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Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Have you read the book?

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Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

No. Should I?

e: Actually I'm not sure you're the person I should be taking lit recommendations from

Hot Dog Day #82
Jul 5, 2003

Soiled Meat

Wafflecopper posted:

No. Should I?

e: Actually I'm not sure you're the person I should be taking lit recommendations from

I haven’t seen the show but the book is phenomenal - it does a tremendous job with world building and characterization. Atwood described it as being less as a feminist dystopia and more about "a study of power, and how it operates and how it deforms or shapes the people who are living within [totalitarian] regimes.”

So if that wets your whistle go for it! The book is only 300 pages or so.

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer
I mean, there was a lot of talk regarding The Handmaid's Tale last year when it premiered. it's fantastic but goddamn depressing.

I definitely recommend it if you have the stomach for it but I wouldn't recommend binging it. Go play with a puppy for a day after an episode.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Wafflecopper posted:

No. Should I?

e: Actually I'm not sure you're the person I should be taking lit recommendations from

It's a pretty important book and a really good one to boot, and my name was randomly changed by an admin.

Norse Code
Mar 10, 2007

DON'T AWOO - $350 PENALTY

I just listened to the audiobook they did special after the show and Claire Danes reads it, and there are cool extras at the end, it was pretty good!

pigdog
Apr 23, 2004

by Smythe
I felt Handmaid's Tale was awkward and unbelievable in some aspects, really good in some aspects, and didn't go far enough in some aspects.

The idea of uber-patriarchal society seems to be borne of a sort of hidden fear of men thats probably a female thing, and really seems to resonate with the female audience, but as a dude I just can't relate. I don't know anyone, who knows anyone, who would wish for that type of society. It just doesn't make that much sense, and runs counter to what most men would genuinely want. Granted the infertility epidemic would be a huge trigger that might plausibly change attitudes. At the same time, in actual wartime, lawless situations many real world women have it much worse than in that particular dystopia, so in some sense the show doesn't go far enough.

The "training" or "breaking" the handmaidens was eeriely well done and of course Aunt Doyd is fantastic as Aunt Lydia. At the same time, they slightly brushed with, but kind of dropped the ball with regards to spies and snitching within the ranks of the handmaidens. That's a huge part of totalitarianism: you never know who could be a spy or a snitch or persuaded to talk, which really complicates resistance. Wished they had developed that aspect more.

As a TV series I thought it was pretty slow paced, perhaps too slow. YMMV.

pigdog fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Feb 13, 2018

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
pssst our current society is already an uber-patriarchal society

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


pigdog posted:

The idea of uber-patriarchal society seems to be borne of a sort of hidden fear of men thats probably a female thing, and really seems to resonate with the female audience, but as a dude I just can't relate.

:psyduck:

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

Escobarbarian posted:

pssst our current society is already an uber-patriarchal society

Are you asking for a new term for "uber-er" here? Or is your argument that Handmaid's Tale presents a society equivalent to our own?

SweetMercifulCrap!
Jan 28, 2012
Lipstick Apathy

Solice Kirsk posted:

Binged through Big Mouth since I got sick this weekend. It would have been pretty good if the monsters weren't in it at all.

A while back I watched the first episode and hated it. It is particularly jarring, mean-spirited and off-putting. I decided to give it another shot and now I think it's decent after the first episode, but you're absolutely right, it would be much improved without them.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
They're terrible. They just suck the humor out of any scene they're in. Nothing was added and everything was lost to include them. Semi-pornographic animated Wonder Years would have been better if they just had internal monologues instead of Will and Maya attempting and failing to be obnoxiously funny 100% of the time.

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
The biggest WTF moment of Big Mouth happened after I finished the series and was reading a bit about it's production.

Oswald from the Drew Carrey Show isn't the Monster. Y'know, the "2 chicks at the same time." guy from Office Space? Wasn't him.



It's just Kroll doing the voice.

