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Gorilla Salad posted:I've only ever caught the show in passing, but the one thing which caught my eye about Sheldon was just how much of an unrepentant, nasty piece of poo poo he was. The accessible pabulum is a medium for spreading a little bit of science, so it's not entirely irredeemable. Just mostly.
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Weird thought, maybe not related; I'm suddenly picturing Jadzia Dax as Roz from Frasier in space. Who needs extra boobs when you have extra brains?
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Feb 10, 2018 18:24
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Interesting, but it's not going to change anything anytime soon as long as the money keeps coming in.
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Feb 10, 2018 18:35
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Mister Kingdom posted:Interesting, but it's not going to change anything anytime soon as long as the money keeps coming in. Oh, I'm aware. This video just so perfectly explains the phenomenon described by that post (says a sexist thing, is called out on it, that becomes the joke) that I had to link it. E: VVV You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it! 
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Feb 10, 2018 18:39
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WampaLord posted:Oh, I'm aware. This video just so perfectly explains the phenomenon described by that post (says a sexist thing, is called out on it, that becomes the joke) that I had to link it. Yeah, its a much better articulation of what bothers me about the show. I just watched it, and the following one about geek masculinity and this guy is talking my poo poo, thanks for linking the video.
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Feb 10, 2018 18:54
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Not Operator posted:Yeah, its a much better articulation of what bothers me about the show. I just watched it, and the following one about geek masculinity and this guy is talking my poo poo, thanks for linking the video. If the BBT guys were jocks instead of nerds, would there be a different view?
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Feb 10, 2018 19:11
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Mister Kingdom posted:If the BBT guys were jocks instead of nerds, would there be a different view? Strangely enough, the one "jock" recurring character, Zach, is actually portrayed as way more sympathetic than any of the other characters. He's a stupid goofball, not a bully - it's made clear that the "nerds" have way more serious bullying tendencies.
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Feb 10, 2018 19:14
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Mister Kingdom posted:If the BBT guys were jocks instead of nerds, would there be a different view? There's been a very sharp turn on the nerd image from being "poor, misunderstood, ostracized fellows" to "racist, misogynist, deranged assholes" in the last few years, so if anything it would actually be better.
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Feb 10, 2018 19:19
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Strangely enough, the one "jock" recurring character, Zach, is actually portrayed as way more sympathetic than any of the other characters. He's a stupid goofball, not a bully - it's made clear that the "nerds" have way more serious bullying tendencies. But he's the classic dumb jock, though.
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Feb 10, 2018 19:20
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Mister Kingdom posted:If the BBT guys were jocks instead of nerds, would there be a different view? Maybe. I think the nerdiness of it makes it seem more palatable. The video mentions that by framing sexist jokes as geeky social awkwardness, they make relatively mean spirited things seem harmless, As an example, I think viewers would find it less acceptable if a woman was mean to a jock and he asked her if she was menstruating, as opposed to when Sheldon does it. I've only seen like eight episodes of the show in total and I'll be honest, I'm shocked I even have opinions about it.
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Feb 10, 2018 19:30
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And then they released a prequel show based on Sheldon and it's this bizarre period piece without a laugh track or even attempts at jokes except Sheldon has severe autism and is a child going to high school
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Feb 10, 2018 19:32
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The stereotype that the jocks will all get fat and poor after high school and they'll work for the nerds who are all billionaires because they understand computers is probably something else that's aged poorly.
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Feb 10, 2018 19:32
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By the way, what I'm arguing might be totally invalidated by Two and a Half Men, which was super sexist, just as popular, and starred noted non-nerd Charlie Sheen. I don't know if the tv landscape has changed that much between the end of that show and now.
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Feb 10, 2018 19:33
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Inescapable Duck posted:Weird thought, maybe not related; I'm suddenly picturing Jadzia Dax as Roz from Frasier in space. Who needs extra boobs when you have extra brains? So her character in Becker?
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Feb 10, 2018 19:47
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Calaveron posted:That 70s Show is also notorious for all but showing a joint or bong being used and also showing weed as ultimately harmless and leading to good music timed No, cocaine was the go-go 80s drug and it's just as chic and fun now as it was back then. Even the reality of it, where you and your friends have been sneaking keybumps of lovely blow in a piss-soaked dive bar is kind of cool in a degenrate taboo sort of way. Crack was around in the 80s but unlike freebasing it's always been considered a fairly scummy drug. It's just that cocaine never got the image makeover marijuana did. That 70's Show hit right as people were getting fed up with D.A.R.E/law enforcements message of "all drugs are equally dangerous and evil" so the cheeky sitting-around-getting-stoned aspect was a breath of fresh air. That 80's Show was never going to be able to do that with cocaine; you can't have young people talking over each other, rubbing their teeth, sniffling, and gagging randomly, and trying to find some valium for the comedown. Although I think today if you made an 80s nostalgia sitcom you could probably get away with showing cocaine use as long as you showed the realistic downsides.
