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Gazpacho posted:does anyone actually run unix multiuser anymore? our ERP software runs on a Linux system. a couple hundred people or so typically access it by firing up Putty and SSHing into the Linux system.
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wayland refuses to let any graphical app run as root. This is by design and there’s no way around it or to turn it off. 
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ratbert90 posted:wayland refuses to let any graphical app run as root. This is by design and there’s no way around it or to turn it off. this is correct in all senses of the word
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Suspicious Dish posted:this is correct in all senses of the word There are plenty of reasons to run some apps as root. gparted is the first that comes to mind. or doing a quick “sudo gedit” won’t work anymore. FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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ratbert90 posted:wayland refuses to let any graphical app run as root. This is by design and there’s no way around it or to turn it off. how do things like gparted or synaptic run?
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ratbert90 posted:wayland refuses to let any graphical app run as root. This is by design and there’s no way around it or to turn it off. good
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Poopernickel posted:how do things like gparted or synaptic run? They don’t.
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ratbert90 posted:There are plenty of reasons to run some apps as root. no, no, gently caress you, no gparted should work by calling on other services that have the necessary privileges to manipulate the geometry of a specific disk, and only that the code implementing the scroll bars and tool tips and buttons in the gparted window should have no ability to touch a disk or do anything else as root capability based security with separation of privileges, it’s not just a good idea
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gnome disks is a non-privileged gui that talks to the privileged udisks service to do its thing
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ratbert90 posted:or doing a quick “sudo gedit” won’t work anymore. remember when doing this would take root ownership of the desktop d-bus socket or something and everything would instantly hang. good times.
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Sapozhnik posted:gnome disks is a non-privileged gui that talks to the privileged udisks service to do its thing I get that, but I am lazy and stuck in my ways and want to use gparted.  Also, I found out that only apps written for Wayland have no workaround. Typing: "xhost +local:" before running sudo will allow an app written for xorg to run with sudo privileges.
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Gparted seems to run on Fedora 27 with Wayland just fine so idk what to tell you.
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thebigcow posted:Gparted seems to run on Fedora 27 with Wayland just fine so idk what to tell you. Did you update or are you running a clean install?
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ratbert90 posted:There are plenty of reasons to run some apps as root. “sudo gedit “ should pop up a message asking if you meant “sudo vi”
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with these innovations i am sure the year of linux on the desktop is just around the corner also need to drive idiots like this out of the community so more focus can be placed on the sanctity of root: https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/1vyfmNCYpi5
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Lory Nefti posted:I love your rants Mr.Torvalds, especially the "please just kill yourself now" and the compiler masturbation one.
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thebigcow posted:Started as Fedora 25 More than likely you are running x and not wayland.
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flatpak is pretty cool and this fedora atomic workstation thing seems to be developing nicely around it gonna need a better solution for using it as a dev machine than "run oc cluster up to spawn a half-dozen docker containers running kubernetes on your system" though. something that let you create a heavy container with a traditional rpm-based fedora install that you could open a shell into would be nice.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:with these innovations i am sure the year of linux on the desktop is just around the corner of course linus uses g+, probably the first person i've ever seen actually use it.
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linus doesn't understand why changing the time/timezone requires a system password? lol. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Kerberos-Infrastructure-HOWTO/time-sync.html
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the point is that a users personal laptop is very different from other usecases, and root/admin accounts should on user machines only be a matter of protecting the user from *accidentally* doing something bad to their machine (e.g. elevation prompts for running some random thing off of the web) so both changing the time and more advanced things like handling a new disk or being able to edit a system file with gedit, if that is ones preference, are certainly in scope for things to make reasonably easy plus, not least, local elevation security is so frequently broken anyway that imposing any hardships on users to maintain it is more theatre than good policy
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I'd love it if sudo simply gave you higher permissions but unless you append a "-" to the end of your command line it will set up a brand new environment, homedir, etc. which makes it very hard to just use sudo for simple elevation. If you run "sudo gedit -" I believe it works but I forget the exact incantation you need for that. The reason that "sudo gedit" doesn't work in Wayland is that "sudo" works drastically differently than how users think it does.
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Suspicious Dish posted:I'd love it if sudo simply gave you higher permissions but unless you append a "-" to the end of your command line it will set up a brand new environment, homedir, etc. which makes it very hard to just use sudo for simple elevation. If you run "sudo gedit -" I believe it works but I forget the exact incantation you need for that. The reason that "sudo gedit" doesn't work in Wayland is that "sudo" works drastically differently than how users think it does. idk why i do it this way but i usually sudo su - jenkems when i gotta be jenkins for a while
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If only there was a way for an authorization service to tell if the principal initiating an action is a human being who is physically present in front of the computer
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Sapozhnik posted:If only there was a way for an authorization service to tell if the principal initiating an action is a human being who is physically present in front of the computer they do this with the automatic package installer thing in gnome. one of the problems is that it doesn't work over ssh
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I watched a demonstration of Qubes OS once where the presenter proudly showed that they were able to download and read a PDF file with only 14 clicks and launching 4 different VMs. It was one of the most unintentionally hilarious things I've ever seen. The whole system was just so enormously user hostile, yet the presenter was completely oblivious to this fact because it scratch some very deep sperg itch in just the right way.
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What I'm saying is that I'm a terrible person who goes to Linux conferences to anonymously kink shame Qubes users on dying internet comedy forums.
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ratbert90 posted:Also, I found out that only apps written for Wayland have no workaround. such as (not being sarcastic, is there someone out there ignoring X already?)
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moonshine is...... posted:of course linus uses g+, probably the first person i've ever seen actually use it. to be fair that post is from 6 years ago
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Suspicious Dish posted:linus doesn't understand why changing the time/timezone requires a system password? lol. changing the time should probably need root. changing the timezone shouldn't
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Ubuntu's former community manager namedropped me in a podcast interview last night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_d3abl9Lf8&t=3207sJono Bacon posted:There are people who are critical of something, and I think that's fine. That's absolutely fine. RIP Unity.
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moonshine is...... posted:of course linus uses g+, probably the first person i've ever seen actually use it. a few work buddies at lastjob were big on g+. i think they mostly just use it to share memes though.
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ShadowHawk posted:Ubuntu's former community manager namedropped me in a podcast interview last night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_d3abl9Lf8&t=3207s it was a real POS
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ShadowHawk posted:Ubuntu's former community manager namedropped me in a podcast interview last night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_d3abl9Lf8&t=3207s jono bacon is really not a good community manager. which is why he's now a branding consultant or something
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Suspicious Dish posted:jono bacon is really not a good community manager. which is why he's now a branding consultant or something Wrote an O'Reilly book called "The Art of Community"
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ShadowHawk posted:Ubuntu's former community manager namedropped me in a podcast interview last night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_d3abl9Lf8&t=3207s
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carry on then posted:my university had multiuser solaris systems with thin clients I had a similar setup at high school except ours were named after stars Sun Rays were pretty cool and so was ZFS but Solaris was kind of a pain to deal with otherwise. Notorious b.s.d. posted:the sun rays are really, really good, but only if they are hosted on solaris We tried it on debian and it worked OK but Solaris worked a lot better.
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Sapozhnik posted:flatpak is pretty cool no it’s not, it’s a terrible compromise because Linux distributions refused to reasonably version their APIs or make binary-compatibility guarantees if you could build against a Fedora 27 SDK and use Fedora 26 & 27 features and get weak-linking behavior when your code runs on Fedora 25, that would be far, far better that of course requires that Fedora 25-27 actually loving think about API versioning as a whole, as well as make upstream project developers think about it
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