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LORD OF BOOTY posted:except they're nazi skinheads that might very well be inhabited by sweet old abuelas. Is it worse to be a member of the master race forced to inhabit a lesser body, or for a nice Mexican lady to take over the drug addled and ruined monument to supremacy you call a sleeve? Fututor Magnus posted:that i honestly never understood, what's the point of even being a racialist in that future where the most masculine aryan physique can contain the mind and personality of, say, a black muslim woman. If Catholics are jumping through hoops to insist that stacks are the work of Satan, there's definitely going to be other groups doubling down on their own philosophy. Gyges fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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Rinkles posted:-----Rei's-- frenzied reaction to the prospect of being put back on ice made me think it was particularly unpleasant. my guess is that if your consciousness is in hibernation for 2 centuries, you would basically lose all you own and be awoken in a time you have no connection to, which seems punishment enough. and rei's established a lot for herself that she wanted to share with her brother, so it makes sense that since tak wants none of it she'd rather die then and there rather then serve a 2 century sentence and start over again with nothing, not even tak.
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thetechnoloser posted:They do go into a *little* more detail, and no, they do not remain conscious. In episode 1 they the little girl the adult woman’s body was crying and shouting “mommy no don’t let them put me back there” or something very similar at the prospect of being put back on ice for another body.
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Proteus Jones posted:tbf in the book it's not child. It's small statured woman of around 20, if I recall correctly. I haven't done a full re-read, but I had to recently look up the passage for someone else. It’s chapter thirteen. The wording is “a woman’s body, young, no more than twenty years old” Older than I remembered, but still Roy Moore’s type.
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Gyges posted:If Catholics are jumping through hoops to insist that stacks are the work of Satan, there's definitely going to be other groups doubling down on their own philosophy. thw catholic stuff makes a lot more sense than nazism, now that you have immortality and "souls" there's a clear vector where catholics can apply their ideology. what can nazis do? what part of one's DHF defines the race, anyway? racial supremacy makes little sense. i can accept that nazis exist even in 2600s because there will always be angry and stupid people, but the ideology itself must have changed a fair bit to accommodate the fact that race is, in a sense, no longer with the same meaning. and aren't there several planets colonized by humans who would also be of all races and would probably me mixed as hell in an incredibly multiracial and multicultural future? amongst who, even, would nazi ideology catch? anyway, i won't complain anymore because nazi abuela is the best.
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TBF, the skinhead doesn't make a whole lot of sense mostly because, 500 years out, who knows if any of the symbology he's tattooed with even has an impact or importance. The only reason I could think of is largely because he's easily identifiable as an antisocial scumbag for modern day audiences instead of inventing some new 26th century equivalent of racial supremacy.
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Young Freud posted:TBF, the skinhead doesn't make a whole lot of sense mostly because, 500 years out, who knows if any of the symbology he's tattooed with even has an impact or importance. Yeah, it’s a little bit of after-the-fact “huh, that’s odd” in exchange for some great visual shorthand that also makes for a hilarious scene.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Yeah, it’s a little bit of after-the-fact “huh, that’s odd” in exchange for some great visual shorthand that also makes for a hilarious scene. true, the sleeve could just be a generic gangster but it wouldn't be as awesome as sweet hispanic abuela in the body of a nazi criminal. speaking of which, do people undergo any serious personality changes because of the body they're in being a different physical sex? if they're in a body producing different hormones etc. than those which they were born with, there'd be some effect on the stack itself i imagine? Fututor Magnus fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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There’s an embedded SoundCloud thing with the More Human than Human cover here, for that guy that was looking for it: http://www.brooklynvegan.com/raveonettes-sune-rose-wagner-covers-white-zombie-for-netflixs-series-altered-carbon-listen/ (I hate Brooklyn vegan, but this is the only place that has it. ) The soundtrack is released tomorrow, so hopefully it goes up on Spotify.
