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Old Binsby
Jun 27, 2014

Rick posted:

I'm incompetent and do not want to run SBS anymore.

Until I started reading this thread I wasn't even aware SBS was still a thing. Goondolences.

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Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost
I've never seen or used sbs. Whats special about it

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Small Business Server


It's like

Like


Go look at the features it allows and with what kind of concurrency. Then realize that most 10-40 person shitbird operations expects to run one of those and that's it for their infrastructure

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


One of the more popular setups for SBS was lovely Tower OEM Server with two USB 2.0 hubs attached, each full of lovely Buffalo storage devices.

People were furious when volume extension across multiple drives no longer was allowed as of... 2012r2 or something.

Terminal
Feb 17, 2003
The Void

Methanar posted:

I've never seen or used sbs. Whats special about it

Take all the roles & products that Microsoft normally advises segmenting between VM's / servers. Now mash them all together on whatever low-end Dell/Lenovo/HP server the MSP sold them running everything on a single RAID5 array.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


If you don't know about it then don't look, it's like staring into the ark.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Terminal posted:

Take all the roles & products that Microsoft normally advises segmenting between VM's / servers. Now mash them all together on whatever low-end Dell/Lenovo/HP server the MSP sold them running everything on a single RAID5 array.

Raid 5 would be set up if the customer was "aware of the need for backups"

Old Binsby
Jun 27, 2014

Terminal posted:

Take all the roles & products that Microsoft normally advises segmenting between VM's / servers. Now mash them all together on whatever low-end Dell/Lenovo/HP server the MSP sold them running everything on a single RAID5 array.

It's a wonderful product and easy to implement too. Take any AD/Windows Server/Exchange/Sharepoint performance or security guideline you know of. Do the exact opposite. Eventually, you'll have an SBS up and running. Collocate domain controllers with Exchange, stick a sharepoint farm in there, make sure it will run on any hardware post- 80386 and last but not least do everything via wizards. No need to let those pesky administrators have shell access

(disclaimer: it has been a while since I last saw an SBS server so disregard this if any of the above has been fixed)

(I'm pretty sure none of the above has been improved on though :negative:)

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches
dont ever presume also that you can do things the way you are supposed to in proper winserver either. if you dont use the fun little SBS wizards for everything it can and will bork up everything.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?
re: SBS

Officially Active Directory, DHCP, and a few other roles require that write caching be disabled.

Officially Exchange requires that write caching is enabled.

SBS puts all this together on one box, and throws in SQL Server because why the hell not.

And of course as noted basically every SBS installation is on the cheapest Optiplex-rebadged-as-a-Poweredge Dell sold at the time.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

wolrah posted:

Optiplex-rebadged-as-a-Poweredge

This just gave me a really painful flashback of a DC/webserver/database server/app server all in one box that was sitting on the floor of the basement of a water pumping facility.

Luckily the building flooded and solved the problem.

Digital_Jesus
Feb 10, 2011

Much like your first sexual encounter, youll never forget the first time you were touched by SBS.


E: or the time you inherited a network from that one dude that went from SBS to Server standard but didnt build a clean domain and just joined the new DC to the network and decommed the SBS server, leaving your AD configuration permafucked for its lifespan.

Digital_Jesus fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Feb 14, 2018

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches

Digital_Jesus posted:

Much like your first sexual encounter, youll never forget the first time you were touched by SBS.


E: or the time you inherited a network from that one dude that went from SBS to Server standard but didnt build a clean domain and just joined the new DC to the network and decommed the SBS server, leaving your AD configuration permafucked for its lifespan.

lol easier to just rebuild from goddamn scratch.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Install SBS, run Microsoft's Best Practices Analyser, lol at all the warnings.

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011



I'm doing a migration for a customer next month where I get to kill an SBS box. :unsmigghh:

Dans Macabre
Apr 24, 2004


Digital_Jesus posted:

Much like your first sexual encounter, youll never forget the first time you were touched by SBS.


E: or the time you inherited a network from that one dude that went from SBS to Server standard but didnt build a clean domain and just joined the new DC to the network and decommed the SBS server, leaving your AD configuration permafucked for its lifespan.

That MyBusiness OU :getin:

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches

Kazinsal posted:

I'm doing a migration for a customer next month where I get to kill an SBS box. :unsmigghh:

Nice.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
The company i've joined doesn't have an SBS box. It has a HP ProLiant.

It's running hyper V, DHCP (not configured when i arrived, the router was doing that), DNS, print server, file services and AD services.

When I saw it I just kind of nodded and went "ok".

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

quote:

DHCP (not configured when i arrived, the router was doing that)

And that worked?! Thats like the first rule of SBS, DHCP on the server.

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Old Binsby posted:

Until I started reading this thread I wasn't even aware SBS was still a thing. Goondolences.

I'm lucky enough to not be using it now, and I did well enough at my last job (hiring the right team, finding good third party support . . . I'm really better with the administrative part of running an IT department rather than being the actual IT department) in growing the tech that I was able to move them past it.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?

redeyes posted:

And that worked?! Thats like the first rule of SBS, DHCP on the server.

