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precision posted:I literally don't know a single woman who lets their clothing drape over a toilet, if you're trying to imply I'm some kind of bizarre germ phobe. Nah, that was more about the puking thing. Puke and poo poo belong in toilets.
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PT6A posted:Spoken like someone who's never had to pick semi-solid bits of their puke out of the sink while hungover! I assume it's a public sink, therefore, not her problem
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I know this is off topic but seriously, why the hell would you puke in a sink instead of a toilet? You can flush a toilet, that’s the whole point.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I know this is off topic but seriously, why the hell would you puke in a sink instead of a toilet? You can flush a toilet, that’s the whole point. There's also the splash back factor from puking in a sink.
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harrison ford sits on his transcontinental flight, booked for the express purpose of giving a child rapist a golden statue an indelible hollywood image
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On the subject, Quentin Tarantino apologised. https://www.avclub.com/quentin-tarantino-apologizes-for-his-roman-polanski-com-1822846008 Relevant bit: quote:"I want to publicly apologize to Samantha Geimer for my cavalier remarks on “The Howard Stern Show” speculating about her and the crime that was committed against her. Fifteen years later, I realize how wrong I was. Ms. Geimer WAS raped by Roman Polanski. When Howard brought up Polanski, I incorrectly played devil’s advocate in the debate for the sake of being provocative. I didn’t take Ms. Geimer’s feelings into consideration and for that I am truly sorry. It's actually a proper apology, surprisingly enough.
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Good for him.Uncle Boogeyman posted:I know this is off topic but seriously, why the hell would you puke in a sink instead of a toilet? You can flush a toilet, that’s the whole point. Yaws posted:There's also the splash back factor from puking in a sink. Now think about the splash back from puking in a toilet. This is such a weird derail, I honestly didn't know puking in the sink and then cleaning it up was a step too far
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precision posted:Good for him. As someone who's thrown up in quite a few toilets, you don't get splashback from toilets because you don't puke solid masses.
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Snowman_McK posted:On the subject, Quentin Tarantino apologised. That’s real good.
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Another article on the Alamo Drafthouse and Tim League, who has somehow skirted by with almost no reprocussions despite harboring multiple predators https://splinternews.com/alamo-drafthouses-long-history-of-minimizing-sexual-rear end-1822816916
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precision posted:Good for him. I'm a degenerate drunk who has puked in many toilets. Theres generally no splash back provided you hit the water. This derail owns.
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Tars Tarkas posted:Another article on the Alamo Drafthouse and Tim League, who has somehow skirted by with almost no reprocussions despite harboring multiple predators Tim League is clearly a fucker who doesn't like saying no to people but I'm impressed at the accuracy and speed at which Karrie League is able to put her foot all the way in her mouth. quote:“The next day, Karrie contacted me,” Lewis says. “She let me know that they felt really bad for him.” The Leagues had a dilemma: The customer lived with a traumatic brain injury, and was one of the chain’s most loyal customers. They knew he seemed to struggle with impulse control. Lewis says she was told that “he pretty much lived his life at the Alamo,” and “if they were to ban him from it, it would just ruin him.” quote:Lewis wasn’t the only—or even the first—person to ask those questions. In the early 2000s, Jasmine Baker, who’d been a Drafthouse regular and friend to the Leagues since they opened their first theater in Austin, went to Karrie League to tell her about one of the company’s outside partners. “I’m telling them, you have to stop doing business with him. This is abhorrent. You can’t keep doing business with him,” she recalls. Baker told them about a friend of hers, who’d told her that she’d been raped by this man. (Splinter could not confirm the incident, and the woman involved declined to speak with us, so we are not naming either party.) quote:At one point, Karrie questioned if the business model of the Drafthouse itself should be adapted to address the issue. She wondered aloud if the Drafthouse should show movies by filmmakers who had been accused of sexual assault, like Woody Allen or Roman Polanski, as she considered the future of the company. “There’s a part of me that’s like, whoa, well, if we’re forced out [of the company], we don’t even have to deal with any of this anymore. It’s a very small part of me, but you’ve gotta find the silver linings where you can, right?” quote:When she met with Jasmine Baker at Bonhomie, Karrie League explained that the outrage over Faraci’s employment with the Drafthouse was a misunderstanding. She acknowledged that the company had made mistakes, but bringing Faraci back into the fold wasn’t one of them. “Everyone was right to be yelling, they were just yelling about the wrong thing,” she explained as she anticipated headlines about the unrelated rape allegation to break. “Tim had permission from the woman [whom he’s alleged to have assaulted]” to re-hire Faraci. quote:In one of Jasmine Baker’s last interactions with Karrie League, the theater owner texted Baker, asking if she wanted her to pay for her to see a therapist—a suggestion Baker says she found insulting. quote:“It’s entirely possible that, you know, we’re just going to start over—with something else—and when we do, we will try to do way better with that next thing, because we have apparently hosed this one all up.”