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pile of brown posted:Not really a spoiler but stacks being Martian technology really fucks with a plot point from a later book, although now that I type this they hosed with that book in a more significant way already. How so? I've read the sequels and I don't know what you're referencing. Gyges posted:His entire plan is to save his sister by using the available tech to give her a couple centuries time out, forcing her to once again be "normal". The overriding push of the show is that the tech isn't actually a problem, it's money and power that corrupt. The Meths are bad not because they're immortal, it's because they're immoral. "Slightly", because I meant his backstory, where they made the Quellists anti-immortality.
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This was a really solid show. Some of the deviations taken from the book were good, like making Rei his sister had more impact than a former boss. Some of the deviations were bad, like the way they treated the envoys. The whole rebellion plotline was just not good. In the books they are a legal secret police force which was ultimately fine, I don't know why they hosed with that. Also every monologue was bad. I was reminded of the Blade Runner cut with the monologues, which ruined the dramatic flow of the scenes.
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The one thing I like about stacks being Elder-based is that it excuses a bunch of the stuff that would annoy me otherwise. If stacks themselves are ancient alien woo tech it implies everything derived from them is too. This makes it easier for me to buy some Envoy ~special powers~ especially because they learned them from the person that developed the tech. Like breaking out of VR; Quell might have an understanding of a fundamental component that hasn't been well examined even 250 years later. Same reason Rawlings still works. A computer virus that is at least 250 years old is still weapons grade, which only makes sense if human technology -- or at least certain strands of it -- haven't developed much because they're based on a framework still half-understood. I read the books but I can't for the life of me remember what happens in 2 and 3. It's weird. I think I found Market Forces so heinous that it was a net negative and deleted some other books from my brain.
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Fututor Magnus posted:i never read the book, so i can't judge too much on that conception of the technology, thematically it makes sense, a mundane tecnology conceived by human minds capable of so much. The problem is it's the most generic and boring cliche thing in sci-fi to say "we got it all off the aliens, we stupid monkeys barely understand it". Having something as fascinating as Stacks be an entirely human technology says far more about how we have developed as a species. That we HAVE found the answers. Bugger still being humble about ignorance in the 2600's. It's meant to be a mundane technology because it creates interesting vignettes and perspectives on how other things have changed. Homicide is now Organic Damage. Your dad came home from war as a white guy. This is where the books shine. The series kist keeps chasing its own tail at "stacks exist. Good/Bad?!!!". NmareBfly posted:The one thing I like about stacks being Elder-based is that it excuses a bunch of the stuff that would annoy me otherwise. Tak's protectorate rant happens INSIDE VR to get them to pull him out. The rest is neurachem cybernetics. Neddy Seagoon fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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Kids seem like an interesting issue when mom or dad get resleeved. Do they just use some of their original sleeve's DNA to make kids or do they just roll with the DNA of the new sleeve. Like the couple that make a living of fighting each other to the death, are their kids just completely genetically unrelated?Fututor Magnus posted:thw catholic stuff makes a lot more sense than nazism, now that you have immortality and "souls" there's a clear vector where catholics can apply their ideology. what can nazis do? what part of one's DHF defines the race, anyway? racial supremacy makes little sense. i can accept that nazis exist even in 2600s because there will always be angry and stupid people, but the ideology itself must have changed a fair bit to accommodate the fact that race is, in a sense, no longer with the same meaning. The Catholic stuff makes surface sense, but falls apart faster than the continued existence of nazis. Catholics are one of the more science embracing factions of Christianity, and while you can certainly argue that stacks contain the soul, all the crazy poo poo you can do like teleporting your consciousness and double stacking simultaneously hinder it. If any strand of Christianity was going to go all in on stacks being the devil's work, it would be one of the Evangelical movements. I also find it highly unlikely it would be just one religious group that ends up with anti stack splinters. Meanwhile American style nazism seems fairly adaptable to the dystopian future where Meths run the world while good ol poo poo kicker boys get the short end of the stick. Hell, there's no way people don't get real pissy about accidentally/being forced by the state ending up in some "lesser" body. But yes, huge swaths of this particular issue are due to visual short hands and the like. Dude should definitely get some sort of recognition for how well he played Abuela in a Nazi's body hanging out with the family. Avasculous posted:"Slightly", because I meant his backstory, where they made the Quellists anti-immortality. They made the Quellists anti-immortality as their final attempt to prevent the rise/continuance of untouchable corporate titans. They were merrily insurging away for quite a while before Quell called them together to talk about the only way to stop super capitalists. Quell publicly and latter privately to Kovacs talks about how money will inevitably corrupt the beautiful gift of the stacks/immortality by returning humanity to a cyber Gilded Age. Kovacs himself isn't sure that the mortality virus is the right answer to the problem. Gyges fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Tak's protectorate rant happens INSIDE VR to get them to pull him out. The rest is neurachem cybernetics. ... in the books, yes. In the show, he stops his own heart in VR then they pull him out and he rants before they dunk him again. I'm not disagreeing that the book version is better and that ancient technology is poop as a plot device. I can buy that social engineering hasn't changed much in 250 years! I'm just saying in view of them updating Envoy training from a brutal regiment that turns a person inside out to a drum circle in the woods they needed to have provided an explanation for why it's so special and hasn't been duplicated in further centuries. Ancient aliens slot into that nicely, even if it's the cheap way out.
