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Trast posted:How long before Dana cuts her? I don't think he will if she maintains a record that is at all credible. She's a useful "we don't care what they do" answer to any annoying questions about whether he's against a fighter's union.
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The really cool thing here is that if she gets cut, that she'll be in a strong position to argue that she was fired for attempting to unionize, and that will put the UFC in a really tough legal position, especially if the union succeeds. Her record (assuming a loss to Ladd) is bad enough that the UFC will be able to try the "uhhh we would have fired her anyway and the union thing is just a coincidence" but not so bad that they'd for sure win in court, as the UFC hasn't walked many fighters for going WWL. Basically only fighters who demand more money than they're worth, like Bendo, or who nobody would pay to watch, like Jared Rosholt. They wouldn't cut a "I got my ear kicked off in a brawl and ran around the ring covered in blood screaming at the crowd in Spanish and starting huge chants" fighter who makes like 15/15 for going WWL.
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Feb 13, 2018 18:23
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CommonShore posted:The really cool thing here is that if she gets cut, that she'll be in a strong position to argue that she was fired for attempting to unionize, and that will put the UFC in a really tough legal position, especially if the union succeeds. Her record (assuming a loss to Ladd) is bad enough that the UFC will be able to try the "uhhh we would have fired her anyway and the union thing is just a coincidence" but not so bad that they'd for sure win in court, as the UFC hasn't walked many fighters for going WWL. Lol
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Feb 13, 2018 18:24
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Thats total ignorant horse poo poo but even if it was true lol at that being the really cool thing
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Feb 13, 2018 18:26
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Please forgive my Canadian brother for thinking America cares about workers' rights
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Feb 13, 2018 18:27
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They'd cut her with zero consequences.
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Feb 13, 2018 18:28
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They’re not even considered employees yet lol
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Feb 13, 2018 18:30
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Skip My Posts posted:They’re not even considered employees yet lol But if they cut her in these circumstances it could end up in court, where that could get debated, which is what I'm talking about. I know that the US doesn't give a poo poo about workers rights, and that the UFC could cut her and get away with it, but that wouldn't stop her from litigating over it. Much of this is about what ends up in front of judges where.
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Feb 13, 2018 18:33
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CommonShore posted:But if they cut her in these circumstances it could end up in court, where that could get debated, which is what I'm talking about. if I understand correctly, she wouldn't even be cut. they just wouldn't offer a new contract. same thing that happened to rory and mousasi, so it would be a tough legal leg to stand on. also, i'm pretty sure most courts would still see an mma fighter as a MONSTER in a VICIOUS BLOODSPORT
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Feb 13, 2018 18:39
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Bader got cut after going L-W-W. http://streamable.com/yhaku
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Feb 13, 2018 18:42
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reeg posted:if I understand correctly, she wouldn't even be cut. they just wouldn't offer a new contract. same thing that happened to rory and mousasi, so it would be a tough legal leg to stand on. also, i'm pretty sure most courts would still see an mma fighter as a MONSTER in a VICIOUS BLOODSPORT From what I've read, the "contract vs employee" problem is exactly what the UFC union people are trying to address. If a fighter were released in a circumstance inconsistent with those in which other fighters were released, it would give that fighter a chance to lawyer up and argue it in front of a judge. And this whole thing over the last 3 years has been about what gets taken to a judge. Rory and Mousasi aren't the same because they elected to exercise their free market rights. The only winning fighter I can think of who was released like that without some kind of free market situation is Jared Rosholt.
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Feb 13, 2018 18:46
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CommonShore posted:But if they cut her in these circumstances it could end up in court, where that could get debated, which is what I'm talking about. Yeah she could spend 5x her net worth to lose in court if she wants to
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Skip My Posts posted:Yeah she could spend 5x her net worth to lose in court if she wants to Maybe someone will help her with her lengthy and unprofitable run at a pride style tournament of 100lb harvard law graduates organized by dana white throwing darts at their graduating class photo, hmm like a guy named bjan from a very rich talent agency or something.
