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Aleph Null posted:I think the forced jokes were to appease Fox and if he had his way, it would be a straight up, sincere homage to Star Trek because he loves Star Trek so much he would marry the concept of Star Trek if that were possible. This is the case, from what I have seen. Seth really really loves Star Trek, from the fan film he made as a teenager, to the stories of him falling apart when he met Patrick Stewart and a few other TNG cast members at a restaurant. The bad jokes at the beginning of the season were to appease Fox, and since they slowly went away and Seth also said that Season 2 will be less humor focused, I am not worried about 'Family Guy Star Trek' at all.(I hate Family Guy)
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TheCenturion posted:People have this weird idea that if Seth McFarlane had his druthers, Seth’s show The Orville would be wall to wall dick and fart jokes. I think part of MacFarlane's problem is that he got so successful so early. He was 25 when Family Guy came out and it was so successful, everything he'd done since is being compared to that, even stuff like American Dad and The Orville, which really aren't thematically similar.
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Epicurius posted:I think part of MacFarlane's problem is that he got so successful so early. He was 25 when Family Guy came out and it was so successful, everything he'd done since is being compared to that, even stuff like American Dad and The Orville, which really aren't thematically similar. IT doesn't help that Family Guy is still going. Had it stayed dead, or been canceled a few years after the resurrection, I think he might be considered a bit more favorably. But Family Guy is still going, and it's been bad for years
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Feb 9, 2018 18:31
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Iron Crowned posted:IT doesn't help that Family Guy is still going. Had it stayed dead, or been canceled a few years after the resurrection, I think he might be considered a bit more favorably. But Family Guy is still going, and it's been bad for years It will stay alive as long as its profitable, same as with the Simpsons.
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Feb 9, 2018 18:39
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swickles posted:It will stay alive as long as its profitable, same as with the Simpsons. Corporitized art is cancer.
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Feb 9, 2018 18:40
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TheCenturion posted:People have this weird idea that if Seth McFarlane had his druthers, Seth’s show The Orville would be wall to wall dick and fart jokes. I think if he had his way entirely he would just be doing a new literal actual Star Trek series.
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Feb 9, 2018 18:53
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Grand Fromage posted:I think if he had his way entirely he would just be doing a new literal actual Star Trek series. That would probably be his version of heaven. You know, he had a bit part in an episode of Enterprise as an Enterprise engineer being chewed out by Connor Trineer.
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Feb 9, 2018 19:03
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I definitely don't want this show to turn into a bunch of TNG references and spoofs, but man... if I could have just one I'd love to see the orville transporting a distinguished admiral and his wife somewhere. Jonathan frakes as some huffing his own farts zap brannigan type ladies man that tries to cheat on his wife every chance he gets, and Marina Sirtis as an elegant telepath who drinks too much then is angry and yelling about space football and psychically projecting her singing badly to jimmy buffet songs to everyone within 5 decks. Getting to see those two argue and banter off each other on screen would be like the Mr. & Mrs. Riker trek sitcom they never got 
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Feb 9, 2018 19:13
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KPC_Mammon posted:This seems like a weird comparison, is the second example supposed to be funny? If not, why does it matter if the first one is funnier? Wow. Even my autistic son would get the setup of that joke and what the joke was. But, since it's important to me that everyone be able to understand contextual humor created with abstract but very common frameworks, regardless of the person's natural ability to "read between the lines" as it were, allow me to explain my joke. See, my overall point at this... uhm, point... of the post was that you don't need explicitness to be funny. I invoked the old-fashioned "in my day, ladies left something to the imagination!" cliché first: tarlibone posted:... And call me an old curmudgeon, but I appreciate leaving things to the imagination. There's something about a gorgeous woman in a well-cut, well-fitting dress that reveals just a hint of sideboob at a certain angle that is just more titillating than a naked chick spreading open her vagina in my direction. First, I invoke the aforementioned cliché, which is one most people are familiar with. Then, I illustrate it with an analogy that has a basic and recognizable formula. To wit, "I think that a less explicitly sexual image of a woman is sexier than an image that is explicitly pornographic." To distill it further, "I think that hinting at something is better than just showing it in