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So, let us not forget about Michael Fassbender who seemingly lucked out because the claims against him came before he was famous enough for people to take notice: https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-shocking-abuse-allegations-against-michael-fassbender?via=twitter_page Also, Rose McGowan commented on her former manager's suicide and did so with a total lack of awareness, but here's a general piece of Jill Messick and the sad impact of online hate mobs: https://www.thedailybeast.com/was-mean-girls-producer-jill-messick-shamed-into-suicide
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DrVenkman posted:Also, Rose McGowan commented on her former manager's suicide and did so with a total lack of awareness, but here's a general piece of Jill Messick and the sad impact of online hate mobs: https://www.thedailybeast.com/was-mean-girls-producer-jill-messick-shamed-into-suicide Here's another really good article I read a while back on Internet Public Shaming Mobs. It's a fascinating retelling of the events surrounding that one infamous woman who told the Africa AIDS joke on twitter.
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-Blackadder- posted:Here's another really good article I read a while back on Internet Public Shaming Mobs. It's a fascinating retelling of the events surrounding that one infamous woman who told the Africa AIDS joke on twitter. the full book version of this (So You've Been Publicly Shamed) is a pretty good and quick read
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-Blackadder- posted:Here's another really good article I read a while back on Internet Public Shaming Mobs. It's a fascinating retelling of the events surrounding that one infamous woman who told the Africa AIDS joke on twitter. I've always found this grimly funny because her life was "ruined" because she was in PR, and an executive no less. The whole incident climaxing with Ted Talks and poo poo like that is a perfect illustration of how useless and parasitic public relations is.
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I think the Michael Haneke article should be read before you guys judge him. the Austrian filmmaker said there is no question that “any form of rape or coercion is punishable… But this hysterical pre-judgment which is spreading now, I find absolutely disgusting. And I don’t want to know how many of these accusations related to incidents 20 or 30 years ago are primarily statements that have little to do with sexual assault.” allowed he would probably be referred to as “Haneke, the male chauvinist pig” after making the comments in the interview. He qualified his statements saying the current debate is disturbing because of “the blind rage that’s not based on facts and the prejudices that destroy the lives of people whose crime has not been proved in numerous cases. People are simply assassinated in the media, ruining lives and careers.” He noted that Nagisa Ôshima’s film In The Realm Of The Senses, which he calls “one of the deepest and most profound on the subject of sexuality,” could not be made today “because the funding institutions would not allow this, anticipating obedience to this terror. Suspected actors are cut out of movies and TV series in order not to lose (audiences). Where are we living? In the new Middle Ages?” Haneke stressed that “this has nothing to do with the fact that every sexual assault and all violence — whether against women or men — should be condemned and punished. But the witch hunt should be left in the Middle Ages.”
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Still silly.
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"People will stop making movies with sex in them anymore for fear of being persecuted" lmao do all these guys read from the same script?
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That's such a European sensibility, so weird to be concerned that people won't find rape on film sexy anymore or whatever.
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jet sanchEz posted:I think the Michael Haneke article should be read before you guys judge him.
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exquisite tea posted:"People will stop making movies with sex in them anymore for fear of being persecuted" lmao do all these guys read from the same script? They do understand the difference between film and reality, right? Right???
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Exactly how many Hollywood actors have had their lives ruined by false accusations since Fatty Arbuckle?exquisite tea posted:"People will stop making movies with sex in them anymore for fear of being persecuted" lmao do all these guys read from the same script? It's not like the sexual assaults were occurring during sex scenes. It's poo poo like "Come here and undress in the sauna so I can gently caress you." Unless you're Marlon Brando or Tommy Wiseau.
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I really don't trust Michael Haneke on this subject in the slightest. I know this is subjective, but I feel like his films are deeply suffused with a particular sort of misogynistic subtext that's a bit more subtle and intellectually-based than most of the misogyny one sees in American films, say. Mostly I'm speaking in reference to The Hunt, which is actually a movie that I do like on some level, but is kind of like... Well... Actually, the film is really quite apropos to this discussion, and in my opinion expatiates how Haneke views accusations of sexual improprieties against a respectable everyman in the community. The most terrifying point he makes (I thought) was that he does not really seem to feel that it *matters* whether the accuser is actually telling the truth, because (Haneke posits) the man in question suffers a great deal of injustice regardless, and people accused of sexual crimes (especially against children) will be ostracized and be ruined forever even if the accusation is false and proven false. It's a troubling hypothesis he makes, because there is of course a degree of truth there, but he is so consumed with the plight of the poor innocent white man that the film doesn't even really allow for characters other than the white men to have a legitimate emotional reality - instead, the women are more like conspiring antagonists in the film. Anyway, I'll shut up. My only point is that after seeing that film I cannot help but scoff at anything Haneke could possibly say on this subject.