It's been working for 3 years and i'll be migrating it next week once things have calmed down.

This week, the DNS stopped working, the router fell over (settings not backed up), a disc failed on the server and we had this weird as gently caress port forwarding problem that ended up being "resolved" by physically unplugging the network card and plugging it back in. I'm not in the mood to change it quite yet.

Worth noting:I am the new guy, I did not set this up like this.

dogstile fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Feb 16, 2018

Dans Macabre
Apr 24, 2004


I have pi-hole doing my dhcp :smug:

Dans Macabre
Apr 24, 2004


(at home)

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

i hosted a great goon meet and all i got was this lousy avatar
Grimey Drawer

NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

I have pi-hole doing my dhcp :smug:

I need to get this set up. I have the pi, just haven't gotten off my rear end and done it.

Dans Macabre
Apr 24, 2004


I put it on an old optiplex.

It is no substitute for uBO but it’s great for times when ubo isn’t available eg my wife refuses to install it, iPad...

Dans Macabre
Apr 24, 2004


It also helps quantify the porn consumption in my household.

Beefstorm
Jul 20, 2010

"It's not the size of the tower. It's the motion of the airwaves."
Lipstick Apathy

NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

It also helps quantify the porn consumption in my household.

Data gathering on porn habits? Now that's my kind of product.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Well do I have the data set for you

:nws: https://www.pornhub.com/insights/category/stats :nws:

I mean the content is probably work safe other than the title but you don't need it showing up in your browsing logs.

Dans Macabre
Apr 24, 2004


Beefstorm posted:

Data gathering on porn habits? Now that's my kind of product.

I mean it's a dns server so it's just tracking dns hits. It'll show how often I go to extrakinkyscatandnecrophilia.com but not which subcategories in there.

Beefstorm
Jul 20, 2010

"It's not the size of the tower. It's the motion of the airwaves."
Lipstick Apathy

NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

I mean it's a dns server so it's just tracking dns hits. It'll show how often I go to extrakinkyscatandnecrophilia.com but not which subcategories in there.

Boooo. That is NOT my kind of product.

I need to know if my household members are more into scat or dead people...

In other news, what's everyone's thoughts on System Center in the context of this thread.

Dans Macabre
Apr 24, 2004


Beefstorm posted:

In other news, what's everyone's thoughts on System Center in the context of this thread.

I've never used it but my impression has always been "Too Enterprise For My Clients"

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

I've never used it but my impression has always been "Too Enterprise For My Clients"

I’m at a small enterprise company and it’s still too enterprise for us.


MDT is still worth using for deployments.

Other stuff, use PDQ

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

We have SCCM with our licensing and we use it strictly for AV and imaging. Everything else I use PDQ.

Digital_Jesus
Feb 10, 2011

NevergirlsOFFICIAL posted:

I've never used it but my impression has always been "Too Enterprise For My Clients"

SCCM owns and anyone that has to manage automated software deployments and workstation imaging should look at it, its not that expensive. Plus you get all the remote access and reporting poo poo too if you have a need for a lot of remote helpdesk or compliance.

Also personally I feel its a lot easier to roll out, configure, and manage than most other rmms and it has a better success rate in actually working vs other products ive had to administrate.

E: SCCM for me at several clients saves them from having to double or in some cases triple the number of support hours they would need for us to manage their networks without it. @ $30/pc/yr its p. reasonably priced too.

Digital_Jesus fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Feb 21, 2018

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

We are licensed for SCCM, I've tried to set it up and I can't work it out, managed to get the client deployed to one device and can't work out why it doesn't work when I do the same steps on another device. Going to have another look at PDQ because "too enterprise for me" seems to apply to me too. I really hoped SCCM would help me tame Windows 10 too.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Uh oh we broke the thread

Edit: Fixed?

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Stoca Zola posted:

We are licensed for SCCM, I've tried to set it up and I can't work it out, managed to get the client deployed to one device and can't work out why it doesn't work when I do the same steps on another device. Going to have another look at PDQ because "too enterprise for me" seems to apply to me too. I really hoped SCCM would help me tame Windows 10 too.

PDQ Inventory is pretty great.

We hired a consultant to setup our SCCM environment. I'd rather pay the guy who's done it 30+ times than spend the days or weeks figuring it out myself.

Digital_Jesus
Feb 10, 2011

Stoca Zola posted:

We are licensed for SCCM, I've tried to set it up and I can't work it out, managed to get the client deployed to one device and can't work out why it doesn't work when I do the same steps on another device. Going to have another look at PDQ because "too enterprise for me" seems to apply to me too. I really hoped SCCM would help me tame Windows 10 too.

Only thing that "tames" windows 10 is having enterprise licensing so you can actually turn half of it off.

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011



Digital_Jesus posted:

Only thing that "tames" windows 10 is having enterprise licensing so you can actually turn half of it off.

To the surprise of exactly no one including the people at the tautology club, the workstation edition of an OS is the workstation edition of that OS.

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TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches
sooo where does windows 10 professional for workstations fit into that

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