full." OK, so we have the format down. Now, I draw the parallel to the topic at hand, which is comedy, not sexual imagery or situations. At least, that's how I start: tarlibone posted:The same is true for comedy: there's something about a joke or situation that's not littered with cuss words and outright vulgar dialogue that's just plain funnier than a... Because most, for lack of a better word, "normal" people would still remember the function and format of the previous analogy, someone reading this part of the next paragraph would likely assume that since I've started off with the "I prefer the non-explicit ______ " bit, substituting sexual imagery with comedy vocabulary sets, I'd probably fill in the other part of the analogy with something appropriate to the topic of comedy vocabulary sets. You know, something like, "I think non-explicit language in comedy can be funnier than comedy that is filled with cursing and vulgarity." But, instead of doing what is expected, I use the second half of the previous analogy--the one that has nothing to do with the current analogy: tarlibone posted:... [non-explicit language in comedy is] just plain funnier than a... naked chick spreading open her vagina in my direction, and let's face it, with HBO, it's only a matter of time before their original series' nudity requirements go from titties to gynecology. This creates a non sequitur of sorts, as this analogy makes almost no sense. It does in context, as any fool (well, almost any fool!) can tell where the naked woman line came from, why it's being used again, and why that's supposed to be funny, of course. And, like any humor involving this kind of misdirection and content that makes no sense out-of-context, your mileage may vary. Hell, there are some who'd argue that if you have to explain the joke, that it wasn't a good one to begin with. But, that's not usually true. I mean, some people find unnecessarily long and detailed explanations of obvious, easy-to-get jokes humorous in and of themselves. But enough about my joke. This is the Orville thread! Shouldn't we be talking about how Star Trek: Discovery killed a gay guy or something?
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Grand Fromage posted:I think if he had his way entirely he would just be doing a new literal actual Star Trek series. I wonder if he actually tried to pitch to CBS, just figured it wouldn't fly and started his own thing, or actively chose not to pursue the Star Trek license and therefore not be beholden to the license holder's whims and interference.
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tarlibone posted:Wow. Even my autistic son would get the setup of that joke and what the joke was. Rude. Your son has the advantage of being raised around your sense of humor. I appreciate the explanation as a break from STD chat though. In order for your joke to be funny doesn't graphic gratuitous nudity or vulgarity have to be funny? KPC_Mammon fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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Tom Guycot posted:I definitely don't want this show to turn into a bunch of TNG references and spoofs, but man... if I could have just one I'd love to see the orville transporting a distinguished admiral and his wife somewhere. I've said this before, but I think if ~webisodes~ were still a thing, they'd be a perfect outlet for really indulgent cameos and comedy. Short enough that you can just hit the funny beats and not have to fully develop a full hour story, just having some actors goofing on set is about the cheapest thing you can do, and if people don't like 'em oh hey they're just ~webisodes~ and this is a largely episodic show so you can just not reference them at all in the main show. Everybody gets what they want.
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TheCenturion posted:I wonder if he actually tried to pitch to CBS, just figured it wouldn't fly and started his own thing, or actively chose not to pursue the Star Trek license and therefore not be beholden to the license holder's whims and interference. I feel like he pitched it to CBS and when they told him to pound sand he just hit find/replace on all the Trek elements in the scripts
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Tighclops posted:I feel like he pitched it to CBS and when they told him to pound sand he just hit find/replace on all the Trek elements in the scripts Do you think Seth heard rumors about a new Trek coming and started asking around only to discover they were going dark and gritty so he pitched his own idea?
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Aleph Null posted:Do you think Seth heard rumors about a new Trek coming and started asking around only to discover they were going dark and gritty so he pitched his own idea? Of course I can't prove it but I think that could be a distinct possibility.
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KPC_Mammon posted:Rude. Your son has the advantage of being raised around your sense of humor.  OK, fair enough. KPC_Mammon posted:I appreciate the explanation as a break from STD chat though. In order for the joke to be funny, graphic gratuitous nudity has to be sexy, at least to some people; and, vulgarity has to be funny--again, at least to some people. And by and large, you won't have trouble finding people who find nudity sexy and vulgarity funny. Hell, there are a lot of people who find nudity funny and vulgarity sexy. For that matter, lots of folks think nudity is vulgar, and there are quite a few who think that being funny is sexy.