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chitoryu12 posted:Exactly how many Hollywood actors have had their lives ruined by false accusations since Fatty Arbuckle? In fact, after some scandals, many actors have gone on to be humongous stars. Rob Lowe, for example. Even that loving degenerate Tom Sizemore has had a million chances to "ruin his life" and it hasn't taken. kaworu posted:I really don't trust Michael Haneke on this subject in the slightest. I know this is subjective, but I feel like his films are deeply suffused with a particular sort of misogynistic subtext that's a bit more subtle and intellectually-based than most of the misogyny one sees in American films, say. Mostly I'm speaking in reference to The Hunt, which is actually a movie that I do like on some level, but is kind of like... Well... The Hunt was most definitely not a Haneke movie.
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kaworu posted:I really don't trust Michael Haneke on this subject in the slightest. I know this is subjective, but I feel like his films are deeply suffused with a particular sort of misogynistic subtext that's a bit more subtle and intellectually-based than most of the misogyny one sees in American films, say. Mostly I'm speaking in reference to The Hunt, which is actually a movie that I do like on some level, but is kind of like... Well... Haneke didn't direct that movie and it is also based on a case in Norway where the lives of seven people were ruined because of false accusations of sexual assault.
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It's also a bit odd to take away "poor white male" from that film anyway.
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DrVenkman posted:Also, Rose McGowan commented on her former manager's suicide and did so with a total lack of awareness, but here's a general piece of Jill Messick and the sad impact of online hate mobs: https://www.thedailybeast.com/was-mean-girls-producer-jill-messick-shamed-into-suicide -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Feb 13, 2018 |
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exquisite tea posted:"People will stop making movies with sex in them anymore for fear of being persecuted" lmao do all these guys read from the same script? Such a loving weird takeaway from the #metoo thing. Literally no one has called for toning down sexual content in movies in connection to this.
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# ? Feb 13, 2018 20:54 |
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Haneke is a terrific filmmaker but he’s specifically devoted to a misanthropic worldview and I don’t really need to hear his thoughts on real life events if it’s not by way of a scathing, bitter film which at least can exist on its own as a work of art.
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jet sanchEz posted:I think the Michael Haneke article should be read before you guys judge him. Oh for gently caress's sake. The 'We couldn't make X film now' thing is just as stupid here as it is when it's used to defend homophobia and racism. Substantially dumber, since this isn't about film making. gently caress Haneke. Also, lol at invoking the middle ages, an age notoriously down on sexual violence and violence in general. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Feb 14, 2018 |
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He's basically Ruggero Deodato at this point.
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# ? Feb 14, 2018 01:01 |
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kaworu posted:I really don't trust Michael Haneke on this subject in the slightest. I know this is subjective, but I feel like his films are deeply suffused with a particular sort of misogynistic subtext that's a bit more subtle and intellectually-based than most of the misogyny one sees in American films, say. Mostly I'm speaking in reference to The Hunt, which is actually a movie that I do like on some level, but is kind of like... Well... you buried the lede here: michael haneke has been making films under the pseudonym "thomas vinterberg!"
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kaworu posted:I really don't trust Michael Haneke on this subject in the slightest. I know this is subjective, but I feel like his films are deeply suffused with a particular sort of misogynistic subtext that's a bit more subtle and intellectually-based than most of the misogyny one sees in American films, say. Mostly I'm speaking in reference to The Hunt, which is actually a movie that I do like on some level, but is kind of like... Well... It is really funny that you can read so deeply into a directors mind and not even have the right director.
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R. Guyovich posted:you buried the lede here: michael haneke has been making films under the pseudonym "thomas vinterberg!" Vinterberg also made The Celebration, which portrays the ostrasization of an accused (and guilty) rapist as a good thing and is more concerned with his victims’ pain then the rapist himself.