Escobarbarian posted:

hahaha that’s actually Nick Kroll doing the monster as well. it does sound a lot like Arnett though
:hfive:

bring back old gbs fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Feb 14, 2018

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer

Solice Kirsk posted:

They're terrible. They just suck the humor out of any scene they're in. Nothing was added and everything was lost to include them. Semi-pornographic animated Wonder Years would have been better if they just had internal monologues instead of Will and Maya attempting and failing to be obnoxiously funny 100% of the time.

hahaha that’s actually Nick Kroll doing the monster as well. it does sound a lot like Arnett though

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
lol I’m pretty sure Arnett and Diedrich Bader have both voiced Batman too. I guess it’s just the “funny Batman” voice.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
:aaaaa: No way.

I also wonder if Nick Kroll is actually good at basketball or if he just put that in there to live vicariously through his fictional childhood self.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

Escobarbarian posted:

lol I’m pretty sure Arnett and Diedrich Bader have both voiced Batman too. I guess it’s just the “funny Batman” voice.

Bader was the voice in Batman: The Brave and the Bold.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
Also it may be the only time Jason Mantzoukas has had a character in anything that I didn't get sick of after like 4 episodes.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
Mantzoukas is the only guy who can credibly give pathos to a character who marries his gently caress-pillow.

ChickenBuckets
Sep 18, 2017

LooseChanj posted:

Star Trek TOS, now working my way through the disco-tastic animated series. I don't care if it's not cannon. :c00lbert:

Watching TNG, and then going to hit up TOS, but I have a feeling I am going to be disappointed.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

pigdog posted:

I felt Handmaid's Tale was awkward and unbelievable in some aspects, really good in some aspects, and didn't go far enough in some aspects.

The idea of uber-patriarchal society seems to be borne of a sort of hidden fear of men thats probably a female thing, and really seems to resonate with the female audience, but as a dude I just can't relate. I don't know anyone, who knows anyone, who would wish for that type of society. It just doesn't make that much sense, and runs counter to what most men would genuinely want. Granted the infertility epidemic would be a huge trigger that might plausibly change attitudes. At the same time, in actual wartime, lawless situations many real world women have it much worse than in that particular dystopia, so in some sense the show doesn't go far enough.

The "training" or "breaking" the handmaidens was eeriely well done and of course Aunt Doyd is fantastic as Aunt Lydia. At the same time, they slightly brushed with, but kind of dropped the ball with regards to spies and snitching within the ranks of the handmaidens. That's a huge part of totalitarianism: you never know who could be a spy or a snitch or persuaded to talk, which really complicates resistance. Wished they had developed that aspect more.

As a TV series I thought it was pretty slow paced, perhaps too slow. YMMV.

:same:

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

Is it weird that the only reason I want to watch Revenents is to see how they work in that awesome Mogwai soundtrack? (That album is loving incredible)

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
You should watch it. The soundtrack works with the show very, very well.

Nerdietalk
Dec 23, 2014

Starting Designated Survivor, about four or so episodes in. I keep hearing it takes a really conspiracy thriller tone later on, but I am digging these West Wing vibes from this early stuff and having a lot of fun with it so far. Is that stuff still present as it keeps going or does at least this conspiracy stuff get better?

isaboo
Nov 11, 2002

Muay Buok
ขอให้โชคดี
Hot drat you guys need to kick my rear end and call me motherfucker for not watching The Expanse sooner than the last few days. I'm not quite through S1 one but this is extremely my poo poo as they say. I watched Ep1 when it aired but it didn't grab me; I saw the praise it got in the forum but I just never gave it another shot. Been sick the past few days so I tried again and once I got to Ep4 I was hooked.

My wife and a few of my kids love it as well and Wifey even said she'd leave me for Shoreh Aghdashloo's voice alone and I can't say I'd blame her. And those costumes. Wow.

How is S2 compared to S1? I don't want spoilers but does it hold up?

Also tried out a couple of Dark Matter episodes and it is fun. It has Roger Cross so yeah gonna watch this too!

isaboo fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Feb 15, 2018

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




If you dont get too invested in characters vs. a grand galactic conspiracy S2 holds up.

I watched both seasons and cant wait for 3. Dark Matter started out strong for me then kinda petered out but every series does except loving Deadwood.

NeuroticLich
Oct 30, 2012

Grimey Drawer
I just finished binging through The Expanse as well. It took me a couple of false starts of watching the first few episodes, liking it, but then not finishing and starting over months down the line. Once I kept with it and they got to Ceres though, poo poo kicked off and didn’t let up. I’m excited to see where season 3 goes, and even considering picking up the books and reading through those.