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NmareBfly posted:... in the books, yes. In the show, he stops his own heart in VR then they pull him out and he rants before they dunk him again. The problem is it's a crap and unnecessary change. The whole point of VR Torture is it wholly inescapable. Even if they could escape it then, 250 years of tech advancement AFTER facing Envoys, would see that loophole welded shut.
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quote:The Catholic stuff makes surface sense, but falls apart faster than the continued existence of nazis. Catholics are one of the more science embracing factions of Christianity, and while you can certainly argue that stacks contain the soul, all the crazy poo poo you can do like teleporting your consciousness and double stacking simultaneously hinder it. dude, have you heard of traditonalist catholics? they're reactionary as gently caress. lmao, if modern catholics were as science embracing as the catholic church was at times historically, then the catholic stuff wouldn't make sense. and plus, you have radical traditionalist catholics, which are worse. the neo-catholics seem to me the same strain of reactionary thought. but you're right, i would imagine a lot more christian groups, evangelicals for one, to be involved in demanding anti-immortality hacks to the stacks. Neddy Seagoon posted:The problem is it's the most generic and boring cliche thing in sci-fi to say "we got it all off the aliens, we stupid monkeys barely understand it". Having something as fascinating as Stacks be an entirely human technology says far more about how we have developed as a species. That we HAVE found the answers. Bugger still being humble about ignorance in the 2600's. but that's reality, us stupid monkeys understand jack about the consciousness we're blessed with, but we sure have a lot to say about it. there's plenty of sci-fi where humanity has figured all this poo poo out, all far more generic and boring than this show. perhaps understanding some things is far more elusive than most people think, and honestly it doesn't make a lick of difference where the tech comes from. your second criticism makes even less sense, we can have vignettes and perspectives exactly like you mention regardless of the backstory of the plot element that allows for it. the more i think about it, the less i find that the provenance of stacks matters. i'm interested in how they're used and how society develops with the adoption thereof.
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Gyges posted:Kids seem like an interesting issue when mom or dad get resleeved. Do they just use some of their original sleeve's DNA to make kids or do they just roll with the DNA of the new sleeve. Like the couple that make a living of fighting each other to the death, are their kids just completely genetically unrelated? I assume they had kids before they started their careers. …unless it’s possible to put a pregnant sleeve on life support. That has some troubling implications.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The problem is it's a crap and unnecessary change. The whole point of VR Torture is it wholly inescapable. Even if they could escape it then, 250 years of tech advancement AFTER facing Envoys, would see that loophole welded shut.  In the books, yeah. But in the show, it happens. So they spun the lore in a way that there's an explanation for how. I don't like it, but it makes sense.
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I just finished the show, and it was legitimately good. The production values and design on this thing were loving dope. Netflix is crushing it with this and Mindhunter. Also a big lol at all the articles whining about the sex and violence in show. Like GoT, it's set in a violent world you stupid assholes. Grow up or gently caress off. And I got a bit teary when the hotel AI guy was dying slowly by that neo-Catholic oval office. 