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# ? Feb 14, 2018 09:49 |
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Oh man Festen is incredible.
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Timeless Appeal posted:The problem is that the whole thing is a chicken and egg thing. I don't believe, for one second, that Hollywood did not know the extent of any of the accussed's behavior. And I still see them standing up at private dinners and clapping for Dustin Hoffman. I don't care if they clap for him in particular, but be that way in public, too.
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Problematic Pigeon posted:Vinterberg also made The Celebration, which portrays the ostrasization of an accused (and guilty) rapist as a good thing and is more concerned with his victims’ pain then the rapist himself. Perhaps even more ironic is that the inspiration for the movie came from a person recounting the events from their life on a radio show that Vinterberg listened to. The person's story later turned out to be a complete fabrication and the person, a mental patient.
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Very interesting (and melancholy) article on Brendan Fraser and his absence from big Hollywood films: https://www.gq.com/story/what-ever-happened-to-brendan-fraser The HFPA claim they're investigating Fraser's assault allegations against their former president, Philip Berk: https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/hfpa-investigating-brendan-fraser-sexual-assault-claims/
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# ? Feb 25, 2018 09:08 |
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I love and miss Fraser. I was really upset to hear the news when this story broke. He seems like a really fuckin' nice dude.
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Don't know if it has been posted before but Gabriel Byrne said some nice things about the #metoo movement I don't have Twitter so sorrys for the ontd post https://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/109635359.html#comments
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The Weinstein Company has filed for bankruptcy after sales talks collapsed: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-43195327
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AceOfFlames posted:The Weinstein Company has filed for bankruptcy after sales talks collapsed: I just don't understand, does this mean they were financially hosed before this blew up?
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I can imagine this is a way of torching the place by shuffling around some assets, making it legally look like the company with the poisonous name is bankrupt, and move the assets over to a new company. And while I'm a non-expert speculator, maybe make safe some $$$ from lawsuits aimed at the production company instead of just the man?
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Rhyno posted:I just don't understand, does this mean they were financially hosed before this blew up? But the New York Attorney General's very recent lawsuit against the Weinstein Company basically opens the company to an indefinite period of investigation and torpedoes all chances of a sale. Nobody will do business with them now so they can't survive without a sale. Ergo bankruptcy.
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esperterra posted:I love and miss Fraser. I was really upset to hear the news when this story broke. He seems like a really fuckin' nice dude. It’s another sad example of how actors and actresses are seen as disposable. Frasier has been in the business for a long time, and showed the ability to deliver range from broad comedy to contemplative drama. He anchored a successful action adventure franchise. But at some point he got shuffled in the deck, and his visibility dropped. One of the most grotesque things that has come to light in a post-Weinstein world is just how real the concept of Hollywood Kingmakers is. A small group of people are able to lift careers to superstardom, and just as easily cut the legs out from under them.
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# ? Feb 26, 2018 20:08 |
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Brendan Fraser also had multiple injuries from his action roles that affected his ability to get work and he is on the hook for 900,000 dollars a year in Alimony and Child support.
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Bolingbroke posted:Very interesting (and melancholy) article on Brendan Fraser and his absence from big Hollywood films: https://www.gq.com/story/what-ever-happened-to-brendan-fraser And of course James Woods jumps onto this dog pile saying this agent is the one that blackballed him from Hollywood. Not because the agent harassed him, Woods is way too masculine for that to happen, but because Woods told Berk that he wouldn't vote for Hillary. https://m.newstimes.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/James-Woods-Joins-Brendan-Fraser-by-Sharing-His-12657010.php
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Hollismason posted:Brendan Fraser also had multiple injuries from his action roles that affected his ability to get work and he is on the hook for 900,000 dollars a year in Alimony and Child support. Holy poo poo, does he have 12 children or something?
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# ? Feb 26, 2018 21:58 |
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He has 3, I think.
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# ? Feb 26, 2018 21:59 |
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Good lord, it takes 300K to raise a kid per year?
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esperterra posted:He has 3, I think. Yeah, but the rate was set in the mid-00's when he was still making decent money off of Mummy and Journey to the ... residuals.
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