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Feb 13, 2018 19:32
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Bjorn has your back for sure homeboy
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Home girl
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CommonShore posted:But if they cut her in these circumstances it could end up in court, where that could get debated, which is what I'm talking about. CommonShore posted:From what I've read, the "contract vs employee" problem is exactly what the UFC union people are trying to address. If a fighter were released in a circumstance inconsistent with those in which other fighters were released, it would give that fighter a chance to lawyer up and argue it in front of a judge. And this whole thing over the last 3 years has been about what gets taken to a judge. She wouldn’t be released; they could just decide not to re-sign her if this is in fact the last fight in her contract. That’s not a cut and has zero legal backing.
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the same reason this is dangerous for her career is precisely why it's needed, obviously. it's why strikes exist; hopefully she can get some disgruntled big names on board (woodley and miocic)?
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Feb 14, 2018 02:01
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I agree, Woodley should go on strike indefinitely
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Feb 14, 2018 02:59
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Would it be more effective to sue to certify that they're employees and not contractors first? The first thing the article says is that they can't unionize because they're considered freelance contractors. Even though the UFC meets most of the conditions of employment, i.e. they're told when and where to show up to work, have uniforms (now), must submit to random drug tests when 'off the clock' at the UFC's behalf.
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chaleski posted:I agree, Woodley should go on strike indefinitely Just lol at the idea of Tyrone Woodley ever striking
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Byolante posted:Just lol at the idea of Tyrone Woodley ever striking -Koscheck, before the lights went out
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Bluedeanie posted:This seems like common sense and oftentimes is true, but sometimes the issue of someone's chin is they cut too much weight that they're more likely to be knocked out due to having less fluid around their brain to cushion it from concussive force and moving up in weighr actually helps, despite there being theoretically harder hitters. He also got badly outstruck by Court McGee. gently caress, that Romero rematch is a really interesting one. Their first fight was weird. Neither could get that much done, but Whittaker did an amazing job of nullifying most of Romero's offence, which is a feat in its own right.
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Feb 14, 2018 04:57
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Alex Gustafsson says he'd take a LHW Rockhold fight and I'm pretty sure if he stopped running at some point during the fight, he might actually kill Rockhold
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Gus's ko of glover was pretty as gently caress and his title shots against both Jones and DC are 2 of the best fights ever seen at 205. Gus is loving cool.
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Feb 14, 2018 08:36
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Gus would KO Rockhold without much trouble.
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Feb 14, 2018 08:47
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It's funny how bad the talent level falls off at 205 after Gus though
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JaySB posted:It's funny how bad the talent level falls off at 205 after Gus though More sad, but yeah it is.
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I like Gus too but it's hard to cheer for a man while he straight up runs from his opponents.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Alex Gustafsson says he'd take a LHW Rockhold fight and I'm pretty sure if he stopped running at some point during the fight, he might actually kill Rockhold LOL I love it when guys call out people that just got brutally knocked out....in another weight class. Gus showing true courage.
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Auron posted:LOL I love it when guys call out people that just got brutally knocked out....in another weight class. Gus showing true courage. He already called out DC, he is moving on. You should too.
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Marching Powder posted:Gus's ko of glover was pretty as gently caress and his title shots against both Jones and DC are 2 of the best fights ever seen at 205. Gus is loving cool. Gus/dc was very bad
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Dan Didio posted:Gus would KO Rockhold without much trouble. yeah probably
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if weidman wasn't kinda slow/plodding and didnt throw that dumb rear end spin kick he would have probably beat rockhold too
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I feel like Rockhold's unusually large frame for middleweight helps him quite a bit and he'll be leaving that at the wayside with a move to 205.
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weidman is really good probably. he beat vitor while vitor was still hardly ever losing, beat silva twice even if the 2nd one was kind of a freak ending etc. so hes reached some real heights
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Weidman has yet to come out and just look bad. His fights are at least always competitive and getting KO'd by some crazy Yoel poo poo isn't really something to be ashamed of. That wheel kick though...
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I.N.R.I posted:weidman is really good probably. he beat vitor while vitor was still hardly ever losing, beat silva twice even if the 2nd one was kind of a freak ending etc. so hes reached some real heights I think weidman is very good but wont be remembered as an all time great. I think the vitor fight showed that he was beatable by a barely roided quitter
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Tezcatlipoca posted:He already called out DC, he is moving on. You should too. Moving on to middleweights that just got their brain scattered. Right!
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