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Feb 10, 2018 20:05
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That would be more Requiem For A Dream than That 70s Show though.
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Feb 10, 2018 20:09
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Nah cocaine isn't nearly as bad as opiods.
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Feb 10, 2018 20:16
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BioEnchanted posted:I always find it hilarious how the George Lucas movies have become such a corner stone of nerd stuff, because I couldn't give less of a gently caress about them. I've seen the first 6 Star Wars movies once each, and have no remembrance of much of either trilogy, and have barely seen the Indiana Jones movies. I just don't find them that interesting, despite the quality of cinematography or writing. There are just other movies I prefer to watch. He's not even the best sci-fi director named George. And yes, I'm counting George Miller's Mad Max series as sci-fi. Babe: Pig in the City too.
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Feb 10, 2018 20:20
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Tumble posted:Nah cocaine isn't nearly as bad as opiods. Really, the big problem with cocaine is that you're never as smart as it makes you think you are
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Feb 10, 2018 20:24
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By the way I'm sorry if I sounded like I was being a bitch about George Lucas. I guess the tone came across less neutral than I had intended - I find it funny due to exclusive nature of things, not in a "Lol people like this thing" kind of way - I appreciate that they are good movies, and don't think people are dumb for liking them it's just the cultural viewpoint that has sprung up that seems to put them on a pedestal more than other classic movies, likely because of the rise of percieved "Nerd Culture".
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Feb 10, 2018 20:25
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Calaveron posted:And then they released a prequel show based on Sheldon and it's this bizarre period piece without a laugh track or even attempts at jokes except Sheldon has severe autism and is a child going to high school I watched the first episode and said nope. In TBBT, you hear plenty of stories about Sheldon's youth. That should be enough. It's like one noodle incident after another.
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Feb 10, 2018 20:45
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Mister Kingdom posted:But he's the classic dumb jock, though. He's really affable, though. That's what is really weird, are the creators really trying to get us to hate the main cast?
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Feb 10, 2018 21:22
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Tumble posted:... have young people talking over each other, rubbing their teeth, sniffling, and gagging randomly... Never seen or heard of this side-effect before.
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Feb 10, 2018 23:24
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Gaunab posted:Never seen or heard of this side-effect before. That one is because they are watching Chuck Lorre sitcoms while buzzing. It's unrelated dry-heaving.
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Feb 10, 2018 23:26
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Gaunab posted:Never seen or heard of this side-effect before. Really? You've never had the coke gags? It's definitely a thing.
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Feb 10, 2018 23:37
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Calaveron posted:And then they released a prequel show based on Sheldon and it's this bizarre period piece without a laugh track or even attempts at jokes except Sheldon has severe autism and is a child going to high school Some people get really, really mad if you try to say Sheldon is autistic.
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Feb 10, 2018 23:56
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Some people get really, really mad if you try to say Sheldon is autistic. Isn't he one of those sitcom characters the show dances around saying explicitly he's autistic because they don't want the audience to feel like they're laughing at someone's disability while still wanting to make jokes about the disability? Abed from Community had the same thing but he was actually funny.
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Feb 10, 2018 23:59
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I like the Big Bang Theory, and think it's funny. Penny is the weakest link, and even she has gotten better. The laugh track is a bit much at times, but is not so bad as to ruin the show. Thanks for listening.
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Feb 11, 2018 00:27
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:I like the Big Bang Theory, and think it's funny. Penny is the weakest link, and even she has gotten better. The laugh track is a bit much at times, but is not so bad as to ruin the show. Thanks for listening. TV opinions that did not age well
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Feb 11, 2018 00:33
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:I like the Big Bang Theory, and think it's funny. Penny is the weakest link, and even she has gotten better. The laugh track is a bit much at times, but is not so bad as to ruin the show. Thanks for listening. What are some good jokes or scenes in the show? I really want to see something funny.
