toilet is, why tempt fate? Same with scenes where someone pukes in a dirty toilet and hangs on to the sides when there's a sink right there Spoken like someone who's never had to pick semi-solid bits of their puke out of the sink while hungover!
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Inescapable Duck posted:You don't want to puke into a sink, goddamn. Personally, I squat over the sink when taking a poo poo, lest my virgin asscheeks graze the toilet bowl. I mean, doesn't everyone???
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Feb 9, 2018 03:59
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I've puked in lots of sinks, I'd rather clean up after. Plus a lot of those scenes are people in public bathrooms
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PT6A posted:Personally, I squat over the sink when taking a poo poo, lest my virgin asscheeks graze the toilet bowl. I literally don't know a single woman who lets their clothing drape over a toilet, if you're trying to imply I'm some kind of bizarre germ phobe.
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