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So Alamo Drafthouse has been helping out a rapist? That’s really disappointing  : I’m not a big movie person so I guess my one or two visits a year are being downgraded to none
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Im still gonna go. Tim League might own it but as far as I know my Alamo is p nice and may not be full of horrors but who knows.
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Gargamel Gibson posted:Yeah, he raped some kids, but he's delightful in Rush Hour 3. Swings and roundabouts. i checked and holy poo poo its real gross.
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Snowman_McK posted:On the subject, Quentin Tarantino apologised. Quentin Tarantino strikes me as a fuckup and a deeply weird person, but one that recognizes he should be and can be better. Ironically, he was never Jimmie from Pulp Fiction, he's Jules at the very end. He's a habitual line-stepper, but I'd rather that, followed by an honest apology like the above, rather than Middleditch's whinging drivel about MeToo and TJ Miller.
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Tarantino is also exactly the kind of person discussed up thread: his fetishes so transparently influence his film-making, but he has created some masterpieces of cinema, so what can you do but accept maybe we’re all kind of pervs. The fact there aren’t a littany of accusations leveled at him is pretty surprising but extremely welcome, I looooove his movies
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Has anyone mentioned the #ThatsHarassment videos? They are well produced PSAs, made by Sigal Avin and David Schwimmer and apparently released early 2017 (making them very timely). They are genuinely upsetting, but possibly important.
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Bust Rodd posted:Tarantino is also exactly the kind of person discussed up thread: his fetishes so transparently influence his film-making, but he has created some masterpieces of cinema, so what can you do but accept maybe we’re all kind of pervs. I'm pretty confident at this point that as weird as Tarantino is, he's not actually abusing anyone. With the litany of Hollywood people being revealed as serial rapists, you know it would have already come out if Tarantino was one of them. I think he's just a weirdo pervert, but still has morals. And he does have legitimate reasons for doing things like personally choking or spitting on actresses that I'm pretty sure aren't just him living out fantasies.
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chitoryu12 posted:I'm pretty confident at this point that as weird as Tarantino is, he's not actually abusing anyone. With the litany of Hollywood people being revealed as serial rapists, you know it would have already come out if Tarantino was one of them. On that note, Diane Kruger issues something to say that her name has been brought up a lot with regards to Tarantino and that she never once felt uncomfortable or forced in any way and felt as though she had been treated with complete respect. Anyway, in much sadder news, Rose McGowan's former agent killed herself and her family put out a fairly scathing statement. Neither Weinstein or McGowan herself comes out well in this. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/n...er_breakingnews It seems that she was caught in some crossfire (And if the family are to be believed, McGowan's lies) and sadly it took a toll.
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DrVenkman posted:On that note, Diane Kruger issues something to say that her name has been brought up a lot with regards to Tarantino and that she never once felt uncomfortable or forced in any way and felt as though she had been treated with complete respect. Rose McGowan's case is a really awkward one from me, because on the one hand she's one of Harvey Weinstein's personal victims and he's continuing to try and ruin her life, but on the other hand she seems to also be kind of a lunatic herself and keeps torpedoing her own cause.
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Rose McGowan is completely unhinged and I'm ready to see her either completely trash a dead person for not doing more or some bullshit, or she'll prop her up as a martyr to the bald lady gone crazy cause. There's no way she handles this well after screaming back and forth at a trans woman in Barnes and Noble.
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Howling Man posted:Rose McGowan is completely unhinged and I'm ready to see her either completely trash a dead person for not doing more or some bullshit, or she'll prop her up as a martyr to the bald lady gone crazy cause. There's no way she handles this well after screaming back and forth at a trans woman in Barnes and Noble. I don't think she has any coming back from that. Hecklers aren't exactly an uncommon occurrence, but she flew off the handle and turned it into a giant temper tantrum and profanity-laced rant against a woman who's part of a heavily discriminated class. This might be a Michael Richards moment for her.