Since I’m already on a sci-fi kick, I think I’m gonna finally sit down and watch 12 Monkeys next, since I’ve heard it’s really good.

tetrapyloctomy
Feb 18, 2003

Okay -- you talk WAY too fast.
Nap Ghost

Hot Dog Day #82 posted:

I haven’t seen the show but the book is phenomenal - it does a tremendous job with world building and characterization. Atwood described it as being less as a feminist dystopia and more about "a study of power, and how it operates and how it deforms or shapes the people who are living within [totalitarian] regimes.”

So if that wets your whistle go for it! The book is only 300 pages or so.

The series is fantastic, in many ways not despite it diverging from the source text but because it does. Atwood had a lot of input and will be involved with the second season as well. It's definitely worth watching.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
The episode focusing on the husband was a pretty big misstep though

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer
I wouldn’t characterize it as a misstep but it certainly wasn’t as tight or carried on the same kind of horror the main storylines did.

I get why it’s there but it wasn’t terrible. Just not up to the rest of the show.

savesthedayrocks
Mar 18, 2004

nerdman42 posted:

Starting Designated Survivor, about four or so episodes in. I keep hearing it takes a really conspiracy thriller tone later on, but I am digging these West Wing vibes from this early stuff and having a lot of fun with it so far. Is that stuff still present as it keeps going or does at least this conspiracy stuff get better?

Yeah, all of season 1 and everything I’ve seen in 2 keeps the same story line.

It also carries a “crisis of the week” story line, so if that bugs you it can be grading.

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 39 days!
Recently caught up on The Expanse season 2 and thoroughly enjoyed it. Such a great series.

Also started watching The Orville, and as a fan of old-school Star Trek, it's doing a nice job of scratching the itch for sci-fi that isn't always grim or dystopian. It's basically sci-fi comfort food. :v:

Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005
In the last season of Turn: Washington's Spies. It's a pretty solid show, I'm surprised I rarely see it mentioned.

Are there any other historical dramas I might like?

From memory I've seen:

Peaky Blinders
Boardwalk Empire
Rome
Deadwood
Godless
Taboo
The Crown
Vikings
Last Kingdom
Frontier

Probably some more I'm forgetting.

Drunk Driver Dad fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Feb 20, 2018

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Drunk Driver Dad posted:

In the last season of Turn: Washington's Spies. It's a pretty solid show, I'm surprised I rarely see it mentioned.

Are there any other historical dramas I might like?

From memory I've seen:

Peaky Blinders
Boardwalk Empire
Rome
Deadwood
Godless
Taboo
The Crown
Vikings
Last Kingdom

Probably some more I'm forgetting.

I, Clavdivs

Nerdietalk
Dec 23, 2014

Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005
Is that the 70s one?

Also by historical, I just mean any period drama I guess. Doesn't have to be accurate or realistic. I liked Penny Dreadful as well, until partway through the last season. What about that new Frankenstein Chronicles show that popped up on Netflix?

edit: I've seen Spartacus, forgot about that one.

Drunk Driver Dad fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Feb 20, 2018

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Check out Spartacus but try to make it past the first 4 episodes. I also enjoy The White Queen starring Rebecca Ferguson and The Waif from Game of Thrones. It has a sequel season (with a whole new cast) called The White Princess but it's not as good.

Mu Zeta fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Feb 20, 2018

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Drunk Driver Dad posted:

Is that the 70s one?

Also by historical, I just mean any period drama I guess. Doesn't have to be accurate or realistic. I liked Penny Dreadful as well, until partway through the last season. What about that new Frankenstein Chronicles show that popped up on Netflix?

edit: I've seen Spartacus, forgot about that one.

Ripper Street.

EvidenceBasedQuack
Aug 15, 2015

A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity
I refuse to believe Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell is not historically accurate.

Currently binging Crazy Ex-girlfriend. It's possibly the first time I can tolerate songs on tv shows.

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Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Drunk Driver Dad posted:

Is that the 70s one?
Yeah. In terms of history it follows on pretty closely from the end of Rome, although the two shows have fundamentally different portrayals of Octavian / Augustus.

It's not much more than a play that was filmed but the cast and writing are amazing.

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