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viral spiral posted:And I got a bit teary when the hotel AI guy was dying slowly by that neo-Catholic oval office. I'm pretty sure Leung wasn't neo-Catholic
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Rinkles posted:I'm pretty sure Leung wasn't neo-Catholic He's still a oval office, though.
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NmareBfly posted:
I know it happened. I'm saying they wrote around a perfectly decent scene for a halfassed Matrix ripoff.
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Man I wanna like this show so bad, the cinematography and visuals are amazing, the sets are amazing, the concepts are amazing. But the characters and dialogue and general writing feels so stilted and cliched and contrived. Kovacs is like the ultimate teenager anti-hero who thinks he's too cool for school and actually is because he's a Mary Sue. Insane plot armor. Envoys are like literally Jedi combined with the Kwizatz Haderach? Lots of really cool sci-fi ideas here, people being in wildly different aged sleeves or different gender sleeves, people backing themselves up before being killed, Bancroft willingly sacrificing himself to the plague knowing he'll just respawn anyways, people fighting to the death for money knowing they'll respawn, etc. etc. etc. But then you have so much stuff that its like, did they think any of this through? Ortega talks about breaking police laws while she's walking through the police station. How loving insanely stupid is that? "Sorry m'am, the program's locked in" yeah that makes sense. If Neo-C believers think its a sin to have a second life and you shouldn't do it, why do they have stacks?! Why wouldn't they be 100% organic? What is the purpose of a stack if you don't respawn? Also the rich people are called "Meths" because they live forever using stack technology. But... everybody has stack technology. Even prisoners. So why doesn't everybody live forever? People die because they run out of money? If they're just a USB stick, why not keep them "on ice" at the very least? That means everybody lives forever. Which means the "Meth" title and distinction makes no sense. Where are all these sleeves coming from in order to match people into random sleeves? The girl who got an old lady's body, the grandma who got a biker's body, what did those people do to ditch their sleeves? Why can't they grow sleeves closer to their original bodies? You'd think they could at least get age and gender right. I get that you have to pay lots of money for premium sleeves, they talked about "advanced combat sleeves", but you'd think you could still get a super cheapo generic male or female or adult or child body at the very least? People seem to not realize that other people can be re-sleeved? If this is a society where people are constantly being loaded into other bodies, you'd be aware of that. You'd ask to see some kind of foolproof identification that people are who they appear to be, at all times. You'd check their stack itself. The entire society would revolve around people being stacks, not sleeves, and not trusting what people's appearance is. However its like several episodes in when Kovacs seems to kinda say to himself that people may not be who they appear, like its this big revelation. He's not new to the idea of stacks! The idea that somebody else could be riding in a person's body should be extremely obvious. This is the same problem from Star Wars where they say "no life forms in that escape pod, its fine" when they exist in a universe that has droids and they should know to look out for droids. I guess it'll be explained later in the season but what the gently caress happened to Ryker's stack? Is he dead? On ice? Why, because he broke the law? How is he dead but his sleeve is still intact, but he's also not using it so Kovacs gets it? This show feels like it has too many cool ideas and crams them all together without actually building a consistent world where they all make sense. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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Zaphod42 posted:Also the rich people are called "Meths" because they live forever using stack technology. But... everybody has stack technology. Even prisoners. So why doesn't everybody live forever? People die because they run out of money? If they're just a USB stick, why not keep them "on ice" at the very least? That means everybody lives forever. Which means the "Meth" title and distinction makes no sense. I think they do live forever, someone mentioned earlier that in the books there are stack markets filled wall to wall with stacks. Scrooge McDuck style, no organization just piles you scoop into a bucket and pay by weight. The idea is you gamble getting someone with good skills you can sell to a mercenary or something. What's with "meth"? Where does the term come from? bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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bring back old gbs posted:I think they do live forever, someone mentioned earlier that in the books there are stack markets filled wall to wall with stacks. Scrooge McDuck style, no organization just piles you scoop into a bucket and pay by weight. The idea is you gamble getting someone with good skills you can sell to a mercenary or something. Methuselah, man from the bible who lived 200 years or whatever Like I said the distinction makes no sense. I get that they're wealthy but everybody lives forever in this society. (Until they get real death from being shot in the stack, anyways) Just call them the 1% or whatever.