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chitoryu12 posted:Rose McGowan's case is a really awkward one from me, because on the one hand she's one of Harvey Weinstein's personal victims and he's continuing to try and ruin her life, but on the other hand she seems to also be kind of a lunatic herself and keeps torpedoing her own cause. Yeah like I have no doubt about what happened with her and Weinstein, but in the years since either shaky memory takes over or she's outright lying about certain details. While her relationship with Robert Rodriquez didn't end great for either of them, it's easier to believe his version of what happened with PLANET TERROR over hers given that it's largely provable from his side of it. I understand why McGowan would perhaps misremember or alter her version of events and it's because she worked, albeit indirectly, with the man who raped her. Sure on a movie set you've struck back at the guy who has bad intentions, but once filming is over it doesn't take that pain away. It's not hard to see how that would've messed someone up. If the family of her agent are telling the truth, it's another instance of McGowan putting everything onto other people. So the story isn't 'I was put in a really lovely position and the only way out was to strike a deal with my attacker' and instead, 'I was sold out by this other woman and was forced into taking a payout'. The end result is the same, but your role in it changes. I think I said it earlier in the thread but McGowan is in a place where she feels the need to be infallible. There can't be any moment of 'well hang on what about this thing you did...' because then there's the belief that her movement will crumble. This piece actually gets into it pretty well: http://www.pajiba.com/celebrities_a..._medium=twitter quote:Said rage makes McGowan an appealing de facto leader of these post-Weinstein times. For many, it feels more manageable to approach this tangle of topics with someone leading the way, someone screaming the loudest and refusing to be polite. McGowan cannot be the leader of #MeToo, because it’s a movement that should not have one dominant leader. For one thing, it would mean that the millions of women whose stories need to be told could never be truly represented. Once a movement has a figurehead, it tends to be defined by their characteristics, and no matter how earnest or skilled the leader, they’ll have their blind spots. They’ll be prone to defensiveness or ego, and it will help nobody, not even that leader. It’s also a staggering amount of emotional and mental labour to place on one pair of shoulders. That will build up and wear you down. No human is constructed to withstand such public and private pain. If that pain causes you to lash out at the most vulnerable people, those whose voices the movement should be amplifying further, how can you be trusted as the leader?
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I mean it's become apparent that the hashtag has shifted from #metoo to #timesup. Away from the victims and onto the victimizers. It's a good move because every one even victims have flaws that can be picked away at but you can't really do the opposite with the men who abuse. You put an accusation out and they can't say "But he's really good with dogs!"
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Yeah, I was with McGowan until she started blasting #MeToo as a corrupt marketing ploy by CAA. Even if it is, it's doing God's work and achieving some results.
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As it turns out, it's possible to be both a courageous victim, and also a complete nut.
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It's interesting how much people struggle with not being able to sum up an individual into a single binary moral state.
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PT6A posted:As it turns out, it's possible to be both a courageous victim, and also a complete nut. Duality of man and all
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sponges posted:I still enjoy his films Chinatown is so good.
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This is an issue as old as celebrity itself. Everyone you love and respect probably hurt someone deeply at some point. Honestly the discourse regarding not separating the author from their work over the last two pages is like the sanest thing I’ve read since #metoo started
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chitoryu12 posted:I don't think she has any coming back from that. Hecklers aren't exactly an uncommon occurrence, but she flew off the handle and turned it into a giant temper tantrum and profanity-laced rant against a woman who's part of a heavily discriminated class. This might be a Michael Richards moment for her. The Michael Richards moment for her is a great way to sum it up. It's my big point of criticism for people making her into such a poster child for various important issues. She can't even keep her cool in a bookstore for grandparents. I watched her interview on Colbert without knowing that the temper tantrum at the Book Q&A happened RIGHT BEFORE the Colbert taping. She insisted and really strangely added on to Colbert saying something by adding on that she was the first in this MeToo movement and was the reason everything happened. ....OK....
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This is the horrible thing about a movement like this. It needs a figurehead, but everyone who is able to be a figurehead is pretty likely to be badly damaged. And so we keep wondering why women who've been on the wrong end of sexual assault that went unpunished for years aren't clearheaded public speakers.