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tarlibone posted:being funny is sexy. when I try, it's the other way around 
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mllaneza posted:You eternal mothe... oh you didn't name the show. Well done ! In the thread I started for... that particular television program, that episode is one of the two I ask people to spoilertag. Beachcomber posted:That chicken scene is something I wish I could forget. And that's the other one.
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tarlibone posted:Censors can unintentionally make things more fun. Without them, we wouldn't have South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut--the movie or the title. And there have been a few talk shows that show how a normal conversation can take on a hilarious edge if you just start bleeping out random words here and there. My favourite example of that is Arrested Development. There's the scene (in the pilot?) where Michael, Lindsay and Buster are bitching about Lucille and Buster has a rant where the entire thing is bleeped out and the others looks horrified. It's way funnier than anything Buster could have possibly said.
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Oh yeah, I love those kind of "long bleep and strange gesticulating" gags, they're always better than real raunch.
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In the heat of battle, my father wove a tapestry of obscenity, that as far as we know is still hanging in space over Lake Michigan.
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Brawnfire posted:Oh yeah, I love those kind of "long bleep and strange gesticulating" gags, they're always better than real raunch. Yeah I think I was watching some uncensored Venture Bros and the unbeeped scenes were way less funny than the beeped ones. Beeps let you use your imagination, it's like not fully seeing the monster in a horror movie.
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah I think I was watching some uncensored Venture Bros and the unbeeped scenes were way less funny than the beeped ones. Beeps let you use your imagination, it's like not fully seeing the monster in a horror movie. Some censored songs are funnier/better than the real one. I can remember the line "We don't need no water let the mother fucker burn" on the radio and they played nice a donkey HEE HAW noise instead of "fucker" and it was way funnier than actually hearing the swear.
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Brawnfire posted:Oh yeah, I love those kind of "long bleep and strange gesticulating" gags, they're always better than real raunch. https://youtu.be/B-Wd-Q3F8KM This is still the greatest example
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Crow's video deposition at Mike's trial in MST3K is another all-time great.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:It's worth noting that the actor and writer say they're proud of it, but I wouldn't fall back on that as an absolute defense of the material either. If they didn't appreciate or approve of it, would they really feel free to say so? Well I don't know much about the guy who played Doc Culber, but I wouldn't characterize Anthony Rapp as a guy afraid of Big Hollywood when it comes to speaking his mind. 
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah I think I was watching some uncensored Venture Bros and the unbeeped scenes were way less funny than the beeped ones. Beeps let you use your imagination, it's like not fully seeing the monster in a horror movie. Also maybe part of the reason the Star Wars prequels sucked. I read somewhere, maybe even on these very forums, that no matter what Lucas came up with for what happened in the Clone Wars, it would never be as cool as what you imagined when Leia talks about it in ANH.
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The Bloop posted:Some censored songs are funnier/better than the real one. My favorite is when a local radio station played the song Because I Got High and bleeped every instance of the word "high" with a different sound effect.
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Tom Guycot posted:
Holy poo poo, with Ed and Kelly doing the junior officer roles in a straight up homage to Virginia Wolfe except the son turns out to be an alien / psychic manifestation
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Also maybe part of the reason the Star Wars prequels sucked. I read somewhere, maybe even on these very forums, that no matter what Lucas came up with for what happened in the Clone Wars, it would never be as cool as what you imagined when Leia talks about it in ANH. That's why when I write, if something sounds cool like I should flesh it out, I don't. Characters can talk about it, worry about it, be affected by its consequences, but never go there and describe.
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The Bloop posted:Some censored songs are funnier/better than the real one. The Bloop posted:I can remember the line "We don't need no water let the mother fucker burn" on the radio and they played nice a donkey HEE HAW noise instead of "fucker" and it was way funnier than actually hearing the swear. Probably overkill, because none of the attending children or old people spoke English. But it definitely added to the comedy. Pew pew. Spaceships. E.: * maybe I'm making this up. Maybe they were blowing the same one every time.