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bring back old gbs posted:What's with "meth"? Where does the term come from? It comes from Methuselah, the person with the longest lifespan noted in the Bible. Genesis 5:27, KJV posted:And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years
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Even the show's synopsis in the OP screws this upquote:Based on the 2002 novel by Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon is set in the far-future of the 26th century where death is practically a thing of the past, for the rich. Breakthroughs in medical technology mean that, at birth, every single human is fitted with a “cortical stack”which immediately begins recording your memories, your skills, your intelligence, and the general state of your neural impulses which make up “you.” Should death befall your body, your stack is simply removed and placed into a new “sleeve.” This is a contradiction already. Which is it? The rich, or every single human?
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Yeah, nearly everyone is living indefinitely, but few people get to experience all that many years. Bodies are really expensive. When you go to prison, your body gets rented out to whomever can pay for it. A person from a poor family might as well be in a stasis pod drifting in interstellar space: they could theoretically be woken up, but it’s unlikely. It’s hardly a life. Zaphod42 posted:If Neo-C believers think its a sin to have a second life and you shouldn't do it, why do they have stacks?! Why wouldn't they be 100% organic? What is the purpose of a stack if you don't respawn? I’m sure Neo Catholics would like that, but they don’t have enough pull. The government says you have to have a stack, full stop. It’s useful in cases like renouncing the faith or if 653 passed or just if a Catholic goes to prison and now the government gets to rent out their sleeve.
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Zaphod42 posted:Even the show's synopsis in the OP screws this up If you're rich your stack gets put into a new body. If you're other you get put in line like a kidney donor list and you get a sleeve when one comes available to you, if it ever does. If you're fringe, outside the system, or a soldier, you go to the stack market and you float in water perpetually. If that "little girl" from ep1 is anything to go by the floating is not a fun state of being. You aren't dead but not in a body. You're just a consciousness with no stimuli. If it was like a lucid dream where you're in your own personal matrix it probably would be hard to convince people to have physical bodies anymore. bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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Zaphod42 posted:everybody lives forever in this society. Only people that can afford new sleeves live forever. The one little girl only got a new free lovely sleeve because she was a vehicular homicide or something. Anyone that just dies is dead barring having enough money to buy something
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Platystemon posted:I’m sure Neo Catholics would like that, but they don’t have enough pull. The government says you have to have a stack, full stop. "if 653 passed" seems backwards to me. 653 couldn't really be an idea until most everybody was being forcibly stacked from birth already. I guess you could just say "The government really likes stacks and wants to force it on everybody because" but that seems like a tremendous cost for no benefit if they're not going to respawn, and if we can't afford to build new bodies how can we afford to stack everybody... it just feels contrived I dunno. bring back old gbs posted:If you're rich your stack gets put into a new body. If you're other you get put in line like a kidney donor list and you get a sleeve when one comes available to you, if it ever does. If you're fringe, outside the system, or a soldier, you go to the stack market and you float in water perpetually. If that "little girl" from ep1 is anything to go by the floating is not a fun state of being. You aren't dead but not in a body. You're just a consciousness with no stimuli. No, I don't think that's right. You have to be "spun up" into VR, which is where the Neo-C conflict comes in. If people were conscious without stimuli OR in their own matrix, you wouldn't have to "spin" them back to life; they'd still be alive. You'd just connect to their stack and talk, there'd be no ethical conflict. The point is you die, but then you can be brought back from where you were. Its the whole star trek transporter thing again where you're really dying and being cloned as much as you're coming back or staying alive. (This show is basically SOMA the game, seriously) Not sure what you're talking about with the girl from ep 1... I think you've confused things.