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And also the power of the figurehead is corruptible. Like weren’t the #MeToo silence breakers from time magazine all black women? Who is Rose McGowan to supersede their impact? And so on and so on
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Yeah, I was with McGowan until she started blasting #MeToo as a corrupt marketing ploy by CAA. Even if it is, it's doing God's work and achieving some results. I don't know, I think at this point it's come screaming off the rails on fire. It's lost it's focus, half the stories now are ridiculously pathetic or mild compared to anything that has come before, etc. It's turned into a "say X is bad and X is ruined the end" bullshit, even if the reasoning is questionable. I cannot nor ever will be able to file "asked to bone, said no, left, no problems after" with "threatened, drug, bully or physical force." Frankly the fact the Aziz Ansari was the moment it really went completely sideways. A bad date and some lovely game is not rape but somehow #MeToo takes every single level single thing and throws them all in the one-and-only rape pile, black & white with no sense of scale. #MeToo started good but at this point is a raging dumpster fire the legitimate victims are trapped in with a ton of political bullshit now. Also looking it up it sounds like McGowan was mostly angry with #TimesUp, not #MeToo, which seems like a pretty blatant attempt to get a bunch of dudes off the hook for wearing a stupid pin and donating a few dollars to put out the fires. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Feb 10, 2018 |
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I mean constantly shoving your fingers in someone's mouth because you saw it in a porn is a step beyond "lovely game".
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Bust Rodd posted:And also the power of the figurehead is corruptible. Like weren’t the #MeToo silence breakers from time magazine all black women? Who is Rose McGowan to supersede their impact? And so on and so on Mostly black women, but also Taylor Swift, who is so white she’s clear.
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Bust Rodd posted:Tarantino is also exactly the kind of person discussed up thread: his fetishes so transparently influence his film-making, but he has created some masterpieces of cinema, so what can you do but accept maybe we’re all kind of pervs. The thing that really annoys me about the whole "Tarrinitno said WHAT?" thing isn't the fact what he said wasn't wrong on every single level and disgusting - it was (including about the fact the girl wanted it.. if she had been 35 it'd still been rape the way it went down) but the fact everyone's acting like it was just him, or it's some sort of smoking gun. Well they better buy like a thousand more bullets for that smoking gun because that is literally Hollywood across the board. I even made a thread on GBS about it since I'd love to put together a montage video of everyone from George Clooney to Harrison Ford to Whoopi Goldberg saying exactly what Tarrinitno did, and there were a drop in the bucket. Does nobody remember the HUNDREDS of celebrities coming to his defense when he got arrested in Sweeden? Literally the only big name I remember saying "gently caress the rest of Hollywood and gently caress Polanski" was Chris Rock. Maxwell Lord posted:I mean constantly shoving your fingers in someone's mouth because you saw it in a porn is a step beyond "lovely game". No, it's lovely game. You're picturing it like some horror scene where he keeps ripping his hand into her mouth like he's trying to suck out her soul, but come on, there's no way it wasn't just Michael Scott level awkward instead. Whatever it is, it's not rape. At all. It's not even news worthy. It's "dude has an awful sex move that he deserves to be snickered at for." ED: And again in his defense terrible finger-mouth move was rewarded with not one, but two blowjobs so yeah. On the upside at least some of the #MeToo players were saying it didn't belong too. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Feb 10, 2018 |
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Rose, damaged or not, can’t be excused for her transphobic opinions and also should really be aware of someone she has publicly put on blast killing themselves and take some ownership. Just like the horrible people “defending” themselves as saying it was part of how they grew up, saying she is damaged does not excuse it. Words still matter. I hate to pick on “outrage culture” as outrage has actually gotten good work done but I have wondered lately- where is a logical end point with this poo poo? Like people use both sides of it. Progressives demanding complete ideological purity for their movements. Men being allies speak up- they are mansplaining, they don’t talk- typical silence from men. Trans men and women being shut out of respective gay/straight groups as they are “different” anyway, gay men continuing horrible patriarchal views in gay rights movements, trans women being told they aren’t victims because they aren’t “real”women by feminist groups. It just seems that everyone is tainted by something and even if you were some divine being of pure social justice it won’t matter as people so passionately believe one thing or another despite both claiming to be progressive on a movement and still holding completely contrary views. I guess rose sadly personified that as well. Hypocrite in terms of fighting for justice while being transphobic, and completely attacking anyone who even slightly disagrees or even questions her. Like I get slamming down on people who are anti the movement but why attack people who are at least trying??
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