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TheCenturion posted:Gay characters having plot armor is just as bad, imho. Doc’s death was organic to the story, pushed the plot, made sense, handled tastefully, and if he’d been written as a woman, you’d have just linked to women in refrigerators instead of bury your gays. This is from way back, but it's true, there will always be something to criticize at this point. Almost everything has been done before, as annoying as TV Tropes is about categorizing everything. That's not to say that trying to do better is for suckers, of course. 1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Also maybe part of the reason the Star Wars prequels sucked. I read somewhere, maybe even on these very forums, that no matter what Lucas came up with for what happened in the Clone Wars, it would never be as cool as what you imagined when Leia talks about it in ANH. That and the fact that it's very hard to recapture that late 70's-80's movie feel. Almost impossible, even. That's the newer movie's main problem, too. It's just modern filmmaking, I guess. Still, some things never live up to some people's imagination. The Matrix, BSG, Lost, Contact, 2001, Mass Effect... when you get a "what the hell is this?" ending in a visual medium it doesn't go over nearly as well as in a written one.
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Brawnfire posted:That's why when I write, if something sounds cool like I should flesh it out, I don't. Characters can talk about it, worry about it, be affected by its consequences, but never go there and describe. The clone wars were probably the best part of the prequels, the issues were entirely the dumbshit with jar jar, anakin it wasn't plot beats as much as just poorly written characters.
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hangedman1984 posted:My favorite is when a local radio station played the song Because I Got High and bleeped every instance of the word "high" with a different sound effect. Jesus tapdancing Christ on a pogo stick, is this for real? Some shitfucking small-town station actually felt that the word 'high' might injure young ears? Jeezus.
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Gynovore posted:Jesus tapdancing Christ on a pogo stick, is this for real? Some shitfucking small-town station actually felt that the word 'high' might injure young ears? Jeezus. It always amused me when I lived across the border from Detroit that all the American stations would censor drug references and the "god" part of "goddamn" while the Canadian ones only seemed to care about easily noticed curses.
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Mokinokaro posted:It always amused me when I lived across the border from Detroit that all the American stations would censor drug references and the "god" part of "goddamn" while the Canadian ones only seemed to care about easily noticed curses.
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The worst is when they don't bleep or mute out the vocal line, they just cut out the portion of the song with the swearing, So the song jumps forward 1 or 2 beats and continues onward.
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Gynovore posted:Jesus tapdancing Christ on a pogo stick, is this for real? Some shitfucking small-town station actually felt that the word 'high' might injure young ears? Jeezus. This kind of nonsense is everywhere, to be fair. I mean, I can still remember seeing the video for "Gay Bar" by Electric Six for the first time. It's crazy and funny. Then I saw it again, not too long later. It was on some TV channel that was still playing music, but not MTV (I know, hardy-har-har). So nothing visual in the video is censored--you still have a bunch of Abe Lincolns in hotpants--but the words "war" and "nuclear war" are replaced with whip sounds. Thanks to this arbitrary bit of censorship, we're left with these pristine lyrics that could offer offense to naught the daintiest of babies' ears....: I want to take you to a gay bar I want to take you to a gay bar I want to take you to a gay bar, gay bar, gay bar Let's start a (whip cracking sound) Start a (whip cracking sound × 2) At the gay bar, gay bar, gay bar Now tell me do ya Do you have any money I want to spend all your money At the gay bar, gay bar, gay bar I've got something to put in you I've got something to put in you I've got something to put in you At the gay bar, gay bar, gay bar You're a superstar At the gay bar tarlibone fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Feb 10, 2018 |
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:That's not to say that trying to do better is for suckers, of course. Define “do better.” “Ok, so the doctor discovers that the patient has undergone surgical alteration and is a sleeper mole. The agent kills the doctor and goes about his evil plans. The doctor’s husband senses this loss, comes out of his coma and is grief stricken. Later on, he’s forced to interact with the now deprogrammed sleeper, and drama ensues.” The gender of the doctor should be meaningless here. This isn’t “doctor reveals gay feelings, then gets killed as karmic retribution.” This is “standard television drama, and the sexuality of the characters is utterly irrelevant,” which to my mind, is as it should be.
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