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Azhais posted:Only people that can afford new sleeves live forever. The one little girl only got a new free lovely sleeve because she was a vehicular homicide or something. Anyone that just dies is dead barring having enough money to buy something It depends upon what you mean by live. You're "dead" but your stack still exists so you have the potential to be spun up again. So from the point of view there, you're just as capable of being alive. If you look at sleeve-death and being re-sleeved as dying and being cloned, then stacks don't live forever, but then nobody lives forever. If you see sleeve-death and being re-sleeved as just a skip and jump from one body to the next, then the stack people are still technically "alive" because they're just between body states. Its a philosophical problem, which is the whole fun idea the show is playing at here, but regardless of which side you come down THIS particular issue is still a problem. Either everybody "lives forever" or nobody does. Being rich has nothing to do with it. But you could say the rich get to experience more of their years. That's not as catchy. And again, since you're not experiencing the time you're not spun up, like Kovacs jumping forward 200 years, it basically means rich people experience time slowly while poor people constantly skip forward time travelling into the future. Which is ... weird and awkward. Kinda cool for the poor people? Makes the whole wealth inequality thing suddenly seem pointless. E: Unless there's like some great warehouse fire where all the stacks get burned up, being poor isn't really all that bad? Everybody lives forever, rich people live it out day by day, poor people skip years at a time. Either way... cool? Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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Zaphod42 posted:Not sure what you're talking about with the girl from ep 1... I think you've confused things. She says “Daddy, please don’t put me back in the dark again.” Storage isn’t a virtual paradise. I don’t know why the dead don’t get VR sessions or why clones and synths are both so expensive, but that’s the way it is.
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Zaphod42 posted:Not sure what you're talking about with the girl from ep 1... I think you've confused things. There was an older woman in the first episode who was actually a young girl meeting her parent after being given a new sleeve. Her parents complain about it and the government guy offers to put the girl back in storage and the girl says "please don't put me back in the dark". There's no point to using it as a punitive measure if you blink out of existence while you're on ice. EDIT : oh yeah there is some weird time dilation in the dark, or maybe that's just in VR? Because Poe was able to give that lady a ton of training in a short amount of time. bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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bring back old gbs posted:There's no point to using it as a punitive measure if you blink out of existence while you're on ice. No and that's another thing that's awkward. Its the Demolition man problem. "you've been rehabilitated by being frozen for 1000 years" doesn't really make sense. Its just a time jump. That's what I'm saying. But the thing is poor people go on ice too, its not just a punitive measure. Its less a punitive measure than it just is what happens to you when nobody's paying for a body, and if you're in prison or if you're poor either way nobody's paying for a body. Yeah now I know which girl you mean, I thought you meant the drowned girl so I was confused. I dunno, I think the writers just can't keep their ideas straight and told her to say that. The only reason I can think of that being on ice is bad is that you miss out on time with loved ones... although if they're also stacked/sleeved then its not super likely they're gonna die of old age either... IDK feels like its not fleshed out. If being on ice really is bad then you'd think everybody poor would kill themselves first, but I guess Kovacs was considering that. I think that was more a personal thing though knowing that his lover was gone forever rather than actively fearing being on ice for a long time as some kind of punishment. He seemed to not give a poo poo. Although he also doesn't give a poo poo about anything.
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bring back old gbs posted:EDIT : oh yeah there is some weird time dilation in the dark, or maybe that's just in VR? Because Poe was able to give that lady a ton of training in a short amount of time. VR is capable of time dilation. The books go into it more. It maxes out at a few hundred times real time, IIRC. Portable systems are capable of less.
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Zaphod42 posted:No and that's another thing that's awkward. Its the Demolition man problem. "you've been rehabilitated by being frozen for 1000 years" doesn't really make sense. Its just a time jump. That's what I'm saying. Demolition man explicitly calls out that they're basically being brainwashed the entire time. Hence why Stallone is all "Don't worry, I can patch that" when Bullock tore her sweater then was immediately all "Did I just say that?" It's also why Snipes knew all the codes to get out, because the mayor loaded him up with combat skills and how to escape the prison
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