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Feb 11, 2018 01:29
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:I like the Big Bang Theory, and think it's funny. Penny is the weakest link, and even she has gotten better. The laugh track is a bit much at times, but is not so bad as to ruin the show. Thanks for listening. We found him! Paraphrasing, but I think the guy that posted that boomers with nerdy kids watch it and like it because they think that's what nerds are like. I swear to god though I've seen more of it than I care to because my Mom used to watch it constantly and I'm not exaggerating when I say I can't remember laughing one time. I honestly can't remember a more popular, less funny sitcom. Maybe 2 and a Half Men. Some sitcoms I have disliked over the years but realize it's usually more a matter of personal taste than lovely writing. TBBT is just not loving funny and I don't get it at all. Even the loving promos manage to not be funny.
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Feb 11, 2018 01:45
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BBT is like nickelback in that apparently no one likes it or watches it but it’s still super mega popular and profitable mysteriously somehow.
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Feb 11, 2018 02:07
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oldpainless posted:BBT is like nickelback in that apparently no one likes it or watches it but it’s still super mega popular and profitable mysteriously somehow. Whilst hatewatching it I am obviously exposed to ads and thus help monetize it. It's me, I'm part of the problem. 
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Feb 11, 2018 02:13
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The writing can be good despite itself. There is a lot of talent going into something that appeals to the lowest common denominator. But it’s also a throwback to simpler sitcoms with tired oft repeated storylines and no character arc whatsoever. I have no idea of what demographics watch BBT, but I’m going to guess it skews older. Younglings watch Riverdale.
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Feb 11, 2018 03:10
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Despite all the jokes about it I always found Everybody Loves Raymond to be OK - it had some kinda sweet moments, like when Raymond calls out his parents on never giving Robert any praise for what he does, him being a cop, despite it being really dangerous and brave of him to be doing so, and they admit that the reason that they do that it because they know how dangerous it is - they have to face every day knowing that their son may not come home that day, and it terrifies them so they focus of Raymond's relatively safe career as a sports writer so that they don't have to think about it. It's a selfish reasoning, but an understandable one, even though it's emotionally draining for Robert.
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Feb 11, 2018 08:20
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BiggerBoat posted:
Was Rules of Engagement popular? Because that is the worst loving show I have ever seen. It's just 'straight people hate each other' for 22 minutes, unrelentingly, and I could never figure out the appeal.
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Feb 11, 2018 09:17
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food court bailiff posted:i bet the love life of this guy who came into the old tv thread to bitch about valentines day is really good & healthy lmfao It's just the holiday that's on display atm. Candy, cards, flowers:all fine. 12 inch statues of Mickey Mouse with hearts and giant heart pillows and eight different kinds of licensed character valentines stuffed animals (that aren't even soft): bleh. Where do people go with this stuff? I think most of it gets thrown away. It will be the same for St. Patrick's day or whatever's next. I watched Planet of the Apes today and Charleston Heston was smoking on a space ship. Also, the girl on the spaceship was there to be constantly pregnant the rest of her life.
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Magikarpal Tunnel posted:Was Rules of Engagement popular? Because that is the worst loving show I have ever seen. It's just 'straight people hate each other' for 22 minutes, unrelentingly, and I could never figure out the appeal. Was that the show that had a character's sub-plot go of the rails as he realizes that he's in a sitcom?
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Tumble posted:It's just that cocaine never got the image makeover marijuana did. That 70's Show hit right as people were getting fed up with D.A.R.E/law enforcements message of "all drugs are equally dangerous and evil" so the cheeky sitting-around-getting-stoned aspect was a breath of fresh air. The attitudes of the late 90s/early 00s were changing so that you couldn't do another mainstream substance of the 80s, either: Cigarettes. Heavy smoking of regular tobacco products was probably completely on the way out by the time That 80s Show hit the air, but the 80s seemed to also be that last gasp (no pun intended) of tobacco industry still being able to get product placements, advertisements, being dirt cheap, socially acceptable, etc. Being able to smoke in almost every single place, including your job, in fast food places, in bars. Granted, that ran into the 90s for a while, too, but even by the 90s the momentum on the anti-tobacco movement was picking up.
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It's kind of weird watching older stuff and seeing characters smoking. I was born in '91, so I can kind of remember this point where it was going out the window, but it was also visual shorthand for someone being a badass. Like Wolverine, Spike Spiegel, John McClane, the Cigarette Smoking Man, etc. In older TV shows, seeing someone smoke was normal. Like Columbo, Andy Taylor, numerous film noir characters; it's kind of neat seeing how that's